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User is offline   Forge 

  • Speaker of the Outhouse

#15991

View PostJblade, on 03 February 2015 - 03:21 PM, said:

I know I'm late to the part but holy shit I just saw the tantrum DanM threw on his moddb page for Duke Eternity because nobody donated or something like that. Pretty hilarious.

Somebody's ego finally pop?
Not that I seen it coming, but I had the pleasure of finding out first hand how he operated. Beta-tested some of his stuff and received no acknowledgement nor credit; which is no big deal. But not even a 'thanks'? Meh. Danny has to live with that attitude, everyone else can walk away.

This post has been edited by Forge: 04 February 2015 - 07:40 AM

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User is offline   The Commander 

  • I used to be a Brown Fuzzy Fruit, but I've changed bro...

#15992

I can pretty much quote DanM by saying that he won't give a fuck about what anyone around here says.

Anyway, I had some shitty power cut/surge today with winds gusting around 100km.
I was asleep at the time and it shut my computer down which I always leave on, when I booted it up my External HD drive failed to work, so I just ripped the bitch apart and put the HD inside the case and now she works all good again after Windows did a check on it.
No lost data.

This post has been edited by The Commander: 04 February 2015 - 08:06 AM

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User is offline   Robman 

  • Asswhipe [sic]

#15993

I knew Danny back in 2000 ish and spoke to him recently about using a few of his maps in the new SW add-on.
Not sure what he's angry about but anger is anger and it's a shame to see. He's good to me atleast :lol:

Good on you Commander for not accepting your hdd as a deado and having the brains to crack it open and "try again." ;)
I'm guessing the external power portion is what cacked.

This post has been edited by Robman: 04 February 2015 - 12:31 PM

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#15994

DanM always had a tendency to lose his temper or resort to personal attacks. It's a shame he tried to pull DNE because it's a pretty enjoyable mod but heh, not the end of the world.

@Commander; Ever heard of a UPS?
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User is offline   Robman 

  • Asswhipe [sic]

#15995

Nuts in mop who?

Sofa king wee todd did.

This post has been edited by Robman: 04 February 2015 - 06:00 PM

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#15996

I feel like it's time to end my life.

It's just this thought I've had for so long, and I feel like I'm about to take that next step. Too much has happened to me, too much and not enough, as there probably never will be. No amount of help can fix my mind, nothing can fix what's happened to me. It will always be there, it's too late for me to do anything about it, or with my life. I'm completely broken...nothing can help that, ever. I've always had a kind heart, but my heart can only take so much...too much cruelty, too much sadness. I have forgotten, long since, what happiness has felt like, what sunshine has felt like.

So I just wanted to say that in my short time here at Duke4, I felt like it was home, a lot of people were very nice and supportive, I've made a few friends...for the first time in a long time, I felt like I wasn't judged. You all are really awesome and I'm grateful for having the pleasure to post (and sometimes shitpost, but only to be humorous...didn't mean to hurt anyone...). I think my videogame will still be completed without me, if everyone sticks to the agenda there. The world will move on, keep turning, there will just be a little less in it.

I have tried getting help but nothing has worked. That incredible void will always be there and if I don't do this, eventually something will give. I never expected to live a long life anyway. When I was premature, my mother said she had to watch all the mothers rock their babies to eternal sleep...I would give anything in the world to give one of them the chance to live in my place. It's incredibly unfair that I've lived when friends, family, unknowns..have all died. there is absolutely no fucking point. I'm a terrible person and I've accepted it. Cutting doesn't work anymore, medicine has decayed my mind, crying all of the tears out of my body, throwing up damaged my body, i cant take it anymore.

I was never strong enough to face anything, never strong enough to say no or fight back, I just kept getting taken advantage of, over and over until there is just pain and nothing else. I'm not trying to give anyone a sob story here, this is nobody's fault but my own and I will do just that...own it., I just think it's important that SOMEONE reads this and tries to understand where I'm coming from. I know I'll probably get insulted, as usual, so just fucking lay it on all you want. It won't matter anyway.
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User is offline   Kathy 

#15997

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User is offline   Robman 

  • Asswhipe [sic]

#15998

There is always much to live for, no matter how grim. Ride the journey to it's natural end as after many years you'll look back and see it passed in the blink of an eye.
Tomorrow really is a new day. So relax, maybe take a nice hot shower and wait for the storm to pass.

If personalities across the internet care, than I'm certain there are many more around you who do also.

This post has been edited by Robman: 04 February 2015 - 08:55 PM

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User is offline   Forge 

  • Speaker of the Outhouse

#15999

View PostCoryyne, on 04 February 2015 - 08:17 PM, said:

I feel like it's time to end my life.

It's just this thought I've had for so long, and I feel like I'm about to take that next step. Too much has happened to me, too much and not enough, as there probably never will be. No amount of help can fix my mind, nothing can fix what's happened to me. It will always be there, it's too late for me to do anything about it, or with my life. I'm completely broken...nothing can help that, ever. I've always had a kind heart, but my heart can only take so much...too much cruelty, too much sadness. I have forgotten, long since, what happiness has felt like, what sunshine has felt like.

So I just wanted to say that in my short time here at Duke4, I felt like it was home, a lot of people were very nice and supportive, I've made a few friends...for the first time in a long time, I felt like I wasn't judged. You all are really awesome and I'm grateful for having the pleasure to post (and sometimes shitpost, but only to be humorous...didn't mean to hurt anyone...). I think my videogame will still be completed without me, if everyone sticks to the agenda there. The world will move on, keep turning, there will just be a little less in it.

I have tried getting help but nothing has worked. That incredible void will always be there and if I don't do this, eventually something will give. I never expected to live a long life anyway. When I was premature, my mother said she had to watch all the mothers rock their babies to eternal sleep...I would give anything in the world to give one of them the chance to live in my place. It's incredibly unfair that I've lived when friends, family, unknowns..have all died. there is absolutely no fucking point. I'm a terrible person and I've accepted it. Cutting doesn't work anymore, medicine has decayed my mind, crying all of the tears out of my body, throwing up damaged my body, i cant take it anymore.

I was never strong enough to face anything, never strong enough to say no or fight back, I just kept getting taken advantage of, over and over until there is just pain and nothing else. I'm not trying to give anyone a sob story here, this is nobody's fault but my own and I will do just that...own it., I just think it's important that SOMEONE reads this and tries to understand where I'm coming from. I know I'll probably get insulted, as usual, so just fucking lay it on all you want. It won't matter anyway.

I understand.
I really do.
I'll miss you.
I really will.

This post has been edited by Forge: 04 February 2015 - 11:01 PM

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User is offline   The Commander 

  • I used to be a Brown Fuzzy Fruit, but I've changed bro...

#16000

View PostHigh Treason, on 04 February 2015 - 02:54 PM, said:

@Commander; Ever heard of a UPS?

I have two of them but the cells are dead.
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User is online   Hendricks266 

  • Weaponized Autism

  #16001

View PostCoryyne, on 04 February 2015 - 08:17 PM, said:

I feel like it's time to end my life.

It's just this thought I've had for so long, and I feel like I'm about to take that next step. Too much has happened to me, too much and not enough, as there probably never will be. No amount of help can fix my mind, nothing can fix what's happened to me. It will always be there, it's too late for me to do anything about it, or with my life. I'm completely broken...nothing can help that, ever. I've always had a kind heart, but my heart can only take so much...too much cruelty, too much sadness. I have forgotten, long since, what happiness has felt like, what sunshine has felt like.

So I just wanted to say that in my short time here at Duke4, I felt like it was home, a lot of people were very nice and supportive, I've made a few friends...for the first time in a long time, I felt like I wasn't judged. You all are really awesome and I'm grateful for having the pleasure to post (and sometimes shitpost, but only to be humorous...didn't mean to hurt anyone...). I think my videogame will still be completed without me, if everyone sticks to the agenda there. The world will move on, keep turning, there will just be a little less in it.

I have tried getting help but nothing has worked. That incredible void will always be there and if I don't do this, eventually something will give. I never expected to live a long life anyway. When I was premature, my mother said she had to watch all the mothers rock their babies to eternal sleep...I would give anything in the world to give one of them the chance to live in my place. It's incredibly unfair that I've lived when friends, family, unknowns..have all died. there is absolutely no fucking point. I'm a terrible person and I've accepted it. Cutting doesn't work anymore, medicine has decayed my mind, crying all of the tears out of my body, throwing up damaged my body, i cant take it anymore.

I was never strong enough to face anything, never strong enough to say no or fight back, I just kept getting taken advantage of, over and over until there is just pain and nothing else. I'm not trying to give anyone a sob story here, this is nobody's fault but my own and I will do just that...own it., I just think it's important that SOMEONE reads this and tries to understand where I'm coming from. I know I'll probably get insulted, as usual, so just fucking lay it on all you want. It won't matter anyway.

I've never been one to resort to self-harm. I model my mind as divided into subsystems, and the reptilian "do what you need to do to stay protected and in good shape for tomorrow" component buffers myself from any cascading system faults my emotions will try to cause.

But it doesn't protect me from feeling them.

About a year ago, someone whose friendship I valued very much turned their back on me in a callous act that fucked me over. The months afterward were some of the darkest I've experienced, rivaling only the span in the 7th grade when my parents discovered my activity on the 3D Realms forums and completely banned me from the internet.

This experience made me realize how much I resent having emotions. Loneliness and laziness are the most counterproductive feelings, and they are the hand that I am dealt.

But the human race without emotions would have literally no purpose for existing.

My emotions are faulty. --> Ignore them. --> What purpose, then? --> Why exist at all?

Termination of existence is inevitable anyway, and will result in the same conditions as if we stopped existing right now.

The common advice goes, "It gets better, hang on." Obviously, if this were true, then investing the effort into getting through now is worth it, but I don't know that it will get better. I apply Stoic philosophy and I consciously understand that I am very, very, very fortunate, and I suppose that it could. I can't speak for others. It's possible you've reasoned through it correctly, and medical issues are serious shit to say the least.

I think this: We're young. 60 years is a long time for self-development. Will they be filled with pain? Likely. But existence is finite, and I am curious to maximize what I've been given before I switch over to the infinite.

I choose to go on. Whichever path you choose, I wish you safe travels.
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User is offline   The Commander 

  • I used to be a Brown Fuzzy Fruit, but I've changed bro...

#16002

People that choose to commit suicide are selfish pricks, yeah I am going to say it but that is a fact.
They think that no one cares etc, but there is always someone that cares and it will impact that persons life from then on.
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User is offline   Ronin 

#16003

Not a good idea to make big decisions when you are feeling your worst (maybe you are maybe you're not). Best of luck what ever way you go, I think life is worth it, who knows where you might be in a few years?

You get stronger fighting these things, especially when you expect to lose.

This post has been edited by Ronan: 05 February 2015 - 03:32 AM

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User is offline   Person of Color 

  • Senior Unpaid Intern at Viceland

#16004

I just spent an hour on the phone with her. She'll be fine. Typical suicidal reaction to Prozac. And people wonder why I have a low opinion of SSRI's...Just take 5HTP.

When SSRI's do this to you it's straight up "stealth mode" compared to other drugs. Your thought patterns change so slowly you don't see it happening. Had similar experiences on only 5mg of Valium after a week but I knew the drug was fucking me up the moment I felt suicidal. SSRI's also caused Columbine, Dylan was on a cocktail of Paxil (Worst SSRI ever) and Zoloft (One of the best).

Long story short, if it's not Zoloft or Lexapro, it's shit.

This post has been edited by Person of Color: 05 February 2015 - 03:50 AM

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User is offline   Mblackwell 

  • Evil Overlord

#16005

I take Inositol personally.

But before that I was on a lot of different drugs in my youth, one of the early ones was Prozac but I had a competent psychiatrist who constantly monitored and tested my behavior (and physical health) and shifted me to various medications as time went on. And now after getting older and finding a lot of (positive) coping mechanisms I'm able to get by with only the occasional boost. I know a lot of people taking medications don't get this experience though, but everyone should insist on it.

Anyway, I'm glad she's okay. I lost a friend a little over a year ago.

@Hendricks:
It gets better because as you get older your priorities shift and your early problems don't seem as monumental. Biologically speaking there's a shift in your mental chemistry in your mid-twenties. Interestingly for women there are additional permanent shifts (in the rest of their body chemistry as well) that happen after giving birth.

Edit: For women there may be other factors that might make you want to talk to an endocrinologist as well (monitor your various hormones). During different stages of your regular menstrual cycle there can be huge shifts in hormonal levels that exacerbate any mental health issues. They can help narrow it down and provide supplements to mitigate the effects.
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User is offline   Forge 

  • Speaker of the Outhouse

#16006

View PostPerson of Color, on 05 February 2015 - 03:45 AM, said:

I just spent an hour on the phone with her. She'll be fine.

Good. I wish there was something more I could do to help her out and let her know there is a friend on the other side of these letters on a screen.
Empty words aren't much of a substitute for physical presence. Sometimes you need somebody there to hold and reassure you so you can have a good cry. Once you bottom out, there's nowhere else to go but up.
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User is offline   The Commander 

  • I used to be a Brown Fuzzy Fruit, but I've changed bro...

#16007



Only N64 kids will get it.
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User is offline   MrBlackCat 

#16008

View PostThe Commander, on 04 February 2015 - 11:28 PM, said:

I have two of them but the cells are dead.
You know they sell new cells, and they are sometimes on sale.
Just sayin...

<signature omitted out of respect for The Commanders grouchy nature>
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User is offline   Robman 

  • Asswhipe [sic]

#16009

View PostPerson of Color, on 05 February 2015 - 03:45 AM, said:

Typical suicidal reaction to Prozac. And people wonder why I have a low opinion of SSRI's...Just take 5HTP.

When SSRI's do this to you it's straight up "stealth mode" compared to other drugs. Your thought patterns change so slowly you don't see it happening. Had similar experiences on only 5mg of Valium after a week but I knew the drug was fucking me up the moment I felt suicidal. SSRI's also caused Columbine, Dylan was on a cocktail of Paxil (Worst SSRI ever) and Zoloft (One of the best).

Long story short, if it's not Zoloft or Lexapro, it's shit.


To make a long story short, stay away from ALL of that shit...

Whatever happened to just smoking a j? ... or you know.. not pumping your body full of pharmacide.

Short story:
Rob gets Hep C vaccine in grade 8, early grade 9 Rob gets asthma + allergies, likely linked to a reaction to the "yeast" in the vaccine. No more best runner in school, no more hockey. Have to purchase puffers to breathe air, possibility of drowning on dry land is probable. No previous family history of such a thing, grew up in clean air..
... draw your own conclusion.

We were all stuck with needles from the moment of birth. I'm not purely against vaccination science, but I want the clean shit if I "have to be" injected.

I feel I've been stolen from, the Nanny stole my blanky and burned it.

This post has been edited by Robman: 05 February 2015 - 07:38 PM

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User is offline   Hank 

#16010

View PostRobman, on 05 February 2015 - 05:48 PM, said:

To make a long story short, stay away from ALL of that shit...

Whatever happened to just smoking a j? ... or you know.. not pumping your body full of pharmacide.

It's easier said than done. I lost one good friend because of the drugs doctors prescribe, and I have one fam member addicted for the rest of her life on this. :lol:

I'm just glad someone could talk to her.
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User is offline   Jimmy 

  • Let's go Brandon!

#16011

View PostCoryyne, on 04 February 2015 - 08:17 PM, said:

I feel like it's time to end my life.
.......................................................

I upvoted your post, not because I agree with this decision (that you've apparently, and thankfully, decided not to make) but because this takes courage and honesty. I know I joke with you a lot, but seriously, I respect you a lot. I also sympathize with your condition for reasons I'll get into below.

View PostHendricks266, on 05 February 2015 - 12:56 AM, said:

This experience made me realize how much I resent having emotions. Loneliness and laziness are the most counterproductive feelings, and they are the hand that I am dealt.

But the human race without emotions would have literally no purpose for existing.

The human race has no purpose for existing even WITH emotions. Existentialist view point? Maybe.

I hate my feelings. I'm constantly in emotional pain for a multitude of reasons, some valid, some not so much. But it's kind of out of control and I don't know what to do with my emotions anymore. I wish they didn't exist. It's effecting my life to the point where I'm barely functioning. This is why I'm so slow to work on sprites these days honestly. Finding the will power to get myself to do anything artistic is such a chore anymore, and this only depresses me further. Even my writing has stagnated where it was once a constant.

View PostPerson of Color, on 05 February 2015 - 03:45 AM, said:

I just spent an hour on the phone with her. She'll be fine. Typical suicidal reaction to Prozac. And people wonder why I have a low opinion of SSRI's...Just take 5HTP.

When SSRI's do this to you it's straight up "stealth mode" compared to other drugs. Your thought patterns change so slowly you don't see it happening. Had similar experiences on only 5mg of Valium after a week but I knew the drug was fucking me up the moment I felt suicidal. SSRI's also caused Columbine, Dylan was on a cocktail of Paxil (Worst SSRI ever) and Zoloft (One of the best).

Long story short, if it's not Zoloft or Lexapro, it's shit.

I've never taken any of these things and I've come to this point in my life slowly. I was clinically depressed as early as 12 years old, but I've always hid it best I can and never spoken to a doctor about it. Pills and all that stuff scares me (because I'm an innawoods piece of shit.)

Though honestly, really good quality marijuana improves my mood for days, even if I only smoked it one time in those few days. Too bad I live in the Bible Belt.
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User is offline   Robman 

  • Asswhipe [sic]

#16012

View PostWhite Guilt, on 05 February 2015 - 07:37 PM, said:


I hate my feelings. I'm constantly in emotional pain for a multitude of reasons, some valid, some not so much. But it's kind of out of control and I don't know what to do with my emotions anymore. I wish they didn't exist. It's effecting my life to the point where I'm barely functioning. This is why I'm so slow to work on sprites these days honestly. Finding the will power to get myself to do anything artistic is such a chore anymore, and this only depresses me further. Even my writing has stagnated where it was once a constant.


Take a break, go on vacation.. get some strange tail... leave it and get drawn back naturally. You wore out your creative process, needs time to recharge.


Humans don't live "natural" lives anymore for the most part and we have many symptoms of this... it's only going to get worse.
Yet another mindfuck mountain to climb in a series of cascading peaks and valleys until we fall off a cliff :lol:

This post has been edited by Robman: 05 February 2015 - 07:51 PM

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User is offline   Jimmy 

  • Let's go Brandon!

#16013

View PostRobman, on 05 February 2015 - 07:48 PM, said:

Take a break, go on vacation.. get some strange tail... leave it and get drawn back naturally. You wore out your creative process, needs time to recharge.

Breaks and vacations are nice, but they don't really solve mental illness. I'm one of those sensitive faggots so skirt chasing just isn't my thing. I'd rather lay in bed and listen to the Cure.

View PostRobman, on 05 February 2015 - 07:48 PM, said:

Humans don't live "natural" lives anymore for the most part and we have many symptoms of this... it's only going to get worse.

As a follower of classical Greek Cynicism, I agree with this fully.


inb4 pmw says something about Greeks.

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User is offline   Robman 

  • Asswhipe [sic]

#16014

View PostBlack Shuck, on 05 February 2015 - 07:56 PM, said:


As a follower of classical Greek Cynicism, I agree with this fully.
inb4 pmw says something about Greeks.


Googled what you said, guess I'm a cynic. Interesting.
hopefully no ass buggering pictures show up next ...

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User is offline   Mblackwell 

  • Evil Overlord

#16015

I suggest reading this:

http://www.amazon.co...ords=my+ishmael

Quote

"Among her friends in college," Ishmael began, "my benefactor, Rachel Sokolow, counted a young man named Jeffrey, whose father was an affluent surgeon. Jeffrey became an important person in many lives at this time and later, because he presented people with a problem. He couldn't figure out what to do with himself. He was physically attractive, intelligent, personable, and talented at almost anything he turned his hand to. He could play the guitar well, though he had no interest in a musical career. He could take a good photograph, produce a good sketch, play the lead in a school play, and write an entertaining story or a provocative essay, but he didn't want to be a photographer, an artist, an actor, or a writer. He did well in all his classes but didn't want to be a teacher or a scholar and wasn't interested in following his father's footsteps or in pursuing a career in law, the sciences, mathematics, business, or politics. He was drawn to things of the spirit and was an occasional churchgoer but didn't care to become a theologian or a clergyman. In spite of all this, he seemed "well-adjusted,' as it's called. He wasn't notably phobic or depressive or neurotic. He wasn't doubtful or confused about his sexual orientation. He figured he'd settle down and marry one day, but not until he'd found some purpose in life.

"Jeffrey's friends never tired of finding new ideas to present to him in hopes of awakening his interest. Wouldn't he enjoy reviewing films for the local newspaper? Had he ever thought of taking up scrimshaw or jewelry making? Cabinetry was put forward as a soul-satisfying occupation. How about fossil hunting? Gourmet cooking? Maybe he should get into Scouting. Or wouldn't it be fun to go on an archaeological dig? Jeffrey's father was completely sympathetic with his inability to discover an enthusiasm and ready to support him in whatever exploration he might find worthwhile. If a world tour had any appeal, a travel agent would be put to work on it. If he wanted to try the life of an outdoorsman, equipment would be supplied, gladly. If he wanted to take to the sea, a boat would be made ready. If he wanted to try his hand at pottery, he'd have a kiln waiting for him. Even if he just wanted to be a social butterfly, that would be fine. He shrugged it all off, politely, embarrassed to be putting everyone to so much trouble.

"I don't want to give you the impression he was lazy or spoiled. He was always at the top of his class, always held a part-time job, lived in ordinary student housing, didn't own a car. He just looked at the world that was on offer to him and couldn't see a single thing in it worth having. His friends kept saying to him, "Look, you can't go on this way. You've got too much going for you. You've just got to get some ambition, got to find something you want to do with your life!'

"Jeffrey graduated with honors but without a direction. After hanging around his father's house for the summer, he went to visit some college friends who had just gotten married. He took along his knapsack, his guitar, his journal. After a few weeks he set out to visit some other friends, hitchhiking. He was in no hurry. He stopped along the way, helped some people who were building a barn, earned enough money to keep going, and eventually reached his next destination. Soon it was getting on for winter and he headed home. He and his father had long conversations, played gin rummy, played pool, played tennis, watched football, drank beer, read books, went to movies.

"When spring came, Jeffrey bought a secondhand car and set out to visit friends in the other direction. People took him in wherever he went. They liked him and felt sorry for him, he was so rootless, so ineffectual, so unfocused. But they didn't give up on him. One person wanted to buy him a video camera so he could make a film of his wanderings. Jeffrey wasn't interested. Another person volunteered to send his poetry around to magazines to see if anyone would publish it. Jeffrey said that was fine, but personally, he didn't care one way or the other. After working at a boys' camp for the summer, he was asked to stay on as a permanent member of the staff, but it didn't appeal to him that much.

"When winter came, his father talked him into seeing a psychotherapist he knew and trusted. Jeffrey stuck with it throughout the winter, going three times a week, but in the end the therapist had to admit that, apart from being "a little immature,' there was nothing whatever wrong with him. Asked what "a little immature' meant, the therapist said Jeffrey was unmotivated, unfocused, and lacked goals--everything they already knew. "He'll find something in a year or two,' the therapist predicted. "And it'll probably be something very obvious. I'm sure it's staring him in the face right now, and he just doesn't see it.' When spring came, Jeffrey went back out on the road, and if something was staring him in the face, he went on being unable to see it.

"The years drifted by in this way. Jeffrey watched old friends get married, raise children, build careers, build businesses, win a little fame here, a little fortune there . . . while he went on playing his guitar, writing a poem now and then, and filling one journal after another. Just last spring he celebrated his thirty-first birthday with friends at a vacation cottage on a lake in Wisconsin. In the morning he walked down to the water, wrote a few lines in his journal, then waded into the lake and drowned himself."

"Sad," I said after a moment, unable to think of anything more brilliant.

"It's a commonplace story, Julie, except for one fact--the fact that Jeffrey's father made it possible for him to drift, actually supported him while he did nothing for nearly ten years--put no pressure on him to shape up and become a responsible adult. That's what made Jeffrey different from millions of other young people in your culture who in fact have no more motivation than he did. Or do you think I'm mistaken in this?"

"I don't understand you well enough to say whether you're mistaken."

"Thinking of the young people you know, do you find them burning to be out there becoming lawyers and bankers and engineers and cooks and hairstylists and insurance agents and bus drivers?"

"Some of them, yeah. Not especially to be the things you mentioned, hairstylists and bus drivers, but some things. I know kids who wouldn't mind being movie stars and professional athletes, for example."

"And what are their chances of becoming these things, realistically speaking?"

"Millions to one, I suppose."

"Do you think there are eighteen-year-olds out there dreaming of becoming cabdrivers or dental technicians or asphalt spreaders?"

"No."

"Do you think there are a lot of eighteen-year-olds out there who are like Jeffrey, who are not really attracted to anything in the Taker world of work? Who would be glad to skip it entirely if someone gave them an annual stipend of twenty or thirty thousand dollars?"

"God yes, if you put it like that, I'm sure there are. Are you kidding? Millions of them."

"But if there isn't anything they really want to do in the Taker world of work, why do they enter it at all? Why do they take jobs that are clearly not meaningful to them or to anyone else?"

"They take them because they have to. Their parents throw them out of the house. They either get jobs or starve."

"That's right. But of course in every graduating class there are a few who would just as soon starve. People used to call them tramps or bums or hobos. Nowadays they often characterize themselves as "homeless,' suggesting that they live on the street because they're forced to, not because they prefer to. They're runaways, beachcombers, ad hoc hookers and hustlers, muggers, bag ladies, and Dumpster divers. They scrounge a living one way or another. The food may be under lock and key, but they've found all the cracks in the strongroom wall. They roll drunks and collect aluminum cans. They panhandle, haunt restaurant garbage cans, and practice petty thievery. It isn't an easy life, but they'd rather live this way than get a meaningless job and live like the mass of urban poor. This is actually a very large subculture, Julie."

"Yeah, I recognize it now that you put it this way. I actually know kids who talk about wanting to go live on the street. They talk about going to specific cities where there are already a lot of kids doing it. I think Seattle is one."

"This phenomenon shades off into the phenomena of juvenile gangs and cults. When these street urchins are organized around charismatic warlords, they're perceived as gangs. When they're organized around charismatic gurus, they're perceived as cults. Children living on the street have a very low life expectancy, and it doesn't take them long to realize that. They see their friends die in their teens or early twenties, and they know their fate is going to be the same. Even so, they can't bring themselves to rent some hovel, collect some decent clothes, and try to get some stupid minimum-wage job they hate. Do you see what I'm saying, Julie? Jeffrey is just the upper-class representative of the phenomenon. The lower-class representatives don't have the privilege of drowning themselves in nice clean lakes in Wisconsin, but what they're doing comes to the same thing. They'd as soon be dead as join the ranks of ordinary urban paupers, and they generally are soon dead."

"I see all that," I told him. "What I don't see yet is the point you're making."

"I haven't really made a point yet, Julie. I'm drawing your attention to something the people of your culture want to pretend is of no importance, is irrelevant. The story of Jeffrey is terribly sad--but he's a rarity, isn't he? You might be concerned if there were thousands of Jeffreys walking into lakes. But young riffraff dying on your streets by the thousands is something you can safely ignore."

"Yes, that's true."

"What I'm looking at is something the people of your culture feel sure doesn't need to be looked at. These are drug addicts, losers, gangsters, trash. The adult attitude toward them is, "If they want to live like animals, let them live like animals. If they want to kill themselves off, let them kill themselves off. They're defectives, sociopaths, and misfits, and we're well rid of them."'

"Yeah, I'd say that's how most grown-ups feel about it."

"They're in a state of denial, Julie, and what is it they're denying?"

"They're denying that these are their children. These are somebody else's children."

"That's right. There is no message for you in a Jeffrey drowning himself in the lake or a Susie dying of an overdose in the gutter. There's no message for you in the tens of thousands who kill themselves annually, who disappear into the streets, leaving behind nothing but faces on milk cartons. This is no message. This is like static on the radio, something to be ignored, and the more you ignore it, the better the music sounds."

"Very true. But I'm still groping for your point."

"No one would think of asking themselves, "What do these children need?"'

"God no. Who cares what they need?"

"But you can ask yourself that, can't you? Can you bring yourself to it, Julie? Can you bear it?"

I sat there for a minute, staring at nothing, and suddenly the goddamnedest thing happened: I burst into tears. I exploded into tears. I sat there completely overwhelmed in great, huge racking sobs that wouldn't go away, wouldn't go away, until I began to think I'd found my life's work, to sit in that chair and sob.

When I began to settle down, I stood up, told Ishmael I'd be back in a while, and went out for a walk around the block--around a couple blocks, in fact.

Then I went back and told him I didn't know how to put it into words.

"You can't put the emotions into words, Julie. I know that. You put those into sobs, and there are no words equivalent to that. But there are other things you can put into words."

"Yeah, I suppose that's true."

"You had some sort of vision of the devastating loss you share with the young people we've been talking about."

"Yeah. I didn't know I shared it with them. I didn't know I shared anything with them."

"The first day you visited me, you said you're constantly telling yourself, "I've got to get out of here, I've got to get out of here.' You said this meant "Run for your life!"'

"Yeah. I guess you could say that's what I was feeling as I sat here crying. Please! Please let me run for my life! Please let me out of here! Please, let me go! Please don't keep me penned up here for the rest of my life! I've GOTTA run! I can't STAND this!"

"But these aren't thoughts you can share with your classmates."

"These aren't thoughts I could have shared with myself two weeks ago."

"You wouldn't have dared to look at them."

"No, if I'd looked at them, I would've said, "My God, what's wrong with me? I must have a disease of some kind!"'

"These are exactly the kinds of thoughts that Jeffrey wrote in his journal again and again. "What's wrong with me? What's wrong with me? There must be something terribly wrong with me that I'm unable to find joy in the world of work.' Always he wrote, "What's wrong with me, what's wrong with me, what's wrong with me?' And of course all his friends were forever saying to him, "What's wrong with you, what's wrong with you, what's wrong with you that you can't get with this wonderful program?' Perhaps you understand for the first time now that my role here is to bring you this tremendous news, that there's nothing wrong here with YOU. You are not what's wrong. And I think there was an element of this understanding in your sobs: "My God, it isn't me!"'

"Yes, you're right. Half of what I was feeling was a tremendous sense of relief."

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Breaks and vacations are nice, but they don't really solve mental illness. I'm one of those sensitive faggots so skirt chasing just isn't my thing. I'd rather lay in bed and listen to the Cure.

I have to agree with this, I'm getting pretty bad anxiety problems lately to the point I can't enjoy my days off work anymore. I just sit on the PC and stare at the clock until it's time to go to bed and then wake up to go to work (or wait around until I start my shift) I'm near the end of a 2 week holiday and the crushing anxiety problems have come back to the point I feel like it's over even though I still have today and tomorrow. Going on a long Holiday only alleviated the feelings, it hasn't done shit about actually getting through them. Of course some can say "get a new job" but better the devil you know right? At least it pays well and has allowed me to save up a bunch of money for the future or whatever.

I'm not sure if it's the job or anything but I'm not finding much joy in modding at the moment and yet that's all I feel like doing because I can't enjoy playing games since I just get a voice saying "you should finish the mod you should finish the mod" It's getting through that fairly thankless slump where you have to do a lot of boring or unpleasant work without any real positive feedback (I at least try and thank who I'm working with as much as I can to shift the burden a bit off of them) I'm of course not asking for a HJ and a kiss afterwards but when my job can be thankless (and of course working for corporations has some benefits but they also systematically fucking strip mine people of their time and energy until they fuck up and then can easly replace them) and then I come home and feel forced to work on ANOTHER thing and then get a bunch more complaints (or nothing) it makes me want to tear my fucking hair out.

anyways enough ranting, I hope it's worth it when we finally see release (which should be soon)
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View PostMblackwell, on 05 February 2015 - 10:36 PM, said:


^ A very long winded way of saying "Don't hate the player, hate the game," haha.

I often think of what time period I personally would be best born into. I look to the past and see a heap of bullshit to deal with and think.. nah.

I look at the present and see a whole heap of similar yet different bullshit to deal with and think...bah

I then look to the future and see the previous bullshit, only compounded, drawn out and accentuated and think... gah!

There is definitely a "cycle" going on here. We are mired in the curse of living off the land and it spawns into this predictable mess every time.

I suppose the "choice" time to exist here would be, when that curse is lifted.

Given that there is a physical and metaphysical side to life, there must be a reason we are here and now starting out as a blank page, as if tossed out into the "proving grounds" with only "natural instincts" as our base weapons and armor.

Perhaps we are here in such a finite being, because it's such a stark contrast to infinite.
Perhaps we're just out for a stroll, only sometimes we forget just how long it takes to get back after going half way.

There is something to be said for loving the living condition and accepting the "now."

View PostJblade, on 06 February 2015 - 12:29 AM, said:

anyways enough ranting, I hope it's worth it when we finally see release (which should be soon)

I think you should explain what kind of release you are expecting soon.

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the AMC TC Episode 2 :lol: Me and Micky have been working on it for ages now (as well as maps by other people like Loke and Mikko) Anyway to maybe lighting the mood a bit here's something funny and pathetic:

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Yes, because even 'point gun at person' and shoot is too hard for the casual audience these days. If they don't get a fucking level up ding every other second and a 'share to facebook/twitter' popup every single time they do kill someone or open a door than their attention span might drift, god forbid!
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View PostJblade, on 06 February 2015 - 12:50 AM, said:

bit here's something funny and pathetic:

Yes, because even 'point gun at person' and shoot is too hard for the casual audience these days. If they don't get a fucking level up ding every other second and a 'share to facebook/twitter' popup every single time they do kill someone or open a door than their attention span might drift, god forbid!




Not sure where I saw this before, but it applies. lol

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