[Never Forgotten]

There's social satire, parody, and then whatever the hell this is. I'm Christian, conservative, republican. But fuck this. THAT is not Duke. I'll break it down piece by piece.

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Gay/Punk: The aliens discovered that if Duke Nukem's masculinity is somehow shaken, he would be defeated. So we would have gay and punk aliens. And these gay, punk aliens would do the job of attacking Duke's masculinity, along with other more conventional ones. They would shoot colored projectiles that would temporarily make Duke effeminate (like a screen and sound effect) and this would physically affect him (reduced movement and resistance), as well as temporarily effeminate his voice. It would be very funny, by the way. Pigcop himself already seems to have a punk style, because of his hairstyle. All that would be missing is a punk-gay variant of him as a progressive enemy. This could be done with others, a punk-gay variant. I think it would also work on Lizman. I don't know, that ring in his nose and that little hairstyle would be an indication of that. They would have clothes or armor in pink, lilac, or both colors. The effeminacy here would be a representation of male weakness, while the punk style would be a representation of the destruction of American civilization, a kind of delinquent socialist culture.

Not much to say here other than this is horrible and would be a terrible idea. To take your logic, if they shot Duke with one of their gay lasers he'd probably just laugh it off and rip 'em a new one... pun intended.

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Feminism: Another interesting aspect would be having a female alien leader this time, like the Queen and empowered female variations of aliens. This would represent feminism. Thus, the aliens would be governed by a kind of feminist alien, representing the subjugation of men to this alien force, which Duke came to fight against. The aliens would also have a plan to replace human women with a more human version of the aliens, such as empowered hybrids, who would put human men to shame. Duke himself would encounter these empowered hybrid versions and, of course, be disgusted by them. His mission is to kill these hybrids and protect those who have not yet been contaminated. The fight against alien feminism.

I hate this. It would only add to the fire that Duke is sexist/misogynistic. Duke is by no mean a feminist/social activist, but this would be the final nail in that coffin. Your message wouldn't be that extreme feminism is detrimental to society or that men and women should be allowed to serve roles that compliment their unique abilities, but it would be the exact inverse of modern feminazism: Woman bad. Man good.

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Unwanted Immigration: This could be represented by the alien invasion itself, where they would take the place of humans on Earth, as happens in several countries in Europe, including the USA. Duke would also be a symbolic figure of combat against this invasion and replacement of the human race with a hybrid race. This would be the symbolic representation against unwanted miscegenation. The aliens would also have their own culture and religion, which in the game would attempt to replace human cultures. For most players, this religion and culture would be seen as Islam, and the aliens as Islamic invaders. It's not enough to just have an alien invasion scenario; a cultural one is essential. An alien invasion combined with a cultural invasion would be far more interesting than just an alien invasion. Cultural invasion brings a much more intense and interesting sense of rebellion to be explored and used as a symbol.

And now Duke is racist. Look, I don't think that Islam and our culture an coexist simply because they're too separate, one would have to take control and I take freedom... BUT Duke is not a soundboard for that idea, and if you did do that it would just fall on deaf ears. Duke fans don't want this, they want guns and babes.

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Geopolitics: The aliens would also have an authoritarian political regime, a clear allusion to the Chinese political regime. This alien political system would be authoritarian and similar to socialism, giving a more concrete sense of indirectly dealing with Chinese leaders. Here, Duke would be the greatest representation of American politics and nationalism, just as Superman is. Replace the green of the alien ships with red as a hidden socialist symbol to be combated. And of course, an alien symbol similar to communism. And if the green remains, then it would be like fighting against Islam.

Now you're just racist, my guy. I don't care what you agree or disagree with in another country, and I'm full on Capitalist, however this ain't it. Superman, as you compared, doesn't take American politics and nationalism to other countries and fight for America. Superman, much like Duke, fights for humanity, for freedom, the American way... WAY. Superman uses the American way to shine a light for others to follow, but he doesn't fight other countries to make his point. This is just a bad idea overall.

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Politically correct: The aliens supposedly have a culture where criticizing their social order is a crime; in other words, it's forbidden to criticize what is established by the alien government. Duke, with his iconic phrases, came to shock the alien world with his politically incorrect influence and ideas of free speech. The Duke here is the biggest source of embarrassment to alien society, as well as to humans influenced by the alien leftist culture. This will cause a great uproar among the alien elite, who would see the Duke as a symbol against the leftist order of political correctness. Duke Nukem would represent free speech.

Aliens hate Duke because he kills them, Duke hates aliens because they abduct him/steal babes/kill people/enslave humanity... NO ONE CARES ABOUT THEIR FUCKING POLITICAL ASPIRATIONS. This would just be cringy and honestly I would probably shut the game off if I hadn't already.

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Unarmed population: Another common characteristic of leftist governments. The population is prohibited from carrying weapons. Here, Duke and the rebellious humans will carry weapons, which will be seen as a great affront to the culture and politics of the aliens. Alien civilians are prohibited from carrying weapons, but seeing humans carrying weapons is criminal to them, something Duke will oppose to the end. This will be one of the greatest symbols of American freedom: the right to arm oneself against those who will take away one's freedom.

Again, what's less fun than everything else you mentioned? How about killing unarmed aliens? Or even 'innocent' aliens by that definition. I love guns, I love the freedom to own and carry guns, and the right for self defense. BUT that's not Duke. A Duke game that pauses to show the prohibition of guns, on top of everything else that's been done, would just break the pacing. If it was for a short gag, sure, but otherwise it's just dumb.

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There are enough elements of the current world to be explored as symbols to be combated by an American hero. But this hero wouldn't do it out of empathy, but because of his own ingrained American egoism, the Duke's most prominent personality trait. I believe such a game could be well-received by the fanbase, who see themselves in a world threatened by these leftist policies and in need of a worthy American hero... Duke Nukem. Or rather, an anti-hero!

Duke doesn't do EVERYTHING out of ego. Duke Nukem he was upset that Proton shut off his favorite show, sure, BUT he was determined to track Proton down and save the WORLD, not for ego but because he's a hero. 2 and 3 he was kicking ass and saving the world because it was the right thing to do. Ego was a trait established mostly in the spin offs, but exaggerated to the degree you like in Forever. Also, Duke has a mixed fanbase who would all 100% agree that this is trash.

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Then we would have a sequel that would explore against: gay culture, Marxist culture, feminism, unwanted immigration, contemporary geopolitics, politically correct and unarmed policy. What else could be explored from the current world in this hypothetical new game? What would be missing from the current world that would represent an anti-American cultural threat?

In this game, Duke would be seen as the rebirth and rescue of classic American culture against bad modern trends.

In my opinion, the next game in the franchise should not try to recreate Duke Nukem 3D, but rather be inspired by it, as a clear symbol of the fight against progressive and Marxist policies.

Would this work for a future game in the franchise?

Duke never fought for any of those things. Duke fought to save the world from alien invaders. He never fought against political agendas, just aliens who need their asses kicked. You've had a lot of terrible ideas, but this takes the cake. Do yourself a favor and stop trying, replay every Duke Nukem game and actually understand the character. God bless and good luck.

[Reaper_Man]

Now I'm really curious what this guy's AI-generated mod is going to be like, if it ever gets released, which it probably won't.

[UltravoxSapphire]

I quite frankly dread seeing it.

[dnskill]

How about Duke just kill aliens and save the world like the action movies he's inspired by like every game in the series thus far and we leave the politics out of it.

[OpenMaw]

dnskill, on 08 December 2025 - 02:43 PM, said:

How about Duke just kill aliens and save the world like the action movies he's inspired by like every game in the series thus far and we leave the politics out of it.

Sure, that'd be nice.

But even the OG stewards of Duke have their heads off mounted squarely up their own asses on social media. So it would doubtless be something that, bare minimum, would require a gate keeper on the team to keep that shit proactively out of it. The only question that should be asked is "Is this Duke Nukem?" Duke's only motivators are beer babes and ballistics, and alien bastards needing an beating for messing with the other three things on this list.

[eniojr]

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Now I'm really curious what this guy's AI-generated mod is going to be like, if it ever gets released, which it probably won't.

Look, I don't mean to be rude, but the thing is, the mod I'm making isn't AI-generated. I'm actually assembling everything script by script manually, either using my own scripts or ported but modified scripts adapted to the mod itself.

Honestly, there's been a misunderstanding about this from the beginning. I didn't use AI to copy scripts or to do everything for me; I only used it to try to understand how scripts are assembled and how each syntax should be used. That was the purpose.

Because, realistically, AI can't create entire scripts without generating compilation errors. I've been working with CON scripts for a little over a year now, and I've learned a lot since last year. In fact, I use AI much less now than I did at the beginning.

And I only use it more as a tutor, not to do everything for me!!!

I hope that clarifies things.

Furthermore, I'm using a partial fusion I made of Duke Plus and Kick-Ass because, unfortunately, in Duke Nukem 3D it's not possible to load two mods at the same time without causing serious errors (unlike Doom). The only solution is to modify both mods to see what can be added from one to the other. For example, I couldn't add the Skycar to Kick-Ass due to incompatibility. But I managed to add the Kick-Ass weapons to Duke Plus. I did this before in Legacy Edition, but I migrated to another mod because I was having some difficulties adding Duke Plus features to it.

I started by trying to add Kickass features to Dukeplus first, but it ended up with many difficult-to-fix errors. But when I did the opposite, it worked much better, and I'm almost finished with this partial merge. So much so that the mod now has the Dukeplus menu plus both functional Kickass menus. Okay, not everything in the Dukeplus menu works, but those are replaceable Dukeplus weapons that I removed in favor of Kickass weapons. But I'll see if I can manually add the gravgun and dukemon to Kickass. It'll be really fun if I manage to do it. I'm also no longer working on the Legacy Edition. Due to certain incompatibilities with Dukeplus's features that I want in my mod.

I don't know your opinion on the use of AI, but it has helped me in some way, even though I ended up learning it through a lot of trial and error.

I've also made it clear not to worry about the credits, because much of what's in this mod wasn't created by me, so I have to give proper credit. Otherwise, I'd be being unfair.

And give my mod some time to develop. I only started this about 2 years ago when I was just making maps, and about a year ago in terms of code.

There were even people who took 10 years to make one...

In its current state, I could even release it already, but it still has some bugs and I intend to add more content (apart from my own levels), so it will still take a while to finish. I'll even see if I can include that hub system, if that doesn't cause performance issues.

[eniojr]

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Sure, that'd be nice. But even the OG stewards of Duke have their heads off mounted squarely up their own asses on social media. So it would doubtless be something that, bare minimum, would require a gate keeper on the team to keep that shit proactively out of it. The only question that should be asked is "Is this Duke Nukem?" Duke's only motivators are beer babes and ballistics, and alien bastards needing an beating for messing with the other three things on this list.

I really thought Duke Nukem was more than just killing aliens and saving women... For me, Duke Nukem is a middle finger to political correctness, and I'm sure that's also true. Okay, I understand that what I said might not be ideal for a new game being developed, but it's what I realistically think Duke Nukem would be like living in our current world. Of course, if this were taken very seriously. Because that's how I imagine the game would be today, as an antagonism to progressivism.

But I still insist that a new game should explore the gameplay itself more than ultramodern graphics. Everything I said about combating modern progressive elements would be mere symbols, a "fuck you" to certain bad values. It's not that I'm racist or sexist or fascist or anything like that, but what I said just reflects what an anti-woke Duke Nukem would be like, that's a fact. He wouldn't be a hero, but an antihero who just says "fuck you" to whatever he sees as a threat.

As far as I know, Duke Nukem isn't a hero, but a renegade given a mission to fight aliens. A renegade with the mentality of a 14-year-old. He became famous for defeating Dr. Proton, but that doesn't necessarily make him a hero. It's more than clear that he's an anti-hero. This has much more to do with his personality type. Like Ben from Full Throttle. Similar attitude, same arrogance. He's not all that he's being portrayed as. He's been overrated.

But that doesn't detract from him being a fun protagonist, on the contrary...

But that's just my point of view.

A symbol doesn't have to be a superhero or a boring ethical figure. Could even be a villain!

If he's the figure against political correctness, then yes, politics ends up having a lot to do with the character (even if indirectly), especially since he's a figure who represents classic Americanism. I don't see any problem with that. For me, he should be a symbol, because for me he already is in a way, he always was. I fuckin don't care if the wokes complain about this, since it's a game made for the fanbase, not for those who criticize protagonists like Duke. At least I have the courage (or audacity) to say that.

I've been told to let Duke be who he is, but I'm by no means saying he should be something he's not, since he's already an anti-politically correct figure. And if he is like that, YES, he's anti-woke. If you're against political correctness, you're automatically anti-woke. Because being woke is precisely being an unbearable politically correct person that wants you to swallow everything they dictates as right and I'm sure Duke would just say "fuck you" to them.

I'm absolutely certain that someone with Duke's profile would be anti-woke, to say the least, even if they don't say so.

If he was against political correctness in the 90s, it wouldn't be any different today, of course, if the game followed exactly the logic of Duke Nukem 3D and not like it was in DNF. And no, I didn't like the fact that in DNF his ego was explored more than the game's gameplay itself. That was a mistake and one of the things that made DNF feel awful. It wasn't what I expected from that game for so many years. A symbol doesn't need to have such an ego that it deserves to be revered in a game, as was in DNF.

I expected great gameplay, not this exaggerated ego.

Another thing I'll insist on. Yes, the next Duke Nukem game should have him as an anti-woke symbol (albeit in a more veiled way), since he is and was a representation against political correctness in the past. Not as an ethical superhero (that would never suit him), but precisely as the renegade, masculinized anti-hero he always was, who occasionally makes jokes with enemies and easter eggs. He doesn't need to make clear and direct attacks, but to give intelligent and sarcastic hints.

I want Duke as I've always seen him, not as an ethical hero or modified to be compatible with the current generation, but EXACTLY as he always was.

I hope I've clarified things.

[UltravoxSapphire]

No, no, no, by all accounts no. Every last thing in this post is incorrect. Everything from the black and whiteness of 'woke vs. anti-woke' you try to present, to your continued assertion that Duke has always been anti-woke and politically incorrect (or politically anything for that matter), to your insistence that adding idiotic and inflammatory political commentary into a series it doesn't belong in is acceptable (and only ever acceptable when it owns the libz), to your idea of Duke having "the mentality of a 14 year old" (which, might I add, clashes with your dislike for Duke's characterization in DNF, which precisely fits that description), all of it is laughably and demonstrably wrong.

I award you no points.

[dnskill]

Duke watches Oprah, and saved Bill Clinton in Duke It Out in DC. He's woke.

[eniojr]

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No, no, no, by all accounts no. Every last thing in this post is incorrect. Everything from the black and whiteness of 'woke vs. anti-woke' you try to present, to your continued assertion that Duke has always been anti-woke and politically incorrect (or politically anything for that matter), to your insistence that adding idiotic and inflammatory political commentary into a series it doesn't belong in is acceptable (and only ever acceptable when it owns the libz), to your idea of Duke having "the mentality of a 14 year old" (which, might I add, clashes with your dislike for Duke's characterization in DNF, which precisely fits that description), all of it is laughably and demonstrably wrong.

But Duke IS politically incorrect! Macho, womanizer, strongman, sarcastic... Everything that is contrary to what is valued today. Well, I've always seen Duke this way, and it's not just me saying that; many people will say the same. What I'm saying here is based on how I interpret the protagonist and also on what many have said about him in the past, so I'm not making anything up.

And I repeat, a future game could certainly criticize woke culture without any problem, as long as it's done subtly, without seeming ridiculous, through sarcastic jokes, like Duke does. It would be quite funny. I'd buy it!

But I know Gearbox would never want to do something like that. Because they themselves are part of the woke crowd who are imprisoning Duke.

And I'm not making inflammatory speeches here, I'm just saying what a future game in the franchise would be like if it were truly faithful to Duke's image, without adaptations for the current generation. What it would be like in a raw and unfiltered way. Without mincing words. It's just a certainty of mine, and not an attempt to make anti-woke speeches here. Especially since it doesn't make sense, as this community is clearly anti-woke. And I like that.

Don't try to make me look ridiculous.

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Duke watches Oprah, and saved Bill Clinton in Duke It Out in DC. He's woke.

So what if he watches Oprah? That doesn't make him a real woke person. Being woke has nothing to do with Duke's image, which is the complete opposite. Do I like the song YMCA and am I woke because of that? No!

I've even seen woke people harshly criticizing Duke. So no, certainly not. I'm secure of that.

Being woke is about embodying a whole set of things that make you that way, like being against: conservatism, capitalism, Christianity... being against white heterosexual men, against womanizer muscular men, against the traditional family model, calling anyone who disagrees with you a fascist, openly defending LGBT causes, things like that.

Woke loves weak and submissive man, which Duke certainly isn't.

Yes, he saved Bill Clinton, but because he was president of the US and couldn't refuse, not as a soldier or agent. A figure who saves humanity from aliens and be proud to be American would refuse to save the president? No.

Regardless of who it was, he was the president of the United States, and therefore he has to be saved, point.

But I insist, the profile of a woke person has nothing to do with Duke's image. I am absolutely certain of that.

It simply doesn't fit! It would be ridiculous if it did.

I'm not trying to put anyone down here, but some of the things people say make me think... oh my god...

[ck3D]

But do you think you could handle a game in which in order to win and be a hero, Duke has to work every realistic step up a PhD in sociology? It could be divided in many episodes and comprise all of the keycards.

[UltravoxSapphire]

eniojr, on 10 December 2025 - 03:00 PM, said:

Don't try to make me look ridiculous.

I don't need to.

[dnskill]

eniojr, on 10 December 2025 - 03:00 PM, said:

But I insist, the profile of a woke person has nothing to do with Duke's image. I am absolutely certain of that.

From Duke Nukem Does the Internet in 1996:

Duke Nukem said:

Usenet is also a back alley for all kinds of riffraff looking for an inexpensive way to share their brain disease with the world. Partly because Usenet has a long pro-free speech history, partly because it's cheap to use and hard to track, Usenet newsgroups have become one of the favorite communication devices for Nazi sympathizers, racists, gay-bashers, anarchists, terrorist advocates, druggies, and black marketeers.

Some of these nut jobs start their own newsgroups and fill them up with goof-ball propaganda. These newsgroups are often more of an outlet for insanity than anything else. The guys I'd really like to see drop-kicked over Der Fuehrer's grave are the ones who bust into any newsgroup they want and start screaming their crap in all-capital letters. These thugs are lucky I'm busy taking down alien goon squads.

[Ninety-Six]

dnskill, on 10 December 2025 - 05:12 PM, said:

Duke Nukem Does the Internet

wtf is this, where did it come from, and how did we get this and not Why I'm So Great

[eniojr]

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From Duke Nukem Does the Internet in 1996: Usenet is also a back alley for all kinds of riffraff looking for an inexpensive way to share their brain disease with the world. Partly because Usenet has a long pro-free speech history, partly because it's cheap to use and hard to track, Usenet newsgroups have become one of the favorite communication devices for Nazi sympathizers, racists, gay-bashers, anarchists, terrorist advocates, druggies, and black marketeers.

Some of these nut jobs start their own newsgroups and fill them up with goof-ball propaganda. These newsgroups are often more of an outlet for insanity than anything else. The guys I'd really like to see drop-kicked over Der Fuehrer's grave are the ones who bust into any newsgroup they want and start screaming their crap in all-capital letters. These thugs are lucky I'm busy taking down alien goon squads.

I'll tell you one thing... This really annoyed me, seriously.

And what does that have to do with me? I don't even use Usenet! And no... I have serious criticisms regarding those specific groups.

Don't compare me to those groups... That's offensive and borders on an ad hominem attack. Don't compare me to that trash! I don't do that to anyone here, so I ask for a minimum of respect. I don't know what's going on in some of your heads (regarding some here who demonstrate clear intolerance and disrespect), but what I've been seeing here is a huge amount of intolerance for some time now, I don't know why.

If it's because of the mod I'm making, then screw it, I don't care. I'll do whatever I want in my mod.

I only showed my point of view and arguments based on Duke's profile, and you're already coming at me with dirty attack. You seem like a bunch of fanatics or something.

If this continues, I'm going to start having a very bad impression of this community. And I'm serious. You have been warned.

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But do you think you could handle a game in which in order to win and be a hero, Duke has to work every realistic step up a PhD in sociology? It could be divided in many episodes and comprise all of the keycards.

No, I didn't say that. What I said was that Duke should make some subtle jokes about the woke theme and that there should be some indirect symbolism that refers to this theme, like a critique of the politically correct attitudes of our times. That's what I meant from the beginning, but it seems nobody understood it. You don't need a degree in sociology to understand that! Everything could be done subtly, without being so blatant. Hey, doesn't Duke 3D have indirect references like that? Why not in a future game, but just with a different approach?

Do you understand now?

I don't care, I know many here are afraid of a future game in the franchise. I don't care, as long as the protagonist's image isn't distorted. I don't care if it's Gearbox or another company, as long as it's a great game that keeps the spirit of Duke alive. For many here, Duke is like a bigger myth than his own creators, but I approach it realistically... He's just the protagonist of a fun franchise and nothing more. I think that's why some people here start getting annoyed when I start talking about Duke, because of this kind of fanaticism.

I know Duke really stood out back then, and that left a mark, even on me! But let's be realistic, he's nothing more than a character. There's no reason for attacks like that. I know some of you identify with that character, but... let's be realistic.

I really don't understand all this nervousness and hysteria. C'MON!

Honestly, I've had enough of this subject here.

You know... There's no point in giving ideas or opinions here because some people don't respect that here. I expected a more intelligent community, but from what I see, that doesn't seem to be the case. Do you think I don't notice when I'm being attacked? Do you think I'm retarded? I hope you all think carefully about this. You're not dealing with an idiot. I may not be familiar with everything about the franchise, but that doesn't make me an idiot, and there's no reason for me to be treated this way.

These dirty attacks show the level of idiocy and fanatism on the part of some people here.

Arrogance and intolerance run rampant in this community and this has surprised me, in the worst possible way.

Some bad people here are trying to undermine my reputation based on my responses. But I'll say this... The reputation of this community, in my opinion, isn't the best, and I wouldn't recommend it to others for discussions, based on certain attacks I've been receiving. On the contrary, I would even issue a warning about intolerance. I don't care about the reputation aspect, I couldn't care less, but be aware of this.

If my reputation is tarnished solely because of my ideas and opinions, then things are going from bad to worse here.

Honestly, I'm saddened by this. It could have been different.

Just to finish this post and get back to the topic. Yes, I think the next game in the franchise should have some subtle critiques of certain things in the modern world. Otherwise, it will just be another modernized repetition of DNF or D3D. Period.

So that's it, I have better things to do.

Because I'm really annoyed hell!!!

[dnskill]

eniojr, on 10 December 2025 - 06:54 PM, said:

If this continues, I'm going to start having a very bad impression of this community. And I'm serious. You have been warned.

Those were Duke's own words from 1996. Now you're offended by Duke because he's woke?

[Reaper_Man]

Oh no, he figured out how to use forum colors.

[Dr.Panico]

eniojr, on 10 December 2025 - 06:54 PM, said:

Because I'm really annoyed hell!!!

Oh hai, annoyed hell! I'm Dr. Panico!


But to be serious for a moment, no one is arguing here that you're part of any those bad groups. They just don't want to see the same crap that's been done to multiple franchises in the past few years - shoving politics and political commentary where they don't belong.
Why do people keep insisting in making Duke political? When it's not this, it's the "Duke supports trans rights" crap from one of the DNF restos. Can we just NOT make Duke a parrot for your political beliefs? He's just a tribute to 80s action heroes that loves kicking alien butt and saving babes. End of story. If you're in such need to make political commentary through boomer-shooter protagonists, the Postal franchise is right over there.
We've been just trying to make you see what the Duke Nukem franchise is all about; from the perspective of people who grew up with the franchise, contributed to it over the years, and saw it falling from grace due to clueless writing and lack of direction that plagued DNF.

You don't have to agree with this and, at the end of the day, I guess you're free to do what you want with your mod. Just don't pretend it's going to be a faithful representation of what Duke IS, instead of what YOU WANT it to be.

[ck3D]

Reaper_Man, on 11 December 2025 - 07:42 AM, said:

Oh no, he figured out how to use forum colors.

Maybe an admin could make those actual, directly clickable icons when formatting a post.

[Never Forgotten]

dnskill, on 10 December 2025 - 05:12 PM, said:

From Duke Nukem Does the Internet in 1996:

The only problem here is that it wasn't written for official use. I don't see Duke on either side, but I do think he'd be against hate in general. That doesn't make him woke, but he isn't woke nor anti-woke. Duke is Duke. He cares about his babes, his guns, freedom, and his action movies. He doesn't really care about anything else, thus far. He likes to save the world, he loves babes, his loves his guns. He's too left to be right and too right to be left. But Duke doesn't care about politics, he just wants to kick ass, chew gum (unless he's out), pump iron, and watch awesome movies. It shouldn't be more complicated than that, left right, middle or not, Duke just wants to stop aliens form interrupting his R&R. THAT should be the basis of a game, Duke is on a much needed vacayion and aliens attack. Boom. New story. The story should be as simple as that, the gameplay should be the focus. Interactive and kickass.

[dnskill]

Oh I agree 100%. I'm just eniojring back at eniojr with that.

[eniojr]

I apologize if I was so hysterical, but I really couldn't swallow that absurd response, and it really irritated me, so I ended up taking it out on everything else.

You know what... If the community doesn't like the idea of ​​Duke Nukem as a symbol against certain policies, to the point that it caused aggressive responses, do the following... Let it go. Besides, for me, that's not even the most important thing for the franchise.

But still, in a future game in the series, I'd like it to have a more futuristic feel, like DN2 and DN1, bringing back, at least in part, the setting of those APOGEE games, but in 3D, in a more modern engine, like the one used in DNF. At least bring a new plot to the game, so it doesn't become repetitive. It would also be interesting if effects like those in Duke Nukem Manhattan Project were used.

Would a new villain besides Dr. Proton and Cycloid Emperor be worthwhile? With a whole new army of different aliens?

I believe a new formula of that type is necessary. As well as more interactivity with objects, monitors, and other things to add realism.

Duke Nukem 3D has so many cool mods... I think the core idea of ​​some of them could be useful in developing a new game, mods like Legacy, AA, AMC, Kickass, and others.

Who knows, maybe even something from Ion Fury could be used as well as an inspiration!

Now I'm going back to developing my mod, as there are still some bugs to fix before moving on to the next development phase. And it's actually turning out pretty good!

[Ninety-Six]

eniojr, on 12 December 2025 - 09:43 AM, said:

Would a new villain besides Dr. Proton and Cycloid Emperor be worthwhile? With a whole new army of different aliens?

I'm actually fully in support of Duke fighting new villains. Maybe not even aliens all the time. Mutants, robots, and other comic book-like antagonists. Duke was inspired by 90s comics, so having a regularly rotating cast of villains much like his inspiration makes a lot of sense.

[Reaper_Man]

It's the environment for me. I think it was Civvie who said something to the effect of Duke3D taking place in this futuristic version of the urban decay of the 70s and 80s, so it's just neon filth and grime. I never really loved Manhattan Project because it felt too clean. Same with Vegas in DNF really. When I think of Duke in NYC, I want to see 42nd street in 1989. The texture work and art direction of Duke3D is just gross in a way the later games don't really capture, with the exception of Time to Kill. That one really nailed it.

[Futuretime23]

Reaper_Man, on 13 December 2025 - 02:27 PM, said:

It's the environment for me. I think it was Civvie who said something to the effect of Duke3D taking place in this futuristic version of the urban decay of the 70s and 80s, so it's just neon filth and grime. I never really loved Manhattan Project because it felt too clean. Same with Vegas in DNF really. When I think of Duke in NYC, I want to see 42nd street in 1989. The texture work and art direction of Duke3D is just gross in a way the later games don't really capture, with the exception of Time to Kill. That one really nailed it.

I know it's unfinished, but wdyt of the texture work and art direction of DNF01?

[Phredreeke]

eniojr, on 07 December 2025 - 02:23 PM, said:

Unarmed population: Another common characteristic of leftist governments. The population is prohibited from carrying weapons. Here, Duke and the rebellious humans will carry weapons, which will be seen as a great affront to the culture and politics of the aliens. Alien civilians are prohibited from carrying weapons, but seeing humans carrying weapons is criminal to them, something Duke will oppose to the end. This will be one of the greatest symbols of American freedom: the right to arm oneself against those who will take away one's freedom.

So... uhhh... what are the gay and muslim aliens supposed to attack Duke with? buttplugs and prayer rugs?

[Reaper_Man]

Futuretime23, on 13 December 2025 - 07:47 PM, said:

I know it's unfinished, but wdyt of the texture work and art direction of DNF01?

I'm honestly not very familiar with all of the early or leaked or pre-release versions of DNF, so I'm afraid I don't have an answer.

[Mike Norvak]

Reaper_Man, on 11 December 2025 - 07:42 AM, said:

Oh no, he figured out how to use forum colors.

I told you all, eniojr is an advanced AI.

eniojr, on 10 December 2025 - 03:00 PM, said:

But Duke IS politically incorrect! Macho, womanizer, strongman, sarcastic...

It’s viewed that way by modern standards (because of the source material he’s inspired by or parodying) more than it was in the nineties or would have been in the fifties. But it’s not politically incorrect per se. It’s like saying Aristotle is politically incorrect because he supported slavery...

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Usenet is also a back alley for all kinds of riffraff looking for an inexpensive way to share their brain disease with the world. Partly because Usenet has a long pro-free speech history, partly because it's cheap to use and hard to track, Usenet newsgroups have become one of the favorite communication devices for Nazi sympathizers, racists, gay-bashers, anarchists, terrorist advocates, druggies, and black marketeers.

Some of these nut jobs start their own newsgroups and fill them up with goof-ball propaganda. These newsgroups are often more of an outlet for insanity than anything else. The guys I'd really like to see drop-kicked over Der Fuehrer's grave are the ones who bust into any newsgroup they want and start screaming their crap in all-capital letters. These thugs are lucky I'm busy taking down alien goon squads.

In defense of Duke Nukem this is not woke. In the 90's words still had definitive meanings.

[Never Forgotten]

eniojr, on 12 December 2025 - 09:43 AM, said:

I apologize if I was so hysterical, but I really couldn't swallow that absurd response, and it really irritated me, so I ended up taking it out on everything else.

You know what... If the community doesn't like the idea of ​​Duke Nukem as a symbol against certain policies, to the point that it caused aggressive responses, do the following... Let it go. Besides, for me, that's not even the most important thing for the franchise.

But still, in a future game in the series, I'd like it to have a more futuristic feel, like DN2 and DN1, bringing back, at least in part, the setting of those APOGEE games, but in 3D, in a more modern engine, like the one used in DNF. At least bring a new plot to the game, so it doesn't become repetitive. It would also be interesting if effects like those in Duke Nukem Manhattan Project were used.

Would a new villain besides Dr. Proton and Cycloid Emperor be worthwhile? With a whole new army of different aliens?

I believe a new formula of that type is necessary. As well as more interactivity with objects, monitors, and other things to add realism.

Duke Nukem 3D has so many cool mods... I think the core idea of ​​some of them could be useful in developing a new game, mods like Legacy, AA, AMC, Kickass, and others.

Who knows, maybe even something from Ion Fury could be used as well as an inspiration!

Now I'm going back to developing my mod, as there are still some bugs to fix before moving on to the next development phase. And it's actually turning out pretty good!

I'm fully 100% onboard for new enemies, I actually think DNF's main issue if the fact that they gave up on the enemies they designed for '98 and '01, I think they had more potential than just reusing 3D's enemies. I would love to see Duke face off against new aliens, and kick their asses. I wish you luck on your mod, I know there's been some tension with the use of AI for the scripting, but that ain't easy and I hope that using it to train you has helped out. I know you have love for the character, and I'm really curious to see how your mod turns out. Don't give up. Duke needs fans, right or wrong, Duke needs fans.