[bullerbullerseven]

http://forums.duke4.net/index.php?act=atta...ost&id=1299

it is this picture i mean.
i think the blue and red lights is a bit too... big? bright or whatever you say xD i asume the blue light comes from the key card lock and the red light comes from the switch that is actually behind that wall as a secret room. tell me if its not from that secret room and if the blue light is not from the keycard switch. but if it is. it shouldnt be that bright.

please explain what you were thinking so i can understand. it could also be disco-lights that the developers of the map were not able to make because they did not have the tools.

[Tetsuo]

Jhect, on Nov 17 2010, 04:30 PM, said:

http://forums.duke4.net/index.php?act=atta...ost&id=1299

it is this picture i mean.
i think the blue and red lights is a bit too... big? bright or whatever you say xD i asume the blue light comes from the key card lock and the red light comes from the switch that is actually behind that wall as a secret room. tell me if its not from that secret room and if the blue light is not from the keycard switch. but if it is. it shouldnt be that bright.

please explain what you were thinking so i can understand. it could also be disco-lights that the developers of the map were not able to make because they did not have the tools.

Those are supposed to be the "disco" lights. As far as I can remember the original had those colored lights in that area as well. There was only one color of keycard door in that area and it isn't what is causing those lights.

[bullerbullerseven]

Tetsuo, on Nov 18 2010, 02:08 AM, said:

Those are supposed to be the "disco" lights. As far as I can remember the original had those colored lights in that area as well. There was only one color of keycard door in that area and it isn't what is causing those lights.

my friend you are right 100% my mistake. i remembered that it was only white lights so that is where i was wrong

[Micky C]

Either way I didn't put those lights in; the only levels I've worked on in the original Duke3D (not counting Duke it out in DC) is episode 3. Most of the other level lights were done by Devestator, except for Hollywood Holocaust, which I think was done by Parker.

[Micky C]

So I've collected all my video playthroughs of the levels I've done so far:

e3l1 Raw Meat: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=85pbJCyW9H0
e3l2 Bank Roll: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=RD7ztWuvUZo

e3l5 Movie Set: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8emoSvUIU8...e=youtube_gdata
e3l6 Rabid Transit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zhqgFeoN6k...e=youtube_gdata
e3l7 Fahrenheit: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=pkUZJoXKstA

And since no one really comments in this thread, I hope people don't mind if I put up some pictures outlining some of the highlights of the levels and some techniques I used to light them:


Large outdoor areas tend to be lit by large spotlights.


A technique I also included on the first level of Duke it Out in DC (small spotlights on the walls), also the spotlight shows off the model


Combination of a red spotlight and a blue point light make for great visuals here.


Mixing it up with some different colours.


Emphasizing the height with some high-up lights, also good for the journey back down.


Added small blue and red lights to the vending machines. I know they have glow maps but I think it looks better like this. It also lights up the HUD a bit.


Added lights all along the track. However since it's one large sector, polymer seems to have given up rendering light on the floor and ceiling there. At least the walls are lit.



It feels so good to see enemies have proper shadows, especially in the outdoor areas.

[Micky C]

It seems that there's some kind of limit to how many photos you can put up, so I'll post the rest here:


The walls look nice here.


When it's normally too dark to see on minimum brightness, and there are no sector lights in-game, a dim light does the job nicely.




When there's an elevator, I put a column of lights along its travel path to give an extra sense of movement as well as more consistent lighting. You'll see what I mean when you use it in game.

Edit: If the levels don't look like how they do in my video playthroughs, or you think something should be added, please tell me.

[Devastator]

Screenshots look great, but lightning strikes hard on performance. I've not checked all levls yet,m but there is something wrong with rabid transit.
Make sure yo do not alter map in any way(except for sprites) now wall/ sector operation.

Looking into e3l6.mhk i see light in sector 183 with coordinates 25728 -61568
Opening e3l6.map and i see that it is sector 184 in this coords.

I did same mistake when lighted up my first map, so here's the solution how to transfer lights to original map:

We gonna duplicate all sprites including Lights into original unaltered map.

1. Unpack unaltered e3l6 from grp(using romalooms gviewer or simply opening and saving through mapster)
2. Create one big sector, bigger than whole map.
3. Find some key sprite you will use as guide for alignment.
4. Select all map via shift.
5. Click-grab it and press insert (don't release mouse button yet)
6. move all map far away.
- by now you should have all map sprites hanging in void space.
7. Select all these sprites and move inside giant sector made in step 2.
8. Alt-select this sector.
9. Open original unaltered map. You should have giant sector in this map too.
10. Move all sprires into original map and align them according to key sprite
11!. While all sprites still selected move them to same position AGAIN. (move left and then back right for example) This step is needed for engine to assign valid sectnum to sprites.
12. Delete giant sector
13. Export maphack and check the diference.
And remember: no operation with walls and sectors!

[Micky C]

Whoa, that sounds complicated. I don't think I altered any of the level geometry when putting in the lights, but I'll have a look into it. What does the faulty maphack cause in-game out of interest? I hope it's nothing too bad as I won't be able to fix it for about 2 months after I return from france :S

[Roma Loom]

Some lights are just not showing because of wrong sectors. For instance I don't have that light source in the subway on the screen you've posted.

[Micky C]

So are people sure it's because they're in the wrong sectors? Because it's awesome that we now have a solution to the problem
I'm just a bit uncertain because some of the lights in rabid transit are working but some aren't. But if this is why they're not working it should be easy to fix.

Unfortunately I have the feeling there are other places where the lights aren't working, so if anyone has some spare time after playing through the levels, also watch he video playthroughs and if they don't match up, just tell me so I can fix it.

Edit: It appears Devastator was right, I followed his instructions and it fixed the lights in Rabid Transit. I'll replace the old code on the previous page with the corrected code as I go and when I'm done I'll email the fixed maphacks to NightFright. Just to be on the safe side I'll redo all my lighted levels.

Double Edit: I've fixed them all and emailed them off. The code on the previous page has been updated
I'm currently working on my own map, but that's not going to be done before I leave for France, so I'll focus my effort until then on getting Hotel Hell done.

[Micky C]

E3l8 Hotel Hell is completed:

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Things worth mentioning:

I mixed things up with some colour. Don't shoot me, I think it really livens up the level; afterall it's meant to be a love hotel. Realistically who doesn't like this because it strays too far from the original idea should be playing in software mode. And if you look at these areas with colours, and then replace the lights with white ones, even the most diehard players would say it looks bland. To be fair though, these shots are the only places I really used them.


Yep, this area is lit up by one giant spotlight. There's another biggie outside at the back, and the front, and I think two others somewhere, but there are a lot of point lights as well in areas where either more spotlights would REALLY bring the framerate down, or there would have been little benefit having shadows. I made a lot of use of softer, more ambiant lights in places where there were no ingame lights so it wouldn't be pitch black.


This is one of my favourite things of the lights in the level; the soft, almost moonlight coloured point light (and spotlight around the corner) really add to the atmosphere of a night map and boost the realism tenfold. If I made them brighter the shadows would be more apparent but I prefer it like this.

Comments or suggestions are welcome, I'm doing this for the community so if the community wants something so it will be

[NightFright]

Included with latest maphacks (see signature link). Thanks for this work! I will wait until all levels are done and check them all out in a row (*drools*).

[Micky C]

Ok, I made a bit of a push over the past two days to do the last two levels: e3l3 Flood Zone and e3l4 L.A Rumble. That means that in terms of lighting, Episode 3; Shrapnel City has been completed, bar the secret levels. I might do Freeway later this week, but I'm not very familiar with it.

Random screenshots:
The specular mapping is really starting to pay off.

I finally lit a huge area with a point light! People with weaker computers can finally play one of the levels yay! I think a reddish colour really brings out the walls in this level, and helps lend it a unique feel.

I put blue lights everywhere underwater. There are 3 different blue lights for different purposes in Flood Zone. One is the darker blue (pictured) which is used for normal water, a paler, whitish blue is used for underwater rooms where there would be lights, and a greenish blue is used for the plant infested area.

Bump mapping is also FTW, especially with the softer lights which help more to add contrast to the bumps.

Looks better in motion, although not really, because the spotlight is no longer showing up in the same sectors as the helicopter (but ironically shows up at the edge of one a bit further away). Evidence points towards there being too many lights in the same sector, I'll have to fix that sooner or later but it's not high on my priority atm.


Edit: Well NightFright are you going to play through them all now or do I have to do Freeway first?
Just make sure you have a decent computer, I didn't pull many punches when doing these levels, although Flood Zone and L.A Rumble mostly use point lights for the outside so they'd be easier (Flood Zone is mostly point lights actually)


Here's the code for anyone too impatient to wait for NightFright to add it to his signature:

e3l3 Flood Zone

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[NightFright]

BTW, it's all included in the meantime, just in case you were wondering.

[Micky C]

Should I do any other levels in other episodes? I had a quick look through episode 2, which was done by Roma Loom, and I felt that there were way too many dark rooms, as he only seemed to put point lights on doors and occasionally other places most of the time. He also got rid of all the SE 50s so there aren't any spotlights.

i.e, too many places are like this:
normal ambiant light:

minimum ambiant light:


If TX's vision of replacing sector lights with dynamic lights (actually I'm not sure whether he meant the original levels or just new user maps) will ever come to fruition, episode 2 will have to be redone. But then I'd feel bad for redoing all his work which I'm sure he put a lot of effort into. Yet at the same time, episode 2 can really be livened up with some more colour, and with all the dark shades used, the lights should come off really well on the textures (i.e red lights would looks a deliciously evil blood red).
What does everyone think? Is it good enough as it is? I want comments dammit!

I also checked through episode 4 done by devestator, and it seemed decent enough. He made far more use of soft lights and spotlights than episode 1, and made the levels look really dark and spooky which is excellent, however some places were still unnecessarily left too dark IMO, but it's worth leaving.

If people are happy with episode 2, then the game can pretty much be considered done with lighting.

[Tetsuo]

I would like that vision of TX's to come to fruition someday especially after he has optimized the engine. But I guess what you have done is good for now and then later on as it gets more optimized more dynamic lights can be added especially to look better with ambient light turned down. I already play it that way myself but I also am still waiting for all the textures to be redone for polymer so they look their best. But already with what has been done so far (and I've noticed a few more redone textures have been added to SVN recently) and the new maphacks it's looking better and better all the time.... that's my opinion.

[Roma Loom]

Micky C, on Dec 2 2010, 12:51 AM, said:

Should I do any other levels in other episodes? I had a quick look through episode 2, which was done by Roma Loom, and I felt that there were way too many dark rooms, as he only seemed to put point lights on doors and occasionally other places most of the time. He also got rid of all the SE 50s so there aren't any spotlights.

I can send you the maps for ep2 with SE sprites, so you can just alter and add new lights to the existing ones if you like.

[Micky C]

Wow, thanks Roma. That's definitely a huge help as it not only saves time, but some of the stuff you have in there is already pretty good, and I'm not just saying that

I'll start episode 2 next year after I come back from holidays. Perhaps when I'm finished, or earlier, I'll upload all the maps with the SE sprites so that they can be edited down the line for things like hardcoded light switches and other unforeseen advancements. I'll send Devestator a pm regarding that.

[Micky C]

When I said I'd start next year, I lied. Here's e2l9 Overlord, most of Roma Loom's work is untouched, but a lot has been added. Play through and be amazed, I really like some of the stuff I did with this, while I'm not sure about other stuff (red next to green reminds me too much of rose bushes)

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[NightFright]

Included with latest maphacks. Redownload if needed.

[Micky C]

My present to Plagman, e2l1 Spaceport. Now I really can't do any more levels for the next one and a half months, so I hope people enjoy these in the meantime.

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[Roma Loom]

I have played e2l9 and saw only few new lights, but looking at maphack I see like ~80 new lights.. this is strange. Also I don't really get the origin for two green lights at the bottom room where lostof Ooz Filters reside. You blow the filters and there are two green spots which look really out of place...

[Micky C]

I played through Overlord again and the lights are all there. It looks like there are less lights than there actually are because in certain places I chose to use lots of smaller lights instead of one big light in order to prevent the colours from bleeding out to areas where they'd look out of place. For example, in the room where you first surface, there are 8 red point lights, and 8 blueish point lights. Another thing is that I also used lots of extremely faint point lights in order to stop places from looking pitch black, while still looking incredibly dark, lights in the order of (10,10,10). When it comes to the origin of lights, it's pretty clear that the original mappers didn't put as many physical lights in as they would have if each one were to be omitting its own light, this calls for the need to put lights where there are say, no light textures around, but also for decorative purposes such as the small green lights in the room with the waterfalls, and the green spotlight behind the battlelord so that you know it's there beforehand.

I'll definitely admit that the overlord arena is hard to know what to do with. I ended up putting two green spotlights opposite eachother, and two similar red spotlights at the other two ends, with one behind the door. I left the lights you put in (made them a bit bigger though), and added some yellow ones to the giant cannon attacking earth outside, and to the targeting monitor. As for the arena itself, I'm open to suggestions to rework it. There probably should be spotlights somehow though.

Here's the video playthrough for those who want to see what it looks like or compare it with their own playthroughs for whatever reason. You might need to wait for it to process through: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS4HdowvG7U...e=youtube_gdata
Edit: it's a bit slow at first because I didn't preload map textures.

[lawl]

Where can i download the newest files of this mod ?^^

[LeoD]

http://forums.duke4....&showtopic=2251

The Polymer HRP and maphacks from Nightfright's sig are currently on par with the SVN contents but might not be updated with every upcoming SVN addition.

[Geoffrey]

I don't have the chance to play Duke that often, but I would like to say thanks for posting all those screenshots At least I can be semi-up to date now!

[Micky C]

Finally appreciation for all the work put into taking and uploading all the screenshots, thankyou

In a month or so I'll get back to working on episode 2, which probably has priority over my own map in terms of importance. Until then I'm having extreme difficulty not writing this is French

[trencheel303]

Fantastic work here peeps. if I wasn't a software mode man through and through (and if I had a good enough computer), you could bet your ass I'd be downloading and trying these out. Reminds me very much of how the Doomsday port transforms the game into a colourful well lit environment.

[Micky C]

Thanks trencheel303! Comments like that really make all the effort worthwhile

I'm motivated and ready to jump right back into finishing off episode 2 when I return home in 2 and a half weeks. I'll pump out level 2 in a day just to jumpstart things

[Night Wolf]

One of the things about the lighting that bothers me is that blue lights have been added to the water... last time I checked water doesn't glow blue
also some of the colours are just too "fluro" for the enviroments they are in, simply they look out of place being too colourful.
some lights look fantastic while some still need some work imo.