[Robman]

Your last 2 comments were nothing more than your brain squeezing out of your head and plopping to the floor with a mushy "thyuk" sound.
I almost heard it from here.

[Forge]

i would've kept quiet, but you had to go all boo-hoo emo because our religion, for all its written words of peace, has caused alot of death, suffering, and suppression of ideas. You seem to think any mention of these atrocities, or calling the church hypocritical is aimed directly at you.

you're not that important in the bigger scheme of things, merely a distraction, but you couldn't bring yourself to let it go and move on. Jesus teaches to forgive; you failed. Your tears tasted of victory. More Sunday school for you.

[Robman]

Forge, on 16 January 2015 - 10:41 PM, said:

i would've kept quiet, but you had to go all boo-hoo emo because our religion, for all its written words of peace, has caused alot of death, suffering, and suppression of ideas. You seem to think any mention of these atrocities, or calling the church hypocritical is aimed directly at you.

you're not that important in the bigger scheme of things, merely a distraction, but you couldn't bring yourself to let it go and move on. Jesus teaches to forgive; you failed. Your tears tasted of victory. More Sunday school for you.

I think you should stop assuming we share the same religion. I was done with you a few posts back though, so trying to make points directed at me will be pointless on this topic anyway. Why did I respond so much? I kinda started the topic so I was going to see it through, but now I'm just a lowly rapist

[X-Vector]

[Hank]

Repo Man, gets your car

[Forge]

[Ronin]

Robman, on 16 January 2015 - 05:32 PM, said:

Which is why God said there is but 1 God and not to worship anything else... golden calf, turd.

Very convenient, kind of like something a human would say don't you think? Anyway which god are we talking about, sounds to me like a fascist. I'm not going to worship anyone or anything, I find the idea of being a slave unappealing.

Robman, on 16 January 2015 - 05:32 PM, said:

Oooooh so that's what faith is?

That's how it appears to me yes.

Robman, on 16 January 2015 - 05:32 PM, said:

I have read a book that gives answers to pretty ALL of the questions you folks seek and yet I hear zero answers back from peoples who presumably have not read the same book.

Tom Cruise would say the same thing, as far as I'm concerned you might as well be talking about Homer's Odyssey. I suggest you take Forges advice and not take this text so seriously. You can't really have an open mind when you claim to know all the answers.

Robman, on 16 January 2015 - 05:32 PM, said:

With that said, stay stuck in the mud if you wish. When I observe a cat chasing it's tail.. I do what most people do which is sit back and laugh yet also take pity on the simple mind of said cat.
Yet I admire the cat and see it's purrrpose.

Wrong, I'm not stuck in any mud and am open to new ideas provided they make some sort of sense. It's you who is chasing their tail as you keep circling and arriving at the same conclusion with no possibility for change. I chase many different tails, but only tails that seem worth chasing.
I'm surprised you can even see the cat with so much tale in your face.

Robman, on 16 January 2015 - 05:32 PM, said:

- People really think I'm making up the notion of some choice folks getting mad at me? When the "big words" go out the window and are replaced with words like "douchbag, book burner and woman abuser," those are words of anger.

This is a subject that can really bring out peoples emotions, you have also got a bit upset at things people have said.

Robman, on 16 January 2015 - 05:32 PM, said:

Science is nothing more than the human mind trying to make sense of God's creation.

Sorry which god are we talking about here? Religion was created by man trying to make sense of the environment he finds himself in coupled with a terrible fear of death and the unknown, religion is primitive science.

Robman, on 16 January 2015 - 05:32 PM, said:

You can remain "retarded" or "held back" if you wish, I realize it won't stop you from slinging the mud in which you are mired.

Held back from what exactly? I'm not slinging mud just saying how I see it, I could be wrong but I am content to follow the accumulated knowledge that's being increased year after year rather than the writings of confused men from the bronze age and before. It's funny how people can be reasonable in most aspects of their thinking but when it's comes to religion that's where the critical thinking ends. I'm glad religion gives you comfort but don't expect others to be so easily indoctrinated. Even if I was to believe in a god I would be a deist as opposed to a theist because at the end of the day and lets be honest, religion sucks, how dare people threaten and frighten children with everlasting punishment for not blindly following an unproven idea, that alone is too much for me.

[Kyanos]

Studying religion is far from comforting.

[Wienerhole]

Forge, on 16 January 2015 - 09:47 AM, said:

my astral projection has come in tangent with Chuck T

and I saw that it was good

I bring you Edelweiß! /hug

Regarding contradictions in the bible and other texts:
Sometimes writings that contradict themselves are trying to get the reader to see a deeper message.
The next line is true.
The previous line is false.

That sort of thing. If a person only thinks and sees linearly and literally, they are very likely to dismiss the entire exercise. A bit like what I did to Calculus my first time through. I took it again later and went "Ohhh... that's actually kind of easy but I had to change how I think about it, and people had been trying to show me how but I refused/failed to grasp what they were saying."

Most of the power and wisdom in the Tao te Ching comes via understanding the contradictions.

Drek, on 17 January 2015 - 08:42 AM, said:

Studying religion is far from comforting.

Ja. Downright terrifying sometimes.

And once a person gets past organized religion into personal spirituality it gets even rougher because they realize how much they personally are responsible for.

I think a lot of people are going to be surprised when they come face to face with remembering they basically made a "bet" that they could come live here and would not fall for the tricks. I know I bet, fell, and am consistently surprised!

Off to visit with my Father in heaven... I mean... his new farm house in New York for the weekend.

[Forge]

Ronan, on 17 January 2015 - 08:35 AM, said:

Anyway which god are we talking about, sounds to me like a fascist.

^this. We have free will and curiosity. Being 'forced' to kow down to an authoritarian entity and accept faith based beliefs at face value doesn't appeal to most open minded people. Especially when there are quite a variety of competing faith systems all claiming to be the right one. Spirituality has to be a self-discovery, not an ideal thrust down one's throat.

Ronan, on 17 January 2015 - 08:35 AM, said:

I'm not going to worship anyone or anything, I find the idea of being a slave unappealing.

You should worship your ability to think for yourself and come to your own conclusions.

Drek, on 17 January 2015 - 08:42 AM, said:

Studying religion is far from comforting.

^and this

CharlesT, on 17 January 2015 - 10:08 AM, said:

Regarding contradictions in the bible and other texts:
Sometimes writings that contradict themselves are trying to get the reader to see a deeper message.

Most of the power and wisdom in the Tao te Ching comes via understanding the contradictions.

And once a person gets past organized religion into personal spirituality it gets even rougher because they realize how much they personally are responsible for.

^and a big dose of this

the 'contradictions' were left there on purpose. they could have easily been edited out of the original compilation, but weren't. They're supposed to make you think and cross reference in order to increase one's understanding.

[Hank]

[Robman]

Ronan, on 17 January 2015 - 08:35 AM, said:

Very convenient, kind of like something a human would say don't you think? Anyway which god are we talking about, sounds to me like a fascist. I'm not going to worship anyone or anything, I find the idea of being a slave unappealing.



That's how it appears to me yes.



Tom Cruise would say the same thing, as far as I'm concerned you might as well be talking about Homer's Odyssey. I suggest you take Forges advice and not take this text so seriously. You can't really have an open mind when you claim to know all the answers.



Wrong, I'm not stuck in any mud and am open to new ideas provided they make some sort of sense. It's you who is chasing their tail as you keep circling and arriving at the same conclusion with no possibility for change. I chase many different tails, but only tails that seem worth chasing.
I'm surprised you can even see the cat with so much tale in your face.



This is a subject that can really bring out peoples emotions, you have also got a bit upset at things people have said.



Sorry which god are we talking about here? Religion was created by man trying to make sense of the environment he finds himself in coupled with a terrible fear of death and the unknown, religion is primitive science.



Held back from what exactly? I'm not slinging mud just saying how I see it, I could be wrong but I am content to follow the accumulated knowledge that's being increased year after year rather than the writings of confused men from the bronze age and before. It's funny how people can be reasonable in most aspects of their thinking but when it's comes to religion that's where the critical thinking ends. I'm glad religion gives you comfort but don't expect others to be so easily indoctrinated. Even if I was to believe in a god I would be a deist as opposed to a theist because at the end of the day and lets be honest, religion sucks, how dare people threaten and frighten children with everlasting punishment for not blindly following an unproven idea, that alone is too much for me.

As sure as you have 1 father here on earth, so you do in heaven.

Don't call me a rapist out of the blue and expect things to go well. I think I handled it in a civil manner.

I hope someday some demonic activity happens to you and you have no idea what to do So that you might learn from it.

All I've heard is more "science did it" .... good luck with that. Line yourselves up for the alien deception, don't say you weren't given some insight.
Science, your saviour will eventually prove there IS but 1 God and a soul within you. I did not begin at this belief, but arrived at it.

The people managing our planet share my beliefs only they contend for the wrong side.

CharlesT, on 17 January 2015 - 10:08 AM, said:

Ja. Downright terrifying sometimes.
And once a person gets past organized religion into personal spirituality it gets even rougher because they realize how much they personally are responsible for.

I like this, nicely put.

[Hank]

[Forge]

Robman, on 17 January 2015 - 01:03 PM, said:

think I handled it in a civil manner.

define civil

Robman, on 16 January 2015 - 05:32 PM, said:

You can remain "retarded" or "held back" if you wish, I realize it won't stop you from slinging the mud in which you are mired.

Robman, on 16 January 2015 - 05:47 PM, said:

To the feeble minded I suppose it may appear that way.

Robman, on 16 January 2015 - 05:59 PM, said:

Cat .... tail... chasing.

Robman, on 15 January 2015 - 08:16 PM, said:

I have a scenario in my head jokingly where when one of you "science zoidies" die, an angel will greet you and you ask, who are you? .. It will reply, "I am science! Come with me!" ...

Robman, on 17 January 2015 - 01:03 PM, said:

I hope someday some demonic activity happens to you and you have no idea what to do

Robman, on 15 January 2015 - 08:31 PM, said:

Go home, you're drunk. Re-evaluate your life.

Robman, on 16 January 2015 - 10:13 PM, said:

Your last 2 comments were nothing more than your brain squeezing out of your head and plopping to the floor with a mushy "thyuk" sound.
I almost heard it from here.

calling people ignorant, having fantasies about being an angel that drags souls to hell, and wishing evil things onto people is not going to endure anyone to your point of view. It's also very un-Christian like. You make our religion look bad.

[Forge]

[Robman]

Forge, on 17 January 2015 - 01:57 PM, said:

define civil








calling people ignorant, having fantasies about being an angel that drags souls to hell, and wishing evil things onto people is not going to endure anyone to your point of view. It's also very un-Christian like. You make our religion look bad.

There is a difference between jokes and angry words, good thing you didn't add your words that precluded me saying any of that. Did I say the angel was dragging you to hell? Nope.. it was a joke and it was funny None of the things you just posted I said contained any swear words or overly harsh speak.

Life is a fanstasy bud, step 1.. accept you are a soul in a body. step 2: observe the world, make no mistake there is a script going on. Step:3 Learn the script.

Do I wish evil upon people, or does my activity here in this thread conveying my thoughts to help provide answers for which clearly some are interested in. Stand to prove just the opposite.

If you place your faith in science to find out what's going on here, that's fine. But honestly what happens when you die? You'll respond nobody knows and then I try to explain what likely does happen, given that you are a soul in a body.

That's 3-4 times you keep saying "our" religion, stop trying to couple my belief with yours, I wouldn't go around bashing Jesus like you do if we shared the same faith.

You have exhausted your "try" Forge, try again another day.

[Forge]

Robman, on 17 January 2015 - 02:33 PM, said:

There is a difference between jokes and angry words,

so when you're condescending everyone's supposed to realize it's a joke?
That lends to the idea that everything you say is a joke, so how can anyone take anything else you say seriously.

You shouldn't blame others for this and try to martyr yourself by claiming that you've been labeled as a random word pulled from someone else's observation of past religious practices and church doctrine. You did that to yourself and put yourself in this position.

Robman, on 17 January 2015 - 02:33 PM, said:

I wouldn't go around bashing Jesus like you do if we shared the same faith.

quotes please.

[Sangman]

tl;dr

[Robman]

Forge, on 15 January 2015 - 08:43 PM, said:

the flow of the conversation was about how anal some religious people can be and how they hinder the advancement of knowledge. You make a fine example.

surely you must be too busy to hang out on a forum. aren't there some books that need to be burned or a woman that needs to be put in her place?

Forge, on 15 January 2015 - 07:42 PM, said:

don't act ignorant and dodgy.


you should stop watching Fox news, crack open the door to your bunker, and actually look around.

Forge, on 15 January 2015 - 08:04 PM, said:

yep. thank Jesus for the patience to deal with dodgy trolls that prove all the doubters point of view about how douchey some religious types can act.

Forge, on 15 January 2015 - 08:29 PM, said:

Nope. You only respond like the token bible thumper.
"God did it so I can stop thinking for myself"

happy for your devotion. ashamed of your closed-minded ignorance. You give my religion a bad name.

don't you have something better to do, like passing out pamphlets at the bus station or throwing rocks at gays?

Forge, on 16 January 2015 - 09:07 PM, said:

you fail at theology. you make my religion look bad.

keep loitering around here and you'll be late for your boat which'll make you miss the crusade. Lots of Moors to slaughter and women to rape. Wouldn't want to miss that.

the word was douchy. you also forgot anal.
woman abuser, book burner, crusader, gay basher, torturer, inquisitor, imprisoning "heretics" for looking through telescopes, etc. etc.
all things that have been condoned by our religion. See the pattern? Putting down and suppressing ideas and people.
This from the religion that professes love and peace. Hate the sin, not the sinner. Jesus hung out with the worst of the worst. He wasn't with them to suppress them, he was with them because those are the people who needed him the most. Jesus and God are there to fill our spiritual needs, not answer all our questions about the physical world. We have to do that for ourselves.

So you want to play the wayback game? I'm done with you dude, like I said before.. you're obviously some kind of closet radical muslim or just another troll Exactly how many times have you tried to link my belief with yours. Man has fallen out of sync with nature to the point of doing the "whole" harm, perhaps our questions about the physical world is really part of our downfall.

[Robman]

Forge, on 17 January 2015 - 02:50 PM, said:

You shouldn't blame others for this and try to martyr yourself by claiming that you've been labeled as a random word pulled from someone else's observation of past religious practices and church doctrine. You did that to yourself and put yourself in this position.

Nah, you placed me there. Nice try to flip it around though.

Instead of this incessant shitshow, why not people who care to, just drop a comment about what they think happens when they die?

Look at the world stage, what is taking place? The west and sadly most of the world is controlled by "special Interests" at the top and really has been de-industrialized. It's being milked and brought down.

Do I deserve my head cut off for my beliefs? For believing in what I see as good? Do I feel the need to commit atrocities or kill my fellow man? No.
It's not illegal in the eyes of man to have the beliefs of good. YET

How is it we can photograph things like auras now, we have so much "non-physical" things unexplained, heck plenty of physical things left unexplained as well. How much of the ocean species do we really know of? Admittedly we still know very little in the grand scheme. How is it that I've been conscious outside of my body before? Please use science to explain all of these "phenomena," I really am interested.

[Forge]

Robman, on 17 January 2015 - 02:33 PM, said:

I wouldn't go around bashing Jesus like you do if we shared the same faith.

still no quote where I bashed Jesus

protip: you're not Jesus

[Robman]

Forge, on 17 January 2015 - 03:32 PM, said:

still no quote where I bashed Jesus

protip: you're not Jesus

Forge, on 16 January 2015 - 09:07 PM, said:

the word was douchy. you also forgot anal.
woman abuser, book burner, crusader, gay basher, torturer, inquisitor, imprisoning "heretics" for looking through telescopes, etc. etc.
all things that have been condoned by our religion. See the pattern? Putting down and suppressing ideas and people.
This from the religion that professes love and peace. Hate the sin, not the sinner. Jesus hung out with the worst of the worst. He wasn't with them to suppress them, he was with them because those are the people who needed him the most. Jesus and God are there to fill our spiritual needs, not answer all our questions about the physical world. We have to do that for ourselves.

While I did see the humor there...
Your view is skewed, to which you reply so is mine, whatever. I've proposed more interesting topics since this that people can get in on other than our back and forth. After all of this, you still haven't made clear what you actually DO believe is going on.

[Forge]

Robman, on 17 January 2015 - 03:43 PM, said:

you still haven't made clear what you actually DO believe is going on.

God
Jesus
???
profit

[Robman]

Forge, on 17 January 2015 - 03:49 PM, said:

God
Jesus
???
profit

I think that's sad, and I'm allowed, atleast you've said something.

I believe your statement to be true in someways, but at the core incorrect, good still exists.

[Hank]

so there was a add(spy or whatever)ware on my comp today.
First, some of the programs acted slower, then on the internet the browser was redirected or opened multiple pages
Next I scanned this with (brandX) nothing.
Then there was an explosion, like Hank loosing it; I simply could not track the exe.

Then I tried Webroot, while installing it it found the culprit (some adshit something like *4real).

Now the comps work, but it's Saturday so time to go out.

[Mblackwell]

[Marphy Black]

I just received a gift in the mail from 3D Realms:

[MrBlackCat]

CharlesT, on 17 January 2015 - 10:08 AM, said:

<snip>
And once a person gets past organized religion into personal spirituality it gets even rougher because they realize how much they personally are responsible for.
<snip>

This statement eloquently sums up why I am not even trying to help this guy. For someone so sure of their religion he has completely missed all of scripture related to humility, judgement etc.
When I was a Christian, I quickly saw the conflict of practice and the pitfalls of "arguing" arise. Regardless of my own beliefs, I always try to make the distinction of what is a "real" Christian and what are people who wish to be, but actually are not yet. While we are individuals with different "ways" about ourselves, if one is to be a "real" Christian, then it must be lived, not just talked about, quoted and memorized alone. It must be understood. The "Real" ones as I see it, are consistently the same in several respects. One way is that they don't fear others views. They never end up or get caught up in defending their beliefs. And they never, ever, shove their beliefs down your throat. I used to say that Real Christians were like Real Gays... you never know it unless you in a situation where it matters. The ones shoving it down your throat, in every setting and statement, are likely just people who like to fight about something like some kind of rebels who found a cause.

And Robman, being so sure of yourself is very likely not wise. Many here are comfortable with discussing the possibility that other views exist and occasionally don't mind discussing opposing views with people who can express those beliefs and views rationally, respectfully, and politely. This isn't what I see happening here.

When I was a Christian, I never viewed "non-believers" as threats, offensive etc... I just though of them as people I might be able to help if they wished. I thought I "had" an understanding and divine relationship so great, I only wished to share that with others. Anything I experience that is great, I like the idea of sharing it with others. I still feel the same way, just no longer about Christianity or any other religion. It took me a few years to get in the habit of NOT thinking that I "had it all figured out". This is a good place for me... you might want to consider looking into it. Maybe look into the concepts of Buddhism a bit, as that should not interfere with a Christian Belief. It might strengthen it if you are serious about your religion.

MrBlackCat

[Robman]

MrBlackCat, on 17 January 2015 - 07:44 PM, said:

This statement eloquently sums up why I am not even trying to help this guy. For someone so sure of their religion he has completely missed all of scripture related to humility, judgement etc.
When I was a Christian, I quickly saw the conflict of practice and the pitfalls of "arguing" arise. Regardless of my own beliefs, I always try to make the distinction of what is a "real" Christian and what are people who wish to be, but actually are not yet. While we are individuals with different "ways" about ourselves, if one is to be a "real" Christian, then it must be lived, not just talked about, quoted and memorized alone. It must be understood. The "Real" ones as I see it, are consistently the same in several respects. One way is that they don't fear others views. They never end up or get caught up in defending their beliefs. And they never, ever, shove their beliefs down your throat. I used to say that Real Christians were like Real Gays... you never know it unless you in a situation where it matters. The ones shoving it down your throat, in every setting and statement, are likely just people who like to fight about something like some kind of rebels who found a cause.

And Robman, being so sure of yourself is very likely not wise. Many here are comfortable with discussing the possibility that other views exist and occasionally don't mind discussing opposing views with people who can express those beliefs and views rationally, respectfully, and politely. This isn't what I see happening here.

When I was a Christian, I never viewed "non-believers" as threats, offensive etc... I just though of them as people I might be able to help if they wished. I thought I "had" an understanding and divine relationship so great, I only wished to share that with others. Anything I experience that is great, I like the idea of sharing it with others. I still feel the same way, just no longer about Christianity or any other religion. It took me a few years to get in the habit of NOT thinking that I "had it all figured out". This is a good place for me... you might want to consider looking into it. Maybe look into the concepts of Buddhism a bit, as that should not interfere with a Christian Belief. It might strengthen it if you are serious about your religion.

MrBlackCat

It's a forum, I'm not shoving it down your throat, I don't fear others views or I wouldn't have kept this going for so long, JC knows you'll have to defend his word.

"when you were a Christian" "never viewed non believers as threats" - neither do I or do I want to yet the world is changing.

Did I come off a wee bit crass? Sometimes with this subject you have to work from the bottom up, dependent upon the crowd.

I do not go to church, my thoughts are an accumulation of observation and search. Take Forge for example, this guy's whole point he tried to drive home which eventually didn't work was that he and I share the same religion. I had to get this guy out of the way and it took time to finally hear from him that he thinks "our" religion is solely based upon the accumulation of wealth. It's an arduous task.

I haven't made a penny speaking of the Lord and nor do I want any. I haven't lost a penny for the same reason either. There is something about treasure in heaven however.

Speak of the Lord and watch how it stirs up the demons

I don't presume to "know it all" but you gotta admit, with this and almost everything there are always varying degrees.

[Robman]

A question I've proposed that's been repeatedly failed to be answered is : What happens when you die?

What are people thinking happens? This is an honest question and I would like to know, I feel no need to reply to them. Simply for the knowing.