[Micky C]

I don't think there's any real correlation between success and height. Obviously excluding fields which require height such as basketball.

[Fox]

Height is often consideren beauty, and there is a correlation beetween beauty and success as far I know.

[Micky C]

Fox, on 19 January 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:

Height is often consideren beauty, and there is a correlation beetween beauty and success as far I know.

That's stretching things a bit thin in my books. Despite all these weak links... let me point out 2 things.

1) Just because there is a correlation, does NOT mean that the two factors are linked in any way.
2) If me and another guy go to an interview at an engineering company, are they going to employ the better looking one (obviously me) or the one with the better credentials?

[Hank]

Micky C, on 19 January 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

That's stretching things a bit thin in my books. Despite all these weak links... let me point out 2 things.

1) Just because there is a correlation, does NOT mean that the two factors are linked in any way.
2) If me and another guy go to an interview at an engineering company, are they going to employ the better looking one (obviously me) or the one with the better credentials?

The better looking one. Keep in mind, your credentials are usually thoroughly checked before an interview. Even so technically prohibited, two with the same sharp mind, hey the pretty boy/girl will get the job.

[Lunick]

I think I read somewhere that the first 10 seconds of a Job Interview determines if you get the job or not.

[Fox]

If that was true, why would they spent so much money is interviews longer than 10 seconds?

[Jeff]

Lunick, on 19 January 2013 - 10:56 PM, said:

I think I read somewhere that the first 10 seconds of a Job Interview determines if you get the job or not.

Not sure if an interview begins before or after the handshake, otherwise, a good handshake and eye contact and it's probably a smooth sail from there.

Perhaps it's more the question "why do you want to work here?" or "why should we hire you?"

Some people have not gotten a job because they don't answer the question properly.

You're supposed to talk about stuff such as "I'm reliable, dependable, self-motivated, etc". Maybe not for all job interviews, but someone probably wouldn't answer it as "I want to be a [insert job title you're applying for]"

I used the first method, and I nailed the interview. Was a simple retail job. Nothing fancy. Perhaps more skilled jobs require a lot more than what I said.

[Kathy]

Micky C, on 19 January 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

better looking one (obviously me)

Would you post a photo then?

Lunick, on 19 January 2013 - 10:56 PM, said:

I think I read somewhere that the first 10 seconds of a Job Interview determines if you get the job or not.

Before even asking couple of questions? I doubt it.

Jeff, on 19 January 2013 - 11:59 PM, said:

Perhaps it's more the question "why do you want to work here?" or "why should we hire you?"

Do they ask these questions a lot? Because these are the stupidiest questions to ask at the interview. I want to work because of the money and it's not me they should ask about why should they hire someone. Although, maybe because my job is strictly skill based so I should be evaluated by answering direct questions based on my knowledge.

[Lunick]

Burnett, on 20 January 2013 - 12:38 AM, said:

Would you post a photo then?

He has... of him and his sweaty armpits.

[Micky C]

Burnett, on 20 January 2013 - 12:38 AM, said:

Do they ask these questions a lot? Because these are the stupidiest questions to ask at the interview. I want to work because of the money and it's not me they should ask about why should they hire someone. Although, maybe because my job is strictly skill based so I should be evaluated by answering direct questions based on my knowledge.

Yeah they do ask those questions, and things like "where do you see yourself in 5 years" or whatever.

You see it's not just about hiring a person who has great technical skills, but often they need good social and organizational skills as well. Plus, hiring a person for a job is a company investment. They want to find out that when they hire you, you actually stick around and do the job. If the company thinks that you just want a job until something better comes along, or to get work experience so you can get a better resume and go to another company, they're probably not going to hire you, not when there's probably quite a few other qualified people who will actually stick around (I guess I'm talking about loyalty).
Hiring people is expensive; you have to pay for advertising, you need to take a lot of time to actually look through the applicants, and often you need to train up the new employees, so it's best to avoid hiring periods as much as possible.

@Lunick... I'm going to kill you. Besides, I've been hitting the gym since then. Less fat, more muscle

[Lunick]

Micky C, on 20 January 2013 - 02:32 AM, said:

@Lunick... I'm going to kill you. Besides, I've been hitting the gym since then. Less fat, more muscle

I've been waiting. You didn't look fat before?

[Kathy]

How long should you "stick around" then? Loyalty my ass. Company doesn't care about you.

[Micky C]

Lunick, on 20 January 2013 - 02:45 AM, said:

I've been waiting. You didn't look fat before?

I put on weight around exam times for a variety of reasons

Burnett, on 20 January 2013 - 04:06 AM, said:

How long should you "stick around" then? Loyalty my ass. Company doesn't care about you.

But they do care about the time, effort and money put into finding and training you, so they want you to stick around for a while, especially if you have fantastic qualifications and do the job well. I'm not talking about cashiers at super markets, I'm talking about intellectual jobs which require many years of study to be eligible for.

[High Treason]

I just ordered DNF. The Balls of Steel edition... Probably a bit late, mind, but at least it's something to do, should be fun.

[Lunick]

High Treason, on 20 January 2013 - 05:49 AM, said:

I just ordered DNF. The Balls of Steel edition... Probably a bit late, mind, but at least it's something to do, should be fun.

I want to find a really cheap one somewhere :X

[High Treason]

Mine was only about £18 on eBay. The Sims 3 cost more than that and I ordered it the same day.

[Master Fibbles]

In job interviews, the handshake matters and how your present yourself matters. If you slouch in your chair and don't make good eye contact with the other person, it sends a sense that you don't care. If you are dressed nice and have a good hand shake those first 10 seconds will be the difference between being hired and not.

People who are brought in for interviews tend to be pretty evenly matched on paper; that is why they are bringing you in for an interview. Obviously, some positions the interview is where they hire on the spot, but many real jobs require a call back after the interview. They compare resumes and cover letters before inviting people in for interviews. Depending on how many people they want to interview, it could be just one round of less than 10 people brought in for interviews (this is, of course, after the possibility of a phone interview with more people). I've heard of it being between 3 people who are brought in for an interview. On paper, you got to assume, those three people look almost identical.

[Kathy]

I don't remember if I even shook a hand on an interview. And I was dressed quite normal(I don't believe I even had clothes to be "dressed nice"). Interview was somewhat rash anyway, though. Sort of got lucky, I guess. Now they're stuck with me, ho-ho-ho.

[Jeff]

Burnett, on 20 January 2013 - 12:38 AM, said:

Do they ask these questions a lot? Because these are the stupidiest questions to ask at the interview. I want to work because of the money and it's not me they should ask about why should they hire someone. Although, maybe because my job is strictly skill based so I should be evaluated by answering direct questions based on my knowledge.

Probably depends on who's hiring. The guy who did it for my retail job got fired last year, so that probably says he wasn't a good manager. Spent most of his time paging departments and not doing actual management work. The business license for the store was outdated.

Anyways, getting back to the question. I've actually had interviews which were more of a sit and chat (get to know you kind of thing). Very relaxed, no pressure. Some ask that question I said earlier, but I guess this lady that was going to hire me took a more relaxed approach instead that guy earlier, who was really uptight about stuff.

She didn't ask the question "why do you want to work here?", but I guess if you get to know someone and what they want to do for you that's a different way of doing it.

Not sure exactly how it works, but interviews usually tend to put people on the spot and can get them really anxious. I did not feel anxious when I was being interviewed here.

[Forge]

I've been to job interview/resume writing preparation "classes". They give them to you when you're being tossed out of the u.s. military for being "damaged goods" they can no longer make use of.

All the classes in the world won't help if you squirm when being "grilled" by the interviewer/interview committee. If you can't be confident, that reeks of lack of responsibility, and they aren't going to want you.
Being called in for an interview is a good thing. In most cases about 90% of the applicants get rejected without ever stepping foot in the door because of their resumes. If you're being called in they're seeing if the paper matches the person.

I've been to one job interview and I was hired on the spot because I knew about the employer, what the employer expected of me, and what I could bring to the table that would make me stand out above the rest (be it saving the employer time & money -their favorite things- by being efficient, dependable, and doing things in the most cost effective way, or just being familiar with what you're going to be doing and saving them time & money of having to train you).

Every other time I've made my own job interview. I've walked into places, seen what I liked, told the manger a brief summary of my experience and asked for a job (even if they weren't hiring at the time). It works, and I've landed more jobs that way than by submitting resumes.

[Sangman]

Micky C, on 19 January 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

1) Just because there is a correlation, does NOT mean that the two factors are linked in any way.

But isn't that in some way what the word "correlation" means?

Lunick, on 19 January 2013 - 10:56 PM, said:

I think I read somewhere that the first 10 seconds of a Job Interview determines if you get the job or not.

Nah, but it is enough to make a good or bad first impression. You can make a good first impression in those first seconds but still come off like a complete asshat by the end of the interview... As far as I know, it is easy to lose a positive impression someone has of you. The reverse - ie. appearing positive in the eyes of someone who thinks negative of you - is a lot more difficult.

Mr.Flibble, on 20 January 2013 - 06:40 AM, said:

In job interviews, the handshake matters and how your present yourself matters. If you slouch in your chair and don't make good eye contact with the other person, it sends a sense that you don't care. If you are dressed nice and have a good hand shake those first 10 seconds will be the difference between being hired and not.

Pretty much.

[Mikko]

Sangman, on 20 January 2013 - 11:52 AM, said:

But isn't that in some way what the word "correlation" means?

He was referring to a causal link between the two. For example, ice cream consumption and drownings are heavily correlated, but there's no causal relationship between them. Rather, there's a third factor that explains both (summer).

[Hank]

Forge, on 20 January 2013 - 08:06 AM, said:

Every other time I've made my own job interview. I've walked into places, seen what I liked, told the manger a brief summary of my experience and asked for a job (even if they weren't hiring at the time). It works, and I've landed more jobs that way than by submitting resumes.

Unfortunately most people lack this type of confidence.

[Micky C]

Sangman, on 20 January 2013 - 11:52 AM, said:

But isn't that in some way what the word "correlation" means?

Mikko_Sandt, on 20 January 2013 - 01:34 PM, said:

He was referring to a causal link between the two. For example, ice cream consumption and drownings are heavily correlated, but there's no causal relationship between them. Rather, there's a third factor that explains both (summer).

Yeah, correlation of two variables means there is some kind of pattern that links them, however one factor does not actually influence/cause the other.

I was having trouble thinking of a good example so props to Mikko.

[Forge]

Hank, on 20 January 2013 - 02:06 PM, said:

Unfortunately most people lack this type of confidence.

I wouldn't really call it confidence. I just approach the situation with the mindset of what's the worse they can do, say no? Even if they do I haven't lost anything. I only lose out if I never ask.

I also find that approaching on my own is to my advantage. I'm not competing against anyone. It demonstrates that I'm proactive and interested with the pursuit of employment, and that's the same characteristics that I'll apply to the job as well.

[Micky C]

Forge, on 20 January 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

I wouldn't really call it confidence. I just approach the situation with the mindset of what's the worse they can do, say no? Even if they do I haven't lost anything. I only lose out if I never ask.

I also find that approaching on my own is to my advantage. I'm not competing against anyone. It demonstrates that I'm proactive and interested with the pursuit of employment, and that's the same characteristics that I'll apply to the job as well.

This is also better because a lot of jobs these days aren't gained from advertised vacant positions, but through networking. Especially since the GFC hit and advertising for positions has become much less practical. It's becoming increasingly important to know people in the business and spread your details around with something that makes you stand out from the crowd, and if you're lucky, someone will call you.

[Kathy]

Could someone help me and explain a joke in The Godfather Part II?

Senator Pat Geary: Mr. Cici, was there always a buffer involved?
Willi Cici: A what?
Senator Pat Geary: A buffer. Someone in between you and your possible superiors who passed on to you the actual order to kill someone.
Willi Cici: Oh yeah, a buffer. The family had a lot of buffers!

Is it funny because 'buffer' also means 'silencer'?

[Forge]

a buffer in reference to firearms is a recoil cushioning mechanism

they had alot of buffers = they had alot of people they wanted dead

but there may be a more subtle meaning hidden in the message that i can't pick out from the given context

[Lunick]

I think Fox likes cats. I'm not sure.

[Micky C]

I'll be moving in with the GF in about a month, any advice or avoid fights or break-ups or anything while living together?