T2 Lawsuit Disposed? New documents! "Is the case over?"
#31 Posted 29 January 2010 - 09:47 AM
We're going to know, when they want us to know.
The wait won't be any less.
#32 Posted 30 January 2010 - 04:45 AM
Zor, on Jan 29 2010, 06:47 PM, said:
We're going to know, when they want us to know.
The wait won't be any less.
That is absolutely right. But I´m just curious. Most people speculate about the case and noone can find any valid information. And that is why I´m asking...
#33 Posted 02 February 2010 - 10:29 AM
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Re: Is The Court Case Active or Not?
Why would you think in any way, shape or form that it's not active? It will be active until you see some public announcement that it's resolved.
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However, we still have no idea at all about when the court date is.
Neither do we. It's not how these things work. It's a very long and involved process and things change all the time and there can be long delays at any point in the process. Suits like this can take years to resolve, depending on the willingness of the parties to come to a settlement. A very very small percentage of cases ever actually end up in court in front of a judge or jury. It's a long drawn out process where the only winners are the lawyers.
http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/showthread.p...7082&page=2
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#35 Posted 02 February 2010 - 02:44 PM
#36 Posted 02 February 2010 - 11:29 PM
MrAdidaKing, on Feb 2 2010, 05:44 PM, said:
I looked around a bit and had no luck. We've already got our answer from George though, the case is still ongoing. Obviously the "disposed" blurb was only referring to the case being moved to federal court.
What totally baffles me is Scott's repeated teases and blurbs about "wishing he could talk" as it seems he's sitting on some major news. Well, it's definately not the case being settled.
If there's no settlement before the trial, I think the game is toast.
This post has been edited by kaisersoze: 02 February 2010 - 11:32 PM
#37 Posted 03 February 2010 - 03:36 AM
but we can't get it cause of the freaking lawsuit!.
#38 Posted 03 February 2010 - 05:29 AM
If the game was done, they would have released it because it would have prevented this law suit to begin with.
#39 Posted 03 February 2010 - 08:29 AM
kaisersoze, on Feb 3 2010, 12:29 AM, said:
What totally baffles me is Scott's repeated teases and blurbs about "wishing he could talk" as it seems he's sitting on some major news. Well, it's definately not the case being settled.
If there's no settlement before the trial, I think the game is toast.
'I don't think the game will be toast. I just think it will be finished by someone else ...
#40 Posted 03 February 2010 - 03:21 PM
MrAdidaKing, on Feb 3 2010, 11:29 AM, said:
If 3drealms wins the court case over Take 2, how do they finish the game? With what money?
George has painted himself into a corner by letting the team go and basically saying he has no money.
It'll look pretty bad for 3drealms to win over Take 2 and then miraculously find money to get the game completed by someone else.
Further, what motivation would 3dr have to finish the game if they win over Take 2? Unless 3drealms gets out of Take 2 publishing the title,
Take 2 would still handle it. There already seems to be alot of bad blood between the parties, if the case goes to court and a judgement decided,
it'll be even worse. Neither party is going to want to work for the other at that point imo.
So really, unless there's a settlement that mandates the game be finished, I highly doubt the game will make it out. I don't believe Take 2 has
any claims to the Duke IP either so them being awarded the IP and then finishing the game is very, very remote imo as well.
A settlement scenario for example would be Take 2 agreeing to give 3drealms enough funds so they can then farm the game out to a company like
Humanhead or Gearbox to complete the game. In return, Take 2 would be entitled to a larger portion of royalties the game makes and let's say rights
to a DNF sequel.
My opinion though in the end is that George and Scott don't want to do business or be involved with Take 2 in any way, shape or form. I think this is the reason
Scott is trumpeting that Take 2 should be bought out.
#41 Posted 03 February 2010 - 04:41 PM
kaisersoze, on Feb 3 2010, 04:21 PM, said:
George has painted himself into a corner by letting the team go and basically saying he has no money.
It'll look pretty bad for 3drealms to win over Take 2 and then miraculously find money to get the game completed by someone else.
Further, what motivation would 3dr have to finish the game if they win over Take 2? Unless 3drealms gets out of Take 2 publishing the title,
Take 2 would still handle it. There already seems to be alot of bad blood between the parties, if the case goes to court and a judgement decided,
it'll be even worse. Neither party is going to want to work for the other at that point imo.
So really, unless there's a settlement that mandates the game be finished, I highly doubt the game will make it out. I don't believe Take 2 has
any claims to the Duke IP either so them being awarded the IP and then finishing the game is very, very remote imo as well.
A settlement scenario for example would be Take 2 agreeing to give 3drealms enough funds so they can then farm the game out to a company like
Humanhead or Gearbox to complete the game. In return, Take 2 would be entitled to a larger portion of royalties the game makes and let's say rights
to a DNF sequel.
My opinion though in the end is that George and Scott don't want to do business or be involved with Take 2 in any way, shape or form. I think this is the reason
Scott is trumpeting that Take 2 should be bought out.
I was referring to T2 winning, as I hope they do. If T2 wins I believe it will be finished by another company.
#42 Posted 04 February 2010 - 02:59 PM
#43 Posted 04 February 2010 - 06:13 PM
BugsBunny, on Feb 4 2010, 03:59 PM, said:
I love my pc and my xbox. either is fine. i just want to play this game.
#44 Posted 04 February 2010 - 08:25 PM
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#46 Posted 04 February 2010 - 10:38 PM
Zor, on Feb 5 2010, 02:31 AM, said:
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http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/201...r-revealed.aspx
They better dig deep and hard and give us some good inside info!
This post has been edited by NUKEMDAVE: 04 February 2010 - 10:39 PM
#48 Posted 04 February 2010 - 11:20 PM
You'd get to taunt the judge every time he makes a bad decision and kick t2 law-dudes where it really hurts.
Only for wii with balance board, so you can really get those kicks in.
This post has been edited by zakath: 04 February 2010 - 11:20 PM
#49 Posted 05 February 2010 - 04:41 AM
Negotiations fell through for DNF between 3DR and Take 2 on May 1st 2009. This is known as May Day, which is a distress signal which means help me. It comes from the french m'aidez.
There.
#50 Posted 05 February 2010 - 01:35 PM
#52 Posted 06 February 2010 - 02:04 AM
Spooger, on Feb 5 2010, 04:35 PM, said:
Thanks Spooger for the summation.
What were the 2012, 2013 years mentioned for? How long the case could be dragged out via appeals?
As I've been saying, we need to be hoping for a settlement that will include getting the game finished. If the case goes to trial, the game is dead.
#53 Posted 06 February 2010 - 08:56 AM
kaisersoze, on Feb 3 2010, 04:21 PM, said:
George has painted himself into a corner by letting the team go and basically saying he has no money.
It'll look pretty bad for 3drealms to win over Take 2 and then miraculously find money to get the game completed by someone else.
Further, what motivation would 3dr have to finish the game if they win over Take 2? Unless 3drealms gets out of Take 2 publishing the title,
Take 2 would still handle it. There already seems to be alot of bad blood between the parties, if the case goes to court and a judgement decided,
it'll be even worse. Neither party is going to want to work for the other at that point imo.
So really, unless there's a settlement that mandates the game be finished, I highly doubt the game will make it out. I don't believe Take 2 has
any claims to the Duke IP either so them being awarded the IP and then finishing the game is very, very remote imo as well.
A settlement scenario for example would be Take 2 agreeing to give 3drealms enough funds so they can then farm the game out to a company like
Humanhead or Gearbox to complete the game. In return, Take 2 would be entitled to a larger portion of royalties the game makes and let's say rights
to a DNF sequel.
My opinion though in the end is that George and Scott don't want to do business or be involved with Take 2 in any way, shape or form. I think this is the reason
Scott is trumpeting that Take 2 should be bought out.
why is it that you think T2 won't finish the game if they get the IP. DNF is too big?
#54 Posted 06 February 2010 - 02:17 PM
MrAdidaKing, on Feb 6 2010, 09:56 AM, said:
DNF isn't big, the IP isn't worth shit
#55 Posted 10 February 2010 - 07:50 AM
blackharted, on Feb 6 2010, 03:17 PM, said:
im not even on 3dr's or GB's dick and I think the Duke IP is big. wtf?
#57 Posted 10 February 2010 - 06:02 PM
Mr.Flibble, on Feb 10 2010, 02:47 PM, said:
isn't that why T2 wants it?
#58 Posted 11 February 2010 - 05:15 AM
There was a 5 million dollar amount being thrown around that 3dr apparently asked Take 2 for to complete DNF. When Take 2 balked,
George let the team go.
Now, is it possible that 3dr had let's say 2 million dollars laying around and was able to pick up an outside developer to finish the game?
I presume the 5 million amount was the money needed to pay 3dr employees so they could get to the end of development. By cutting the staff,
could it have possibly "brought" the completion amount down for a third party like Gearbox or Humanhead to finish it?
#59 Posted 11 February 2010 - 08:59 AM
#60 Posted 11 February 2010 - 09:05 AM
kaisersoze, on Feb 11 2010, 02:15 PM, said:
Whoever would theoretically be devloping it would need enough cash themselves to sustain operations (minus possibly the pocket change 3DR could hand them), because their employees need to be paid too. That means if you're going to look for potential candidates you can only look at those that are truly independent (meaning don't need anyone to fund them for developement). That limits your pool signifficantly. You can throw HH right out the door for example, I'm suspecting Gearbox too (IIRC people were let go and project(s) axed or at least put on hold).
Unless you think HL EP3 is taking so much time because they're finishing DNF there aren't too many self financing triple-A FPS devs. There is (or rather was) id, which aside from that I don't ever see them doing such a thing are now owned by a publisher anyway.
For the hypothetical case I think 3DR needs to scrape together enough cash to pay someone (which would have a bitter after-taste, that they should have done that effort before letting everyone go), or settle with T2 and convince them to pay a third party which T2 has enough confidence in to finish it.
This post has been edited by hornoxe: 11 February 2010 - 09:08 AM