[Jimmy]

 Hendricks266, on 27 July 2020 - 11:48 AM, said:

We'll see how the next few weeks and months play out. Being aware of trends and taking advance preparation is being responsible, not alarmism, and any competent doctor will tell you how preventative measures are worth far more than treatment after the fact.

Doctors are more interested in selling pharmaceuticals than anything else.

 Hendricks266, on 27 July 2020 - 11:48 AM, said:

Speaking of, when the government learned about the Wuhan outbreak in January the correct thing to do would have been immediately ramp up development and production of testing so that we could screen everyone when they enter the country at a border or airport.

>implying implications

No one even knew what the virus was at this point, except for the CCP. The smart thing to have done would have been to bar anyone from entering the country.

 Hendricks266, on 27 July 2020 - 11:48 AM, said:

This is what countries experienced with SARS did.

Well they made that too. LOL

 Hendricks266, on 27 July 2020 - 11:48 AM, said:

Later, the government stockpiled a bunch of a drug (hydroxychloroquine) which doesn't actually work, but Trump still profited from.

[CITATION NEEDED]

 Hendricks266, on 27 July 2020 - 11:48 AM, said:

Typical Breitbart spinning something in the worst way possible. Leaving out negative results, whether intentionally or through clerical error, inflates the percentages, but does not hide the actual infected count itself. The only conclusion you draw from a high positive percentage is that you need to test way more people to actually understand how and to whom the contagion is spreading.

How do we even know the tests work? LMAO

 Hendricks266, on 27 July 2020 - 11:48 AM, said:

Agreed that bureaucracy sucks. Could you elaborate on what you mean about LASIK regarding bureaucracy and commercialization? I searched and found information about its history but not the point you're making.

It's a free market.

[Hendricks266]

Well, dang. So much for rational discussion. Let's just settle for the Gish Gallop instead.

[Jimmy]

>implying it's irrational so you don't have to respond

goatse goes here

[Forge]

 /Defiatron\, on 27 July 2020 - 12:22 PM, said:

>implying it's irrational so you don't have to respond

goatse goes here

agree
i was reading and collecting information for my own digestion.

i'm not going to participate and talk out of my ass.
The only thing I know is that testing recently increased by over 500%, but death rates have remained the same for the last few months.

of course big pharma is going to make a killing off of this, and the politicians are going to get their revised version of the patriot act with which they can take away more of our rights and freedoms.

[Aristotle Gumball]

 Hendricks266, on 27 July 2020 - 12:21 PM, said:

Well, dang. So much for rational discussion.

 Hendricks266, on 24 July 2020 - 09:50 AM, said:

Jimmy, Radar, and Forge have each done more for Duke individually than you ever have.

Don't you think these respected veterans of the Duke4 community deserve better than such a careless dismissal?

[Forge]

 Cartaphilus, on 27 July 2020 - 12:36 PM, said:

Don't you think these respected veterans of the Duke4 community deserve better than such a careless dismissal?

[Hendricks266]

 /Defiatron\, on 27 July 2020 - 12:22 PM, said:

>implying it's irrational so you don't have to respond

goatse goes here

 Cartaphilus, on 27 July 2020 - 12:36 PM, said:

Don't you think these respected veterans of the Duke4 community deserve better than such a careless dismissal?

In order, Jimmy's post consists of:

• unfalsifiable claim
  
• false claim + opinion on methods
  
• unsubstantiated claim
  
• questioning my claim, fairly
  
• false claim
  
• declining an invitation to elaborate

Therefore my response is warranted when you compare this post to what came before it.

Inb4 you ask me why we don't ban him if he posts this way. Why should we? The thread is not derailed. No spamming took place. No incivility was directed toward anyone personally. I see no need for punitive measures. My reply is sufficient.

[Jimmy]

 Hendricks266, on 27 July 2020 - 12:59 PM, said:

My reply is sufficient.

[CITATION NEEDED]

[Aristotle Gumball]

[The Battlelord]

Assuming that the number of dead persons is really counted for death by covid-19 only (and NO other things), are those numbers real?I am from europe and i live in a little city, i heard about 60-70 infected back then, but i know no-one of them, exception 1 person that went to hospital and returned at his home after 1 month, coincidence that same person always had political contacts, so i have to assume that it really was for covid-19?

Honestly, since day one, even the timing is too much perfect for this virus, if we do a step back, pratically it happened during the Wolrd Military Games, what a perfect chance for a virus.

May i ask if you guys know someone who got infected? Because to me looks like they are just ghosts and normal deaths are being counted as covid-19.

Personally, to me sound like a political maneuver, they want you to stay at home, on the internet and spend money for something you'll never need normally.

In what we can trust and what no?

[Forge]

 Hendricks266, on 27 July 2020 - 11:48 AM, said:

the government stockpiled a bunch of a drug (hydroxychloroquine) which doesn't actually work

the mental gymnastics on this bit of your statement


about a dozen factories produce hydroxychloroquine. It's been produced and circulated for around 65 years and is pretty much the opposite of big pharma.

there are more research tests showing positive results than negative or non-results.
Big pharma controls the narrative.

[Jimmy]

 The Battlelord, on 27 July 2020 - 01:26 PM, said:

May i ask if you guys know someone who got infected? Because to me looks like they are just ghosts and normal deaths are being counted as covid-19.

I know one guy who got a positive test result. He lives in NYC. He said it was like having a cold.

EDIT: No, this wasn't PoC.

[Danukem]

 The Battlelord, on 27 July 2020 - 01:26 PM, said:

May i ask if you guys know someone who got infected? Because to me looks like they are just ghosts and normal deaths are being counted as covid-19.

I have acquaintances who have tested positive, but of course that doesn't prove that it's not a conspiracy.

But how do you explain the increase in hospitalizations, and hospitals getting overwhelmed in some areas to the point where they are stacking bodies or storing them out back in refrigerated trucks? That doesn't sound like any flu season that I'm aware of. Also if you look at the overall numbers of deaths, they have increased substantially over the previous year: https://www.foxnews....s-study-reveals

First news link that came up happened to be Fox, but you can find that story elsewhere.

[Forge]

The average number of deaths in the US a day attributed specifically to covid19 is between 600 and 1000
it's been like that since the end of May


https://virusncov.co...-statistics/usa

[The Battlelord]

 Danukem, on 27 July 2020 - 01:41 PM, said:

I have acquaintances who have tested positive, but of course that doesn't prove that it's not a conspiracy.

But how do you explain the increase in hospitalizations, and hospitals getting overwhelmed in some areas to the point where they are stacking bodies or storing them out back in refrigerated trucks? That doesn't sound like any flu season that I'm aware of. Also if you look at the overall numbers of deaths, they have increased substantially over the previous year: https://www.foxnews....s-study-reveals

First news link that came up happened to be Fox, but you can find that story elsewhere.

I think to know what you mean, trying to be rational and neutral, people think that there are too much coincidences and maybe nothing is really happening, at the same time will also think that there are always some trakcs that shows something is really happening, and obviously stay away from there.

How to explain? We common mortals can't, as the only safe(not in every sense) tool we have is internet, but since even it became full of lies (expecially now) we have to move carefully like if we are walking in an annoying minefield.
It really feel like to live in a huge cage where everyone can watch but cannot do anything.

[Forge]

i believe covid 19 is a contagious virus
i don't believe it's as dangerous as certain elected government authoritarians, big pharma, and main stream media would like me to think it is

[Radar]

 Hendricks266, on 27 July 2020 - 12:59 PM, said:

Dude you're not even European. Who is this referring to? Literally every European I talk to just says "school shootings and muh free healthcare". That's more than what gemeaux333 even said.

[Hank]

 Hendricks266, on 27 July 2020 - 12:59 PM, said:

I grew up in Europe, Germany. In my neighborhood (labour class and 100% socialist) I was the only one pro American. Still have the scars in my face to proof how polite Europeans are with differing opinions. The image should be reversed!

[Hendricks266]

Don't read too far into that image, it was responding to a half-assed post with a shitpost, because Duke. I didn't make it.

 Cartaphilus, on 27 July 2020 - 01:13 PM, said:

snip

I like to say that with regard to free speech, on Duke4.net you have the freedom to shoot yourself in the foot. Congratulations for demonstrating to the world that you are a creep.

You do not however have the right to shoot others, in the feet or otherwise. I forbid you to post any photographs of me on any platform, under penalty of immediate ban.

Note to others, I recall mention of this user engaging in stalking and death threats in another thread. If you still find these objectionable, or regarding future posts, please use the report feature.

[Jimmy]

I don't even have a problem with the "blow it out your ass." You're not going to change your mind.

[High Treason]

To weigh in on a few things, merely because I'm bored rather than to actually add anything;

> Drunk driving should carry a similar penalty as attempted murder. People already drive bad enough when they're sober.

> Free/universal healthcare is a lie. It's only free if you're willing to pay them to perform whatever free treatment you need - in short you see a doctor for "free" (paid for by your taxes, mostly to treat health tourists rather than you), he'll give you a piece of paper with 20 pills you don't need and have to pay for, while the service pays him a bonus for each one prescribed, and if you need a procedure performed, a board has to review it and will almost always come back saying you have to pay in full. The difference is, you go to the back of a long list, whereas if you go private, you get seen straight away and they don't pretend it's free. I've had NHS doctors tell me to come back when I'm dead before because 'treating this costs money and we're not interested'.

> Viruses come and go, there's nothing you can do about it, it's just that we've lived in an unusually peaceful and healthy time. The world is inherently dangerous, you could choke to death on your next sandwich, fall on the stairway or get hit by a bus (maybe the driver was drunk). Stop freaking out over it and get on with it. Sick of all this nanny crap, you can't even paint your damn walls properly now because some idiot asphyxiated on paint fumes, so now we all have to use shitty water-based paint that doesn't take, we're told it helps the environment but you have to use so much more of the damn stuff and the tubs are plastic, so that's great for landfill.

> Posting what photos? If they've been on a public board, they're public information now, sorry. I'd post them if I had them.
- to clarify, if the image originated from a private conversation or something, then yeah, posting it is out of line, of course.

[Forge]

 High Treason, on 27 July 2020 - 06:53 PM, said:

> Posting what photos? If they've been on a public board, they're public information now, sorry. I'd post them if I had them.
- to clarify, if the image originated from a private conversation or something, then yeah, posting it is out of line, of course.

'tis the midnight dance of the loons

loon 1 is sick of everyone's shit, but tolerates it up to a certain point.
loon 2 wants to annoy everyone and test the limits of "freedom" that this forum enjoys
once loon 2 finds that boundary and gets thrown out by loon 1, loon 2 will go waddling back to it's little flock at the socialist nest, cry 'hypocrite!' fowl, and encourage all it's looner comrades to show up, throw bricks, and crap on statues.

[Jimmy]

 High Treason, on 27 July 2020 - 06:53 PM, said:

> Drunk driving should carry a similar penalty as attempted murder. People already drive bad enough when they're sober.

This is absolutely retarded. No crime has been committed.

[Danukem]

 /Defiatron\, on 27 July 2020 - 07:56 PM, said:

This is absolutely retarded. No crime has been committed.

Neither is retarded. You can have a system that only punishes when there is a bad outcome, you can have a system that punishes behavior that has a tendency to lead to bad outcomes, or you can have a system that punishes both. The problem with only punishing bad outcomes is that a lot of people refuse to believe that they are a danger to others. They think they can still drive safely when drunk. For those people, only punishing bad outcomes does not have a deterrent effect.

[Jimmy]

Uber/Lyft have done more in ~10 years than DUI enforcement has in ~30, without the negatives associated with DUI enforcement: police harassing innocent people, police using it as an excuse for harassing minorities, innumerable police killings that have arisen from pullovers, etc

[Danukem]

 /Defiatron\, on 27 July 2020 - 08:11 PM, said:

Uber/Lyft have done more in ~10 years than DUI enforcement has in ~30, without the negatives associated with DUI enforcement: police harassing innocent people, police using it as an excuse for harassing minorities, innumerable police killings that have arisen from pullovers, etc

It's possible to support police reform and simultaneously be for limits on blood alcohol levels when driving. Anyway, I'm just saying that restricting alcohol consumption for drivers is not retarded, I'm not saying that our current system is perfect. EDIT: I would agree that drunk driving penalty being equivalent to attempted murder is pretty extreme, though.

[Jimmy]

Making the penalty the same as attempted murder when nothing else happened is retarded.

[Danukem]

 /Defiatron\, on 27 July 2020 - 08:22 PM, said:

Making the penalty the same as attempted murder when nothing else happened is retarded.

UNLESS...

You also make the penalty for attempted murder a slap on the wrist! After all, NO CRIME WAS COMMITTED (only an attempted crime).

This was not a serious post. Going back to coding now.

[Jimmy]

Why is trying to murder someone not a crime? LMAO

[High Treason]

 /Defiatron\, on 27 July 2020 - 07:56 PM, said:

This is absolutely retarded. No crime has been committed.

Come back to me on that when people you care about die because of some retard who got behind the wheel drunk. I don't really care if it's alcohol, drugs (medicinal or recreational), age or simply that someone has poor perception in general, if you're not fit to drive then don't be a selfish prick and don't put everyone else in danger because you can't act responsibly.
What's next? You're gonna tell me you'd be fine with some meth head running around waving guns at people? Probably not, because he's not fit to wield them in that situation any more than he's fit to drive (and I'm pro gun, before you start), a line simply has to be drawn somewhere.
Do what you want on your own property, that's nobody's business. If you want to down a whole fridge worth of booze and operate your bandsaw, go ahead, but don't take a multiple ton machine out onto the public roads and put everyone else at risk because of your idiotic behavior, and don't expect sympathy when you wind up hurting yourself or losing your privileges to operate that machine again. Of course here, if you injured yourself, you'd get priority in the healthcare system, because they always put drunks towards the front of the line. If you get arrested for it, you'll get pushed even further up the line. If you're not native and especially if you tick the other two boxes too, then you go right to the front of the line.