[BraveTriforcer]

Yes, let's just get back to what this topic is supposed to be about....any new news stories?

[Stewox]

i posted the joysticq story and nobody realized

It has a few new info though , worth a read.

More of histroy and proceedings explanations , something that not a lot of companies ever tell. (corporations not at all ) But gearbox seems to be very loyal to fans , it has proven even me , let us see how that trust will be enhanced or broken based on the post support of this game , free patches pc ?!!!

[Green]

Gamespot Interview with Randy Pitchford and Steve Gibson
www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/dukenukemforever/video/6283313

[Jobi-Wan Kenobi]

Randy seems to be kind of tired...and at the end he is talking more about the release date! GBX will announce VERY SOON a more specific release date!!! Randy doesn't know how soon but it won't be long!

Steve Gibson also mentions that normally you have media and all prepared befor the announcement! They started to work on the media campaign when PAX took place apparently. He thinks it was the only way to do this and they are working very quickly to keep up with the marketing campaign! Randy says that one could think they tease us but that's not the case he says!

Good to hear all this!

[Micky C]

Randy tired? Duke Nukem goes brunette? It just doesn't happen

[Honza]

thanks for the summary and BIG thanks goes to Mr. Green for posting it!

Did you noticed that at 9:17 he said "Duke is gonna save the world even if he has to do it all by himself" I think that he is referring to that famous quote in 2001 DNF Trailer Check this out: Duke Nukem Forever 2001 trailer (youtube) at time 1:28

[Honza]

btw from this interview I'm starting a bad feeling about this and 1st February doesn't look that probable; hopefully it was bad because of poor picture quality and rather sad (for RP) uncommon mood.

[BraveTriforcer]

 Honza, on Nov 1 2010, 01:35 PM, said:

btw from this interview I'm starting a bad feeling about this and 1st February doesn't look that probable; hopefully it was bad because of poor picture quality and rather sad (for RP) uncommon mood.

Dude, Randy has already said, crystal clear on many occasions, that the Amazon release date and stuff are bullshit they put there as placeholders.

[Honza]

 BraveTriforcer, on Nov 1 2010, 09:04 PM, said:

Dude, Randy has already said, crystal clear on many occasions, that the Amazon release date and stuff are bullshit they put there as placeholders.

nobody trusts him, everyone just thinks that he is "bluffing" or doing misdirection, so in case 1st February doesn't happen he could say "I told you not to bet on 1st February".

As he said many times - game content is complete, they're betatesting and settling release date with retailers.

Retailers most likely want 1st February release date as it can "cure" their drop in after Xmas sales - my bet is that it would really help. However RP sees that it would help retailers but it wouldn't help him - he wants to make it game of the year so February is too early. Maybe he is aiming at summer - in land of blind - one-eyed is king. The best will be obviously fall 2011 but it's our worst nightmare and it's also huge risk - he bought IP, so he thinks that the game is gonna be good (well sold), however he wants to make more money of it so he can do either:

1/ release the game in February - Summer 2011 range and wait what happens
2/ wait till fall 2011 and silently prepare Duke Begins (or whatever) however if it turns out that Duke is not so good IP after all he is in double trouble...

[Mr.Deviance]

 Honza, on Nov 1 2010, 05:28 PM, said:

silently prepare Duke Begins (or whatever) however if it turns out that Duke is not so good IP after all he is in double trouble...

You know what? Because I know that if DNF fucks up, Randy fucks up too, I will actually have a reason to be a bit happy if DNF HAPPENS to fuck it up(even though I don't want it to).
If DNF got released by George and it did fuck up, I wouldn't have been happy at all. But if it fucks up and fails to breath life into the Duke IP aka ruins Randy's, Gearbox's and 2k's investment into the Duke brand, I would actually have a reason to laugh instead of just being sad that DNF failed after all this time.
So, as far as I am concerned, no matter what happens with Duke Nukem Forever, I will still enjoy the end result more or less.
If anything, Randy bought me a reason to not be completely sad if DNF fails!


And for some reason, I have a feeling that if DNF fails to sell and gain fans, George will be happy too, because he at least got some of the money back from those 20mil that he invested in it!

[BraveTriforcer]

So you're implying that George'd be happy if DNF fails after all this time, Deviance? Wat? I'd think it would be more likely he'd be happy if he got a net gain from DNF.

[Mr.Deviance]

 BraveTriforcer, on Nov 1 2010, 07:00 PM, said:

So you're implying that George'd be happy if DNF fails after all this time, Deviance? Wat? I'd think it would be more likely he'd be happy if he got a net gain from DNF.

No, I think that if it would fail he wouldn't be happy that it failed at all. I said that I suspect he would be happy that he is outside the hot zone if it happens to fail.
If the game fails, I suspect he might be happy to observe it failing from the outside and not the inside.
Disappointment is one thing but losing loads on money is another. As far as I understand, George got his share of cash for DNF and Duke Nukem's brand and no matter how well or bad DNF will sell, George won't get any further cash from 2K.
Everything DNF makes, will end up in 2k's and Gearbox's pockets.
George would have to be crazy or hate Randy way too much to hope that DNF fails and I'm sure that's not the case, but in case it does fail, George might actually be both disappointed that his vision and work wasn't appreciated while at the same time be relieved it wasn't him that failed directly!

[Gurty]

 Mr.Deviance, on Nov 1 2010, 06:36 PM, said:

No, I think that if it would fail he wouldn't be happy that it failed at all. I said that I suspect he would be happy that he is outside the hot zone if it happens to fail.
If the game fails, I suspect he might be happy to observe it failing from the outside and not the inside.

You could also look this from a other point of view. Gearbox is only assembling DNF, so in the end George his work would still pop-up in the game and off course this game is being assembled by the vision of 3DR.
So if George was looking for a new job in the gaming industries he still could tell that he worked on DNF and they will instantly know who he is and what he can do.
This would be a big plus point for him, at least i would see it like that. For Gearbox they are actually only assembling the Game and deliver it to 2K Games.

I know DNF has the potential to fail because of the many years of development, but in a other way because of those years it can sell outrageous.
Just look for example at the Call of Duty series, every year those games are a big hit on the selling charts, modern warfare was decent but modern warfare 2 just sucked but still sold millions of copy's. Now Treyarch has the torch and don't you think this game isn't going to sell? Even if most models, sounds and textures are refurbished from Call of Duty World at War.

DNF has the Myth, Vaporware awards, long development, everybody wants to see what this game is about even if it is going to fail or not but my € 50,- are already at my local gamestore for only this game.

[Mr.Deviance]

 Gurty, on Nov 1 2010, 09:22 PM, said:

torch and don't you think this game isn't going to sell? Even if most models, sounds and textures are refurbished from Call of Duty World at War.
DNF has the Myth, Vaporware awards, long development, everybody wants to see what this game is about even if it is going to fail or not but my € 50,- are already at my local gamestore for only this game.

Yeah but don't forget you are saying this on a duke nukem fan forum while having an avatar with you and Randy in it.
I was talking about the game selling to people that are not like you or me for that matter.

[zwieback]

 Mr.Deviance, on Nov 2 2010, 08:32 AM, said:

Yeah but don't forget you are saying this on a duke nukem fan forum while having an avatar with you and Randy in it.
I was talking about the game selling to people that are not like you or me for that matter.

interesting - i don't know a single guy that doesn't want to buy dnf.
duke is, like lara croft, mainstream - and mainstream doesn't fail. (oh and before you say it's not mainstream think for some time about what i just wrote)

dnf going to fail? don't think so.

[OpenMaw]

Duke3D sold like crazy, its one of the most beloved and well remembered FPS games of all time -- right next to Doom. It has a legacy, and there are literally millions of people around this world who have waited for Duke Nukem Forever. Even if the game itself is a piece of shit, it will still sell well based on the hype, the legacy, and the curiousity factor. I mean, It's DUKE NUKEM FOREVER, even those who nay-sayed the game since its initial announcement will want a piece of that.

[Mr.Deviance]

 zwieback, on Nov 2 2010, 11:16 AM, said:

interesting - i don't know a single guy that doesn't want to buy dnf.

I know loads that don't care about it, even though they are gamers since before dn3d came out.

 zwieback, on Nov 2 2010, 11:16 AM, said:

dnf going to fail? don't think so.

It could fail, don't be very surprised if it does.
In today's world where 95% of games fail, I wouldn't be surprised if this failed too.
But I would even buy the game if it failed, because I would be curious to see how it failed.

[BraveTriforcer]

Did you know that 82% of all statistics are complete horse shit?

[zwieback]

fair point, but time will tell and my point stands

[Splat]

It can and will not fail, but it won't brake any records. I think it'll do very well.
I wonder, if they had decided to keep the secret of its continued development at Gearbox a little longer, until they were just weeks from release, that could've have had a big impact on sales. The hype and rumors would've exploded at the right moment. Now it just settled down. Even the trailer will not bring back the initial surprise.

[Jobi-Wan Kenobi]

what truth?!

[Mr.Deviance]

 Pikachu, on Nov 2 2010, 07:11 PM, said:

That the climate of gaming has changed and people don't really want to identify with characters like Duke anymore. It's partly due to technology becoming so advanced that any attempt to try and imprint a character on your gaming experience destroys the sense of immersion.

Duke will still likely be a good game, but Duke coming back as a full-fledged franchise, like back when systems needed mascots? No way.

The platform mascot thing is a good theory.
How sega has Sonic and Nintendo has Mario the pc had multiple mascots though. Commander Keen, Dangerous Dave and even though the pc had games that were more popular than Commander Keen and Dangerous Dave (like doom for ex) they didn't have identifiable characters to become mascots.
The big problem of doom is that no matter how great it was/is It lacks a protagonist very badly!
I would say that the most awesome contender for the PC mascot competition is Indeed Duke Nukem, because it has both a kick ass Fps game in which he stars and he has such a well defined character that everybody loved back then!
Out of all the contenders for lifetime PC mascot competition, I pick Duke Nukem hands down!

What's sad is that, games are made for everybody and they aren't made for multiple target audiences.
Like have games made strictly for old school fps gamers and then have games made for new generations too.

[Jeager1999]

I'm sure that won't be a problem. Sure the fans that been around since Duke3d will definitely get it and I'm sure once GBX gets things rolling soon, like Trailer's and Demo, it would help bring in more fans. But if this game is to truly fail, it would be because of how Gearbox is handling the situation.

[Kathy]

 Pikachu, on Nov 3 2010, 01:00 PM, said:

They want a silent protagonist so they can pretend it's THEM in the game world. Duke does not fit that criteria.

That's bullshit. There are lots of games where the protagonist isn't silent.

[Jobi-Wan Kenobi]

 Pikachu, on Nov 3 2010, 11:00 AM, said:

But in today's world, nobody wants a mascot character. They want a silent protagonist so they can pretend it's THEM in the game world. Duke does not fit that criteria.

Yes thats bullshit!

The trend of non speaking protagonists was made by the industry! NO ONE was asked ift WE gamers want that!

ALSO there is an ongoing reverted trend to more speaking protagonists and this is where Duke comes in and while blow everything out of the water!