[MusicallyInspired]

Yes, you can debate it. Very easily.

[Parkar]

 Jhect, on Jan 30 2011, 10:45 PM, said:

You can't really debate it. The engine is made so that people could make games of it. I guess that when you think of a mod, you think of something that is free and easy to make. I'd say it doesn't have to be free and it can be as big as you want it.

Yea but but mod means it is a modification of a game and implicitly means you need the game and the mod to play it. As soon as it's standalone calling it a mod is kinda stupid. It has nothing to do with being free or easy to make at all. Making a game using the UDK is pretty much identical in process to making a mod for UT3 but the output is a mod in one case (UT3) and a standalone game in other (UDK).

With your definition everything except a game written entirely from scratch would be a mod (that's a vast majority of games ever made). The whole point mods are called mods is to differentiate between a stand alone game and something that requires an other game to be installed to play.

[Spirrwell]

 Mr.Deviance, on Jan 30 2011, 12:08 PM, said:

No, you are to use the right terminology where it's due if you want to be taken seriously.
If you want to be taken for a fool or a noob or a joker, then you can feel free to call anything you want with what ever words you want.
It is a game and just because it feels like a mod to you, doesn't give you the luxury of calling it a mod without mentioning why you are doing so.
The correct way is to call it a game that feels like a mod to you, if you expect to have a decent an intelligible conversation here and not some retarded pool of words and dizziness...

The post that I've made on the top of this page should have been the end of this debate as it's obviously the correct and obvious answer.
The only person that could have brought new facts to the debate and contradict my facts, was Fresch! But instead of doing so, he just decided to make a dumb arrogant post that tells nothing.
But after you've seen his face in pictures, it's no wonder why he would chose to post in such a matter.

To Fresch!
I hope you taste failure to the nth degree, because your attitude is shit and just because gearbox gives a shit about your project, that doesn't give you 3 balls or something.
The reason why I hope you taste failure is because I hope failure will help you to refine your attitude and force you to take things more seriously in the future.
You claim that your project is fan driven and donation driven, yet you come amongst the biggest concentration of duke fanboys and act like a dork, pissing at least part of them.
I guess you either love to make things hard for yourself by pissing off people that should donate, or you are just stupid and you don't know your own interest.

I started as a supporter of your project but right now, I don't care about it for shit after seeing who is in charge of it.
If you ever decided to sell this I would pirate definitely it! Good thing you are giving out for free though.
But you should know I that if it ever comes out, I will play it and if I happen to like it, I am not going to feel appreciative towards you but just towards your team that keep their pork traps shut the fuck up when they have a community interest.

Do we know that it really is Fresch and not some fifteen year old sitting in his\her basement posting here to be a troll?

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I think I can clear a few things about the information policy.

Nobody from the team, not even Fresch as leader, is allowed to give away the infos some people would have liked to get. This silence might come across as arrogant to some, but it isn't. It is basically what everybody on the team had to sign in the NDA. The way I read Fresch's post was that he gave away as much as he could.

The NDA (Non Disclosure Agreement, for those who don't know) is very restrictive.

I am allowed to quote some of it, though. It is only ONE paragraph of a much longer contract which I use as example to show that it is not so easy to spread infos about the game or the license behind it:

"The Disclosee hereby agrees to take all steps reasonably necessary to maintain and protect the Confidential Information in the strictest confidence for the benefit of the Disclosor, and will not, at any time without the express written permission of the Disclosor, disclose the Confidential Information directly or indirectly to any third person, excepting employees of the Disclosee who have expressly agreed in writing to be bound by the terms of this Agreement."

Some more things: The team isn't even allowed to release Screenshots or even Concept Art before it is greenlit by GBX although the teammebers really want to show off what they have created as soon as possible. This, of course, includes all infos about the license behind the project and what infos may be revealed to the public. The license papers weren't even allowed to be scanned and posted in the team-members-only section of the forum. They are "For eyes only".

I hope that this explains the silence about what goes on in the background a little.

It definately is not arrogance that they don't post infos or tell everybody what is going on.


Fact is: Things are going on. They go on well ... and you really will be suprised (in a positive manner) when the time is there. We all need a little patience ... and patience is what Duke Nukem fans should have enough of. And it shows that GBX and Interceptor really care about the project.

regards,
fuegerstef


EDIT:
All the info I just gave away was talked about with the team before I posted it. Because I wasn't sure if I was allowed to post so much info. You see, even explaining the silence is not as easy.

[Tea Monster]

 Spirrwell, on Jan 30 2011, 03:35 PM, said:

Do we know that it really is Fresch and not some fifteen year old sitting in his\her basement posting here to be a troll?

Unfortunately, you've described about 35% of the members of this forum - which is bizzare considering that the original game came out in 1996.

[Hank]

At Mr. Fuegerstef – Thanks to clear that up!
At Mr. Tea Monster, you can cheat at the age button. Technically I would love to be 15 again. but I promised to act my age otherwise my girl will kill me.

[bullerbullerseven]

 Hank, on Jan 31 2011, 01:20 AM, said:

At Mr. Fuegerstef – Thanks to clear that up!
At Mr. Tea Monster, you can cheat at the age button. Technically I would love to be 15 again. but I promised to act my age otherwise my girl will kill me.

Please tell me what's so great about being 15? you can't do anything xD

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 Hank, on Jan 30 2011, 04:20 PM, said:

At Mr. Fuegerstef – Thanks to clear that up!

Glad I could shed a little light on matters.
I am only a moderator at the Interceptor fourms. I don't have acess to betas nor even Screenshots. I get all media as early as you (well, maybe a little more on the progress and stuff, but not much). But even I had to sign the NDA because -as you have seen above- I have infos about the background stuff. And from that I can tell it will be a great project.

This project follows basically the same laws as if it was a game that is sold and shows that GBX really takes care of their Duke Nukem franchise.

And the Interceptor team loves eDUke/DukePlus/HRP/Polymer. So those who think that DN3DR is competition for it can relax. One is a reboot or modern remix and will be different from Duke Nukem 3D. eDuke is for keeping the original gameplay with updated graphics. And who knows, maybe the rerecordings of the original one-liners for DN3D in good quality might be used in eDuke (I have no idea if that once will be allowed though. It is just a guess).

[Hank]

 Jhect, on Jan 30 2011, 07:27 PM, said:

Please tell me what's so great about being 15? you can't do anything xD

Ah, that's what I thought when I was 15, and now, well, just to be able to be carefree - enjoy it while you can (if you are around that age). I missed the boat, but this way off-topic. Maybe make a topic?

[bullerbullerseven]

Nah doesn't matter. It's just a topic I understand what you mean with carefree. But i would rather be 10 years old than 15 years old

[Tea Monster]

I was talking about their apparent age, based on observing their behaviour.

[ReaperMan]

 Tea Monster, on Jan 31 2011, 04:46 PM, said:

I was talking about their apparent age, based on observing their behaviour.

Maybe we just have alot of care free people in the duke community, or people who decided never to grow up and act boring.

[randir14]

I wonder why Gearbox is so invested in this, hiring JSJ and even forcing the Reloaded team to clear everything with them. Doesn't really sound like it will be free in the end.

[Parkar]

 randir14, on Feb 1 2011, 11:03 PM, said:

I wonder why Gearbox is so invested in this, hiring JSJ and even forcing the Reloaded team to clear everything with them. Doesn't really sound like it will be free in the end.

Because they own the IP and want some control of how it is portrayed. Even if this game is free it's going to have at least some impact on the value and image of the whole IP.

[Scott_AW]

Well if they finish it, I'll play it. Kind of like how I was interested in the Doom Classic for Doom III, there is some appeal to a revisioning of the game. Just don't take forever to make it

[Mr.Deviance]

 fuegerstef, on Jan 30 2011, 04:46 PM, said:

We all need a little patience ... and patience is what Duke Nukem fans should have enough of.

WROOONG!!!
You see, while the rest of your post left me neutral, this part of your post almost made me want to sue you for attempting to give me a stroke through the internet.
Now you also probably want to know why I think that what you said is so wrong, that it demanded bold, upper case and huge fonts combined!
Well, the reason why you are so wrong is because you have assumed that Duke Nukem fans have enough of patience.
This is the worst mistake one could possibly do while attempting to fix Fresch's image and wipe the shit that he left behind him on a forum, for ex this one.
If you actually think that people that are sick and tired after waiting 14 years for DNF to come out, are people at which you can still find enough patience, then you my friend are either under the spell of magic shrooms or you just said that because you wanted to piss off somebody over here.
I won't say you are dumb because nobody can possibly be so dumb and ignorant to NOT KNOW this.
So my suggestion is that next time when you attempt to wipe the shit that your lame project leader left behind, please don't come with such obnoxious shit, at lest for the sake of people that still have 1 neuron working.
It's insulting...

Not going to talk in everybody's name here as I don't have the permission but I seriously don't need to hear how you guys are not arrogant after your triple balled Fresch deodorant just had this to say...

Quote

Until then, enjoy your own little world of crazy speculation.

If you claim this is not arrogant speech then you my friend, need some serious beating.

If you want donations, you got to earn them through media and respect, if you don't give out media and respect then have Gearbox donate to you, I won't give a dime.
And no, it's not enough that just one guy from the team to show respect, respect starts with the team leader! If he can't show enough respect, then everybody under him deserves to suffer the same judgment as he is.

[Tea Monster]

 ReaperMan, on Jan 31 2011, 02:34 PM, said:

Maybe we just have alot of care free people in the duke community, or people who decided never to grow up and act boring.

(Sigh) Yeah, OK.

[Hank]

 fuegerstef, on Jan 30 2011, 07:29 PM, said:

This project follows basically the same laws as if it was a game that is sold and shows that GBX really takes care of their Duke Nukem franchise.

I do respect that, and believe that and I hope others can do the same.

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 Hank, on Feb 1 2011, 08:23 PM, said:

I do respect that, and believe that and I hope others can do the same.

I wish GBX were giving away more info too. I am not talking about the Duke4 event. That's obvious they don't tell when and where this happens.
But I really wish they would say if the editor is in the PC version. They may not have decided yet (which isn't good) or may have decided to not include it (which is eve worse, IMHO).

Well, the Reloaded Beta will have an editor.

EDIT:
And I like that Interceptor had chosen the way of making a multiplayer beta and later plan to relase episode after episode. With the multiplayer beta we can see how the game feels (and see the new Holywood Holocaust to see how they reinterpret the game) way before it is finished in 2 or 3 years and give feedback on gameplay, graphics and stuff.

[Mad Max RW]

So now Gearbox is in complete control of what media is released for this project. The whole thing is very fishy. I will be extremely surprised if that multiplayer demo is released any time in 2011 if not outright shelved.

[Tea Monster]

 Mad Max RW, on Feb 15 2011, 06:57 PM, said:

So now Gearbox is in complete control of what media is released for this project. The whole thing is very fishy. I will be extremely surprised if that multiplayer demo is released any time in 2011 if not outright shelved.

They have been given an official license. This means that, in effect, that Gearbox's name is on this game. If you look at any licensed product you'll find that the licence issuer keeps track of what is going on. It will be the same deal with the action figures they are making. NECA will be sending regular updates to Gearbox and Gearbox will be checking them over and suggesting changes. This is just normal business procedure.

[Mad Max RW]

But doesn't that fly in the face of why fans make games/mods like this in the first place? They're not getting paid, and the only thing they had going for them (freedom to make and do what they want) was just stripped away. So essentially they're working on a professional product under the thumb of Gearbox without getting paid and no way of getting paid in the future. What kind of nutcase would stick around under those conditions? They can no longer release screenshots, videos, anything without going through Gearbox first. The threat of everything being scrapped without question will always be there. That sucks when you're doing this as a fan for other fans.
Think realistically. The only positive outcome for the team at this point would be for Gearbox to put them on the payroll.

Or I can play naive and think it's all about getting the fans the best free Duke game in a timely manner. Yeah right, I almost choked while typing that.

[Hank]

 Mad Max RW, on Feb 16 2011, 09:44 AM, said:

But doesn't that fly in the face of why fans make games/mods like this in the first place?

Think realistically. The only positive outcome for the team at this point would be for Gearbox to put them on the payroll.

Yes, it is. But it's not just Gearbox, it's all others as well. If you are a modder, I think Eduke32 is your best bet. (OK it does not have 180 vision yet, sorry about the other post) Or simply switch from modder to indie developer. There are a lot of kids out there with a shitload of talent, and very hungry. I'm actually hoping that Gearbox will put another damper on DNF modding abilities, frees more talent.

I also think; the best from the Reloaded team will end up somewhere at Gearbox or other Game Developers.

Will Reloaded finish? We'll see in three two four years, until then ...

[duke4everman]

 Hank, on Feb 16 2011, 08:25 AM, said:

Yes, it is. But it's not just Gearbox, it's all others as well. If you are a modder, I think Eduke32 is your best bet. (OK it does not have 180 vision yet, sorry about the other post) Or simply switch from modder to indie developer. There are a lot of kids out there with a shitload of talent, and very hungry. I'm actually hoping that Gearbox will put another damper on DNF modding abilities, frees more talent.

I also think; the best from the Reloaded team will end up somewhere at Gearbox or other Game Developers.

Will Reloaded finish? We'll see in three two four years, until then ...

myself im not going get hyped up over hit, its a good idea but what are the chnaces of it taking off well?

[Tea Monster]

They are working closely with a big-name game dev. Everything they make gets the once-over from someone at Gearbox. That may include feedback on your work from a professional modeler. You can't say that about any 'regular' fan mod.

It has been hinted-at by various parties that if things work out, they may get a job out of it. That isn't any kind of iron-clad contract, but it's better than just sending your portfolio link off into the ether. Also, as this is a licenced product, they may be able to put the credit of a 'real' game onto their CV - which is a big deal if you want to become a pro modeler.

Often, if you are applying for a modelling position at a studio, you will be asked to produce a 'test' piece. You could view modelling for this group as your 'test piece'.

Now, I'm not condoning the whole "Work for us for free as you will get your name out there" BS. But it does have some plus points, especially as you are not just 'putting your name out there', but are (sort of) working with the people who will be making the next Duke game.

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 Tea Monster, on Feb 21 2011, 10:44 AM, said:

They are working closely with a big-name game dev.

I might add that quite a few members already work professionally in the gaming industry ... and one even in the movie industry. So I strongly believe we get to see some quality game here.

[Mr.Deviance]

 fuegerstef, on Feb 21 2011, 01:46 PM, said:

I might add that quite a few members already work professionally in the gaming industry ... and one even in the movie industry. So I strongly believe we get to see some quality game here.

The one working in the movie industry is most likely Fresch. The way he looks makes me suspect that he's a porn actor that specializes in the gay genre most likely going by the name Squeeky McBoink or The Little Spermaid.
Did I nail it?

[Hank]

 Mr.Deviance, on Feb 21 2011, 05:21 PM, said:

The one working in the movie industry is most likely Fresch. The way he looks makes me suspect that he's a porn actor that specializes in the gay genre most likely going by the name Squeeky McBoink or The Little Spermaid.
Did I nail it?

No. Not even close.

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 Mr.Deviance, on Feb 21 2011, 02:21 PM, said:

Did I nail it?

Yep, you nailed your level of maturity and intelligence perfectly well in your post.

And no, it wasn't even remotely funny ... just in case you try to bring in that point.

[Jimmy]

Them being professional proves nothing to me. Halo and CoD: Black Ops were produced by professionals, don't make'em good games.