[Jimmy]

They hate us and they're doing it on purpose.

[Aristotle Gumball]

I only got the vax because my wife's job forced her (and I won't let her do stupid things by herself). They don't allow tests anymore. But yeah man. I think it's simple Darwinian selection, really. All the people who rocked the boat got imprisoned/killed and didn't pass on their genes. Over a long enough time period, that will completely pacify the population. I don't think media brainwashing is effective enough to account for all of it.

Then there's also the "disappearing male" effect. Testosterone rates have been dropping in the West for decades. Some say it's because of older fathers passing on mutated sperm (which is inherited by the son), which also might account for the increasing rates of autism, etc.

Oh, and IQs are dropping as well. Not because of migration. It's happening within families.

We might just be reaching the end of a natural cycle.

[Sangman]

Avenger, on 29 October 2021 - 04:01 PM, said:

Not sure what part of the definition of insanity many governments simply don't understand.

"Let's continue to force lockdowns/mandates indefinitely for the entire populace despite already having done so several times in an ongoing basis and forcing experimental improperly tested/trialed "emergency" drugs on people that we promised would change things."

You know, because it's had such a profound positive impact on the economy, freedom of choice, mankinds standard of living and overall mental health.

For some more context, here's a graph of the evolution of the number of ICU beds occupied by COVID patients here (source)



There is a notable uptick in the last month or so, which I assume was the reasoning behind tightening some things again. I can get that but then I don't really follow what the overall strategy is. Last year, during those first waves there was significant enough pressure on the national hospital system to warrant stay-at-home orders. The situation now is different: there is an increase but nowhere near the levels we saw last year and given that a majority of the region is vaccinated by now it seems unlikely that we'll get anywhere close to that either.

So it's looking like our government has moved the goalpost from "don't let the hospital resources fall apart" to "we don't want anyone on the ICU anymore" or something. In the coming months I think we can expect calls to vaccinate a third time and to start vaccinating kids below 12. It's not a great time.

[Aristotle Gumball]

https://www.covid19a...rs-open-letter/

https://www.express....r-boris-johnson

In case anyone still thinks that all this is based solely on medical advice.

Bonus: https://www.wsj.com/...ons-11616590563

[Avenger]

Sangman, on 30 October 2021 - 02:36 PM, said:

For some more context, here's a graph of the evolution of the number of ICU beds occupied by COVID patients here (source)



There is a notable uptick in the last month or so, which I assume was the reasoning behind tightening some things again. I can get that but then I don't really follow what the overall strategy is. Last year, during those first waves there was significant enough pressure on the national hospital system to warrant stay-at-home orders. The situation now is different: there is an increase but nowhere near the levels we saw last year and given that a majority of the region is vaccinated by now it seems unlikely that we'll get anywhere close to that either.

So it's looking like our government has moved the goalpost from "don't let the hospital resources fall apart" to "we don't want anyone on the ICU anymore" or something. In the coming months I think we can expect calls to vaccinate a third time and to start vaccinating kids below 12. It's not a great time.

The problem is that you can't verify the validity of this data. Governments have been caught on several occasions fudging the numbers of filled ICU beds/cases/deaths by numerous means. A couple prominant ones are diagnosing essentially all influenza over the past 2 years as the china virus as well as completely non related illnesses to drive up numbers. Then you have many governments still heavily utilizing PCR tests which have a demonstrably proven high false positive rate. The same goes for every new “wave" that the average person has no means to verify is actually a different strain from what the china virus started as or how much worse it apparently is than the last one.

Then you have doctors/virologists with the same if not more credentials as the ones directly employed by said governments acting as the vocal point for what is allegedly taking place that are immediately silenced and cancelled if they don't tow the line of the narrative governments with the support of the media that they subsidize want projected.

When literally every single libtard/left wing news cast starts with "shocking" case numbers for said state/country without adding context of what percentage of the population and demographics that is, the numbers are essentially useless. It’s nothing more than bullshit fear mongering to fuel the propaganda machine and instill blind compliance.

It's a complete joke.

[jkas789]

Avenger, on 29 October 2021 - 04:01 PM, said:

Anyone still trying to argue that this is about a cold and not a wealth transfer to eliminate the middle class and identify "dissidents" that aren't communist yes boys is either logically braindead or choicefully ignorant.

Here is my take. It started being about COVID then politicians/companies realized they could get their cake and eat it too.

Regarding this:

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"Let's continue to force lockdowns/mandates indefinitely for the entire populace despite already having done so several times in an ongoing basis and forcing experimental improperly tested/trialed "emergency" drugs on people that we promised would change things."

And this:

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In the coming months I think we can expect calls to vaccinate a third time and to start vaccinating kids below 12. It's not a great time.

In my admittedly biased opinion as a doctor, the problem is that for whatever reason (pick your poison) the strategy has been centered on hoping vaccinating the population will solve everything when historically we have seldom depended on vaccination to eradicate a disease. Prevention is all well and good but if that fails and you have jack shit to try and treat a patient then you are basically hoping the problem to fix itself. Which to be fair, again historically viral pneumonia has been a bitch and a half to treat because anitvirals can sometimes be hit and miss. And then there comes the bacterial infection and the viral pneumonia becomes a viral/bacterial pneumonia and then the patient most likely dies.

What we are missing here is an out patient treatment for which research has been either left by the wayside or sacrificed on the altar of news media. Like for example ivermectin, which has been declared a horse dewormer even though it has been used on humans extensively. Leaving aside it's potential uses for COVID-19, the current situation with ivermectin fucking poisons the well on using it for other situation. Because who is going to want fucking horse dewormer. Personally I don't know how to feel about ivermectin. Back when I was pressed into working as a GP instead of a Ortho because COVID was running rampant in Mexico I did prescribe Ivermectin as a hail Mary. Empirically at least, some patients seem to respond positively to it. But whether it was the effect of ivermectin itself, placebo, other factor, or all the previous 3 I can't be 100% sure.

But back on topic, it seems that Merck is working on a very promising early treatement for COVID-19, so that's good.

[Hank]

^ Merck is a huge player. Merck wants to sell its, as Bloomberg/WSJ wrote, game changer, world wide, i.e US and Europe. It’s very suspicious that Merck sold its stock on Ivermectin for a huge profit and right after the Mass Media ridiculed it as veterinarian pills. In addition, Science is objective and factual. Scientist are often sold out to the highest bidder, who supports them.
Sample on Pfizer
Media didn’t disclose doctor’s $2M in Pfizer funding in coverage promoting child vaccination
https://tnc.news/202...ld-vaccination/

In short: I trust no drug company. It takes years to fine tune a vaccine and other medication. My immune system worked very well since 1958, and death is part of living.

to keep it as game forum

[Sangman]

So I didn't know about this, but apparently during the pandemic some new privacy-oriented organisation (more info in Dutch or French) was founded by various privacy experts, lawyers, artists, bar/restaurant owners, etc... who are now sueing the government over the QR code mandate nonsense. Curious how that'll turn out. Courts here strike down government decisions here all the time, so I'm somewhat hopeful that whatever "law" they cooked up will at least have to be revised. But we'll see.

[Aristotle Gumball]

Many local businesses are completely ignoring the QR code shit. There are two receptionists at my gym and one literally said "I don't wanna see that" (@ covid passport), the other one is anal about it. Also people are fucking dumb about checking them, I've had to wait 5 minutes before to get it scanned because of low light conditions or the person holding their phone like a retard. So fucking sick of this. Also the ringing in my ears hasn't gone away, but it hasn't gotten worse since my last post. Doctor couldn't do anything. She said prednisone might've helped, but might also make it worse.

PS. Any new My Little Pony or Little Mermaid enthusiasts here I can attack?

[Jimmy]

We must resist this digital Hellscape that benefits no one except governments and corporations. Everywhere I go now I tell them "Don't have a phone." "Don't have an email." Etc. Etc. Figure it out. People made it by just fine for thousands of years without being spied on 24/7.

[Forge]

the government can't restrict your free speech or invade your privacy, but privately owned tech companies can.
not hard to figure out that the government and big-tech are in bed together and the gov uses big tech to censor and spy on people

[Danukem]

Meanwhile in Africa:

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“COVID-19 is gone, when did you last hear of anyone who has died of COVID-19?” Ndou said. “The mask is to protect my wallet,” he said. “The police demand bribes so I lose money if I don’t move around with a mask.” Earlier this week, Zimbabwe recorded just 33 new COVID-19 cases and zero deaths, in line with a recent fall in the disease across the continent, where World Health Organization data show that infections have been dropping since July.

https://apnews.com/a...50aa2172eb01a2f

[Sangman]

Wait so are we trusting WHO data or not? I lost track

Jokes aside, I'm curious about the reason

[Danukem]

Sangman, on 19 November 2021 - 12:29 PM, said:

Jokes aside, I'm curious about the reason

Apparently its a great mystery to our scientist overlords.

As nonscientists, let's think about it for a few seconds using facts and logic. The average life expectancy in Zimbabwe is 61 years. The average age of a person who dies of covid is about 77 years. I feel like maybe those facts are relevant... maybe if I was a super-scientist I could eventually figure it out if I was given millions of grant dollars and did a comprehensive study. Of course no study is required and no analysis of costs/benefits is needs to be done to deprive people of their freedoms and subject millions of children to crippling mental health problems caused by isolation and fear mongering.

[Jimmy]

It's a hoax.

[Sangman]

Danukem, on 19 November 2021 - 01:34 PM, said:

The average life expectancy in Zimbabwe is 61 years. The average age of a person who dies of covid is about 77 years. I feel like maybe those facts are relevant...

Probably and the article does cover this but while most deaths are indeed around that age, there's still a number of people in the US that die in younger age groups. We're not seeing similar percentages of mortality in those younger age groups. In the US in the age bracket of 45-64 according to CDC data, it's about 0.05% of the total population. Meanwhile in Zimbabwe it's only 0.007%. Surely younger population is a factor but it's not the only factor.. The article lists several more hypotheses, but that's all they are, we probably won't see properly investigated conclusions for a while. If it does indeed turn out that vaccinations and all that aren't the answer, maybe we never will ;-)

[Aleks]

Sangman, on 19 November 2021 - 04:28 PM, said:

Probably and the article does cover this but while most deaths are indeed around that age, there's still a number of people in the US that die in younger age groups. We're not seeing similar percentages of mortality in those younger age groups. In the US in the age bracket of 45-64 according to CDC data, it's about 0.05% of the total population. Meanwhile in Zimbabwe it's only 0.007%. Surely younger population is a factor but it's not the only factor.. The article lists several more hypotheses, but that's all they are, we probably won't see properly investigated conclusions for a while. If it does indeed turn out that vaccinations and all that aren't the answer, maybe we never will ;-)

That's just a wild assumption, but maybe the fact there's probably far less people with overweight and diabetes in Zimbabwe than the US also plays a part? All the people I know in the medical industry tell me that vast majority of the people with severe symptoms or that die from COVID are overweight or even obese.

[Sangman]

Inb4 the new COVID vaccine is just a shot of malaria

[Aristotle Gumball]

[Forge]

it took the FDA 108 days to review and approve the pfizer vaxx.
it will take the FDA 55 years to release all the documents regarding that review which declared it safe

nothing sus there, move along

[Aristotle Gumball]

Here's one for the Eurocucks: https://www.facebook...26863281819235/

I'm starting to side with the far right just out of sheer survival lol. Extreme paranoia and distrust is healthy when the other side is a bunch of plankton floating with the current (and the reasonable people are too cowardly to act). The ends finally justify the means.

[Danukem]

Took you long enough.

[Hank]

I’d like to congratulate Pfizer-BioNTech on their adroit campaign, to get the government endorsement and massive public support in flooding their product.
Yes, seriously. Sine I’m not a scientist, no matter what I say against is irrelevant. A toast then to the winner. For now.

[Sangman]

So Austria is the first (I think?) to make getting vaccinated literally obligatory (instead of hiding it behind social exclusion). Coming soon to your nations as well I'm sure...

[Aristotle Gumball]

Danukem, on 20 November 2021 - 10:43 AM, said:

Took you long enough.

Remember when I said I was gonna do psychedelics? I think they contributed. It's funny when liberal "psychonauts" think that if everyone did LSD, they'd all be liberals. It's a really common idea rooted in pure narcissism.

https://www.psymposi...the-right-wing/

I am beginning to think that whatever empathy I felt was actually the trauma I needed to resolve. Psilocybin and LSD tore open old wounds and I was left to reprocess things that happened to me as a child, but now with an adult mind, I realized that I'd learned the wrong lessons. I need to be way more vigilant than I am. There's so much I did to get me out of a shit life but I haven't gone far enough. Why do I need to accept compromises? I don't. I don't have to do fucking anything I don't want to do, lol. That's the real lesson.

[Jimmy]

Psychedelics just made the ordered, dare I say authoritarian, state of nature more obvious for me.

[Danukem]

Futa Orc, on 21 November 2021 - 03:33 AM, said:

Remember when I said I was gonna do psychedelics? I think they contributed. It's funny when liberal "psychonauts" think that if everyone did LSD, they'd all be liberals. It's a really common idea rooted in pure narcissism.

https://www.psymposi...the-right-wing/

I am beginning to think that whatever empathy I felt was actually the trauma I needed to resolve. Psilocybin and LSD tore open old wounds and I was left to reprocess things that happened to me as a child, but now with an adult mind, I realized that I'd learned the wrong lessons. I need to be way more vigilant than I am. There's so much I did to get me out of a shit life but I haven't gone far enough. Why do I need to accept compromises? I don't. I don't have to do fucking anything I don't want to do, lol. That's the real lesson.

That's interesting. But no psychedelics for me. By the way, when I wrote "took you long enough" I had slightly misread your post and I missed the word "far" modifying "right". The funny thing is I don't even know what that means any more.

For me there are things about the modern left package that make it a nonstarter, and since the left is now very rigid and authoritarian and deeply invested in identity politics, you have to accept the whole package or you are considered a right-wing ista-phobe. For this reason, the "right-wing" parties are becoming the "everyone else" parties. In America, I'm pretty sure the left will be crushed in the next few elections ('22 and '24). But that won't do anything to diminish the power of the federal government which Republicans will happily use to their short-term advantage until they are thrown out of power again a few years later. What the non-leftists need to do when they gain power is use it to weaken or dismantle centralized authority so it can't be abused by them or their successors...but that's a pipe dream I'm afraid.

[Aristotle Gumball]

Danukem, on 21 November 2021 - 11:29 AM, said:

I had slightly misread your post and I missed the word "far" modifying "right". The funny thing is I don't even know what that means any more.

Legit far right are the only option locally for me. They're the ones organizing all the protests. A bunch of them are absolute cunts (neo nazis), but the other side are too ineffectual/don't get what the problem is.

My lone voice won't make a difference anyway, but I guess mentally I've changed to where I hate the current left/center more than the right. Like way more, even if I'm not racist/homophobic, etc. The thing is, those things don't fucking matter to me as much as national sovereignty or bodily autonomy. The way our government is built (3 party coalition) also makes a "takeover" unlikely, so hopefully avoiding the excesses of an actual right wing government.

Or not!

I'm also fully prepared to just move to any country that'll have me and that isn't completely cucked at this point, but that list is short and getting shorter all the time.

If we institute mandatory vaccinations for everyone as Austria has done, I don't know what I'd do. Well, I actually do but I won't say it here. What a world.

[Phredreeke]

Futa Orc, on 21 November 2021 - 11:14 PM, said:

If we institute mandatory vaccinations for everyone as Austria has done, I don't know what I'd do. Well, I actually do but I won't say it here. What a world.

Have a "protest" that makes January 6 look like a sandbox brawl?

[Aristotle Gumball]

Phredreeke, on 25 November 2021 - 10:47 AM, said:

Have a "protest" that makes January 6 look like a sandbox brawl?