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#991 Posted 26 November 2021 - 06:55 PM
Omicron. Sound like something from a Disney word stock. Oh my the cron scheduler just activated the news for round CIX of the Covid Con.
Another world-wide panic Christmas for the sheep is in progress.
Another world-wide panic Christmas for the sheep is in progress.
#992 Posted 26 November 2021 - 09:49 PM
Hank, on 26 November 2021 - 06:55 PM, said:
Omicron. Sound like something from a Disney word stock.
The first thing that popped into my head was 'necronomicon'. Also made me think of Unicron from the animated Transformers movie.
EDIT - just saw someone point out that "omicron" is an anagram for "moronic"... sounds legit to me!
This post has been edited by MC84: 27 November 2021 - 12:40 AM
#993 Posted 27 November 2021 - 09:58 AM
MC84, on 26 November 2021 - 09:49 PM, said:
The first thing that popped into my head was 'necronomicon'. Also made me think of Unicron from the animated Transformers movie.
EDIT - just saw someone point out that "omicron" is an anagram for "moronic"... sounds legit to me!
EDIT - just saw someone point out that "omicron" is an anagram for "moronic"... sounds legit to me!
Cheers for that! And it fits.
#994 Posted 27 November 2021 - 10:48 AM
I bet the ancient Greeks predicted all of this when they named their letters
#995 Posted 01 December 2021 - 12:45 PM
What i heard so far, is that vaccines meant for "regular covid-19" will be almost complete useless against Delta and Omicron variants, and vice versa. I wouldn't be surprised actually that they all are different kind of viruses. See, in Israel most of people are already vaccinated yet they are getting heavily infected when Omicron variant came. On other hand, Russians claim they have an "Universal Vaccine" made for all variants of Covid, we'll see what happens next. I am just getting sick of this situation already, this will end only on two possible ways already, either someone will stop this, or Armagedon described in religious books will finally happen. We, ordinary people can just wait.
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#996 Posted 01 December 2021 - 01:12 PM
https://nypost.com/2...3dq9ma53-YrgTK4
“It presents mild disease with symptoms being sore muscles and tiredness for a day or two not feeling well,” Coetzee told the paper. “So far, we have detected that those infected do not suffer the loss of taste or smell. They might have a slight cough. There are no prominent symptoms"
But we should still panic.
Sharing my friends post:
"I would like to point out the lies that our government (and many governments around the world) have sold their people since this pandemic began. The whore media has been complicit in these lies, as any journalist can easily spot them and hold our government to account with a simple google search. But they have not done so. Here goes. The list is long:
First of all, we learned very early on that Covid does not spread on surfaces. This was back in April 2020. I posted it back then. Our government never acknowledged it. In fact, many places are STILL sanitizing the crap out of surfaces because our government has not come out and told people to stop. It’s a waste of time and money and some of these sanitizers have chemicals in them that likely shouldn’t be put on your skin or inhaled.
Second, we knew about the seasonality of this virus very early in the pandemic. Yet, for two consecutive years, when summer approached and cases started dropping, our government attributed the fall in cases to their lockdowns. They took credit for something nature did and they knew it. This wasn’t some sort of mistake or lack of information.
Third, we have known for over a year that this virus is spread through aerosol, not droplets. We also know that aerosol viruses are too small to be stopped by regular and disposable masks. Even the medical masks only provide limited protection and were never made for viruses. Studies have also shown that masks do not stop the spread of aerosol viruses. Yet, here we are, over a year later, still wearing masks to go anywhere in public and we are forcing our children to wear masks at school.
Fourth, we have known since very early in the pandemic that this virus does not spread outdoors. In fact, there have been no reports of spreading events at outdoor events or gatherings in Ontario. Yet, up until just a couple months ago, our government restricted outdoor activities, and events. They even went as far as to close playgrounds and parks for a few months in the spring of 2021, at least 6 months after it was KNOWN that being outside is safe.
Fifth, we know that natural immunity has always been the most robust immunity for all viruses. Yet, our governments have not acknowledged this. On top of this, they are still forcing people who have had the virus to be vaccinated to get their health passes and for employment mandates. There is zero science behind this. Most other places in the world at least acknowledge natural immunity when it comes to these things.
Sixth, the vaccine makers themselves have said the vaccines wane after 6 to 8 months. The WHO has said that we will never vaccinate our way out of this pandemic, and it is impossible to reach herd immunity through vaccination alone. Yet our governments keep pushing the herd immunity card to trick people who otherwise wouldn’t get the shot, into getting it. Again, they are ignoring the science.
Seventh, it has been well known for a very long time that Covid is almost always very mild in children. We know that a healthy child has more chance of dying or being hospitalized from the common flu. We should be applauding this. We should be HAPPY that kids won’t get a severe sickness from this. Instead, our governments continue to try to scare parents into vaccinating their children. When that doesn’t work, they revert back to the sixth point and pretend the kids have some sort of ‘duty’ to get vaccinated, so we can reach herd immunity – which according to the science, will never be reached with these vaccines as they are.
Eighth, we know that each mutation of this virus has made it more transmissible but less severe. The data proves this, even when adjusted for age, and vaccine status. Alpha was more deadly than Beta, which was more deadly than Delta. The same will almost certainly apply with Omicron. Yet, each time there is a new variant, the government and media try to scare the population. Again, as with kids, they should be APPLAUDING every time this virus mutates. The science has proven that these viruses almost always mutate to become less severe, and the DATA is showing it with the Covid virus. But they are taking the exact opposite tact. Why?
Ninth, we have known for a long time that lockdowns cause more excess deaths than Covid does. The governments KNEW this and continued to do it. The data just came out and excess deaths since the pandemic began – not just deaths but EXCESS deaths – are now at 3 to 1. ‘Other causes’ vs Covid. The lockdowns, and the narrative of scaring everyone has killed three times more people than the number of people who died with Covid. *This ratio is likely even higher as we didn't even have a flu season last year*. On top of this, our children’s hospitals are overflowing with mental illness. They have had to take entire wings and staff that were designed and trained for other specialties/diseases and divert them to mental illness to keep up.
Anyone who can look through all this and still defend the actions of our governments or trust any damn thing they say at this point - without doing his or her own research to confirm it - is a lemming, plain and simple. I mean if you have been lied to so many times and continue to believe the people lying to you, you deserve what you get. Isn’t the saying ‘Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me’? How many times do people need to be fooled?"
“It presents mild disease with symptoms being sore muscles and tiredness for a day or two not feeling well,” Coetzee told the paper. “So far, we have detected that those infected do not suffer the loss of taste or smell. They might have a slight cough. There are no prominent symptoms"
But we should still panic.
Sharing my friends post:
"I would like to point out the lies that our government (and many governments around the world) have sold their people since this pandemic began. The whore media has been complicit in these lies, as any journalist can easily spot them and hold our government to account with a simple google search. But they have not done so. Here goes. The list is long:
First of all, we learned very early on that Covid does not spread on surfaces. This was back in April 2020. I posted it back then. Our government never acknowledged it. In fact, many places are STILL sanitizing the crap out of surfaces because our government has not come out and told people to stop. It’s a waste of time and money and some of these sanitizers have chemicals in them that likely shouldn’t be put on your skin or inhaled.
Second, we knew about the seasonality of this virus very early in the pandemic. Yet, for two consecutive years, when summer approached and cases started dropping, our government attributed the fall in cases to their lockdowns. They took credit for something nature did and they knew it. This wasn’t some sort of mistake or lack of information.
Third, we have known for over a year that this virus is spread through aerosol, not droplets. We also know that aerosol viruses are too small to be stopped by regular and disposable masks. Even the medical masks only provide limited protection and were never made for viruses. Studies have also shown that masks do not stop the spread of aerosol viruses. Yet, here we are, over a year later, still wearing masks to go anywhere in public and we are forcing our children to wear masks at school.
Fourth, we have known since very early in the pandemic that this virus does not spread outdoors. In fact, there have been no reports of spreading events at outdoor events or gatherings in Ontario. Yet, up until just a couple months ago, our government restricted outdoor activities, and events. They even went as far as to close playgrounds and parks for a few months in the spring of 2021, at least 6 months after it was KNOWN that being outside is safe.
Fifth, we know that natural immunity has always been the most robust immunity for all viruses. Yet, our governments have not acknowledged this. On top of this, they are still forcing people who have had the virus to be vaccinated to get their health passes and for employment mandates. There is zero science behind this. Most other places in the world at least acknowledge natural immunity when it comes to these things.
Sixth, the vaccine makers themselves have said the vaccines wane after 6 to 8 months. The WHO has said that we will never vaccinate our way out of this pandemic, and it is impossible to reach herd immunity through vaccination alone. Yet our governments keep pushing the herd immunity card to trick people who otherwise wouldn’t get the shot, into getting it. Again, they are ignoring the science.
Seventh, it has been well known for a very long time that Covid is almost always very mild in children. We know that a healthy child has more chance of dying or being hospitalized from the common flu. We should be applauding this. We should be HAPPY that kids won’t get a severe sickness from this. Instead, our governments continue to try to scare parents into vaccinating their children. When that doesn’t work, they revert back to the sixth point and pretend the kids have some sort of ‘duty’ to get vaccinated, so we can reach herd immunity – which according to the science, will never be reached with these vaccines as they are.
Eighth, we know that each mutation of this virus has made it more transmissible but less severe. The data proves this, even when adjusted for age, and vaccine status. Alpha was more deadly than Beta, which was more deadly than Delta. The same will almost certainly apply with Omicron. Yet, each time there is a new variant, the government and media try to scare the population. Again, as with kids, they should be APPLAUDING every time this virus mutates. The science has proven that these viruses almost always mutate to become less severe, and the DATA is showing it with the Covid virus. But they are taking the exact opposite tact. Why?
Ninth, we have known for a long time that lockdowns cause more excess deaths than Covid does. The governments KNEW this and continued to do it. The data just came out and excess deaths since the pandemic began – not just deaths but EXCESS deaths – are now at 3 to 1. ‘Other causes’ vs Covid. The lockdowns, and the narrative of scaring everyone has killed three times more people than the number of people who died with Covid. *This ratio is likely even higher as we didn't even have a flu season last year*. On top of this, our children’s hospitals are overflowing with mental illness. They have had to take entire wings and staff that were designed and trained for other specialties/diseases and divert them to mental illness to keep up.
Anyone who can look through all this and still defend the actions of our governments or trust any damn thing they say at this point - without doing his or her own research to confirm it - is a lemming, plain and simple. I mean if you have been lied to so many times and continue to believe the people lying to you, you deserve what you get. Isn’t the saying ‘Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me’? How many times do people need to be fooled?"
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#997 Posted 01 December 2021 - 01:47 PM
Everything about the past nearly three years only makes sense once you realize that they want people to die.
#998 Posted 01 December 2021 - 02:13 PM
I rarely get involved with these kinds of discussions lately. Usually, these discussions either get too personal or too intense. But I think it's time to give my piece.
I don't know how you guys have been able to fare with the virus in your areas, either vaccinated or unvaccinated. I pretty much got two shots of Pfizer, and recently right now a booster, just so I can build an immunity and see people again. So far, I haven't got any lethal side-effects other than fatigue or arm pain after the first shot. If some of you have been able to do well without vaccination, you're lucky. I've known some who weren't so lucky. I lost a relative to COVID after refusing vaccination for awhile, and his death was pretty slow and painful. Friends who did get COVID were fortunately not severe in their infection, and got better when they were vaccinated in time. I haven't lost anyone close to the virus, but a friend of mine lost someone who was close to him, and he was devastated. There were times I thought the end of the world was coming, and only recently has there been some semblance of normality. I'm just glad that I'm still living, even if things aren't always going well.
Look guys. The virus sucked. It sucked for everybody. Lots of people suffered and got screwed over due to the virus. Unfortunately, human nature and politics got worse as the virus spread. I think it was a mistake when politicians (I'm not saying who) politicized the virus. Since the virus got politicized, the issue has turned into a matter of self-determination vs authority or pride vs public need rather than a case of life and death. A lot of the arguments I've encountered either range from excessive self-importance to extreme disdain for everyone else, and I don't they've been very helpful in making things better. Politicizing viruses often make things worse, and I haven't seen the politicizing of COVID as improving things for everybody. If stubborn pride were enough to make people immune, everyone would be cured by now.
I'm not posting to start a brawl. I think Duke4.net has had enough wrestling matches already. I'm only saying that I wouldn't rely on natural immunity and self-determination alone, especially knowing how nasty the virus could be. If you're doing fine without the vaccine, that's fine, but just be careful, and don't take your luck for granted. At some point, if you do get infected, you may need to get vaccinated, but I pray you don't get infected. Those who have just been vaccinated, the worst side-effects usually wear off days after the first shot, whether it's Moderna or Pfizer. I'm just speaking from personal and family experience, so it may not be the same for everybody.
Just try to take care of yourselves as well as you can, and I hope things get better for you guys. That's all I have to say about that.
I don't know how you guys have been able to fare with the virus in your areas, either vaccinated or unvaccinated. I pretty much got two shots of Pfizer, and recently right now a booster, just so I can build an immunity and see people again. So far, I haven't got any lethal side-effects other than fatigue or arm pain after the first shot. If some of you have been able to do well without vaccination, you're lucky. I've known some who weren't so lucky. I lost a relative to COVID after refusing vaccination for awhile, and his death was pretty slow and painful. Friends who did get COVID were fortunately not severe in their infection, and got better when they were vaccinated in time. I haven't lost anyone close to the virus, but a friend of mine lost someone who was close to him, and he was devastated. There were times I thought the end of the world was coming, and only recently has there been some semblance of normality. I'm just glad that I'm still living, even if things aren't always going well.
Look guys. The virus sucked. It sucked for everybody. Lots of people suffered and got screwed over due to the virus. Unfortunately, human nature and politics got worse as the virus spread. I think it was a mistake when politicians (I'm not saying who) politicized the virus. Since the virus got politicized, the issue has turned into a matter of self-determination vs authority or pride vs public need rather than a case of life and death. A lot of the arguments I've encountered either range from excessive self-importance to extreme disdain for everyone else, and I don't they've been very helpful in making things better. Politicizing viruses often make things worse, and I haven't seen the politicizing of COVID as improving things for everybody. If stubborn pride were enough to make people immune, everyone would be cured by now.
I'm not posting to start a brawl. I think Duke4.net has had enough wrestling matches already. I'm only saying that I wouldn't rely on natural immunity and self-determination alone, especially knowing how nasty the virus could be. If you're doing fine without the vaccine, that's fine, but just be careful, and don't take your luck for granted. At some point, if you do get infected, you may need to get vaccinated, but I pray you don't get infected. Those who have just been vaccinated, the worst side-effects usually wear off days after the first shot, whether it's Moderna or Pfizer. I'm just speaking from personal and family experience, so it may not be the same for everybody.
Just try to take care of yourselves as well as you can, and I hope things get better for you guys. That's all I have to say about that.
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#999 Posted 01 December 2021 - 02:59 PM
And my first-hand counterpoint is that a former member of the church i attend (he moved to north dakota for work related reasons) is in the hospital right now. He is intubated and in a medically induced coma from catching the lung-hiv.
He's in his mid 30s
Is (was) healthy and active
has no comorbidities
and was vaccinated & within the last 8 months.
That vaxx is a control tool and a way to bilk the lower class of what little resources they have (via taxes and other means of extraction).
You want the vaxx? Knock yourself out. I'm not anti-vaxx, I'm anti-mandatory poison injections.
Just don't get the poke and walk around like you're a pretentious immortal asshole. You're not, you're still a pretentious ordinary asshole.
He's in his mid 30s
Is (was) healthy and active
has no comorbidities
and was vaccinated & within the last 8 months.
That vaxx is a control tool and a way to bilk the lower class of what little resources they have (via taxes and other means of extraction).
You want the vaxx? Knock yourself out. I'm not anti-vaxx, I'm anti-mandatory poison injections.
Just don't get the poke and walk around like you're a pretentious immortal asshole. You're not, you're still a pretentious ordinary asshole.
#1000 Posted 01 December 2021 - 03:15 PM
Meh, i will only vaccinate if it becomes obligatory, i don't trust neither the vaccines, neither the virus. I'll only would argue and disagree with people who claims that wearing mask is useless. It still slightly removes the chance to get infected.
#1001 Posted 01 December 2021 - 04:54 PM
If one is comfortable taking a vaccine, great. I do not object. Your body is none of my business.
Looking at Vaers and EudraVigilanve, so far, 28, 000 + 31,000 deaths are contributed to various vaccines. Millions of adverse effects recorded, 25% of those permanent. There is simply no way I take an experimental vaccine. I think I wrote that before, I’m not afraid to live and get sick. Deaths is the one thing I can’t avoid anyway.
I think this forced vaccine mania is to make peeps addicted to vaccines. First, lower their natural immune system. Second, people get sick and ask for better vaccines. Not to forget to sell additional drugs against their adverse effects. Pfizer has like 100 lobbyists wandering around in D.C. alone. The are expected to make a profit. As a 'bonus', all the new surveillance products and bureaucracies, fines, camps and power-hungry people to run all this.
Looking at Vaers and EudraVigilanve, so far, 28, 000 + 31,000 deaths are contributed to various vaccines. Millions of adverse effects recorded, 25% of those permanent. There is simply no way I take an experimental vaccine. I think I wrote that before, I’m not afraid to live and get sick. Deaths is the one thing I can’t avoid anyway.
I think this forced vaccine mania is to make peeps addicted to vaccines. First, lower their natural immune system. Second, people get sick and ask for better vaccines. Not to forget to sell additional drugs against their adverse effects. Pfizer has like 100 lobbyists wandering around in D.C. alone. The are expected to make a profit. As a 'bonus', all the new surveillance products and bureaucracies, fines, camps and power-hungry people to run all this.
This post has been edited by Hank: 01 December 2021 - 04:57 PM
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#1002 Posted 01 December 2021 - 05:32 PM
I care about covid as much as I care about the cold or the flu. Oh well. I don't care how many people die, and it will never reach a number where I do care because covid has long now been endemic, an absolute nothingburger global governance has latched onto in order to distract away from the looming market/dollar crashes.
This post has been edited by Jimmy: 01 December 2021 - 05:33 PM
#1003 Posted 01 December 2021 - 08:50 PM
n/m
This post has been edited by Hank: 01 December 2021 - 08:59 PM
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#1004 Posted 01 December 2021 - 10:41 PM
Gingis Khan, on 01 December 2021 - 03:15 PM, said:
Meh, i will only vaccinate if it becomes obligatory, i don't trust neither the vaccines, neither the virus. I'll only would argue and disagree with people who claims that wearing mask is useless. It still slightly removes the chance to get infected.
Studies appear to show that the typical cloth masks people wear do almost nothing to stop the spread of Covid, and might even make it worse:
https://journals.plo...sIm1RZywRRbUd1Y
"For example, this can be achieved using high-quality medical face masks. Important features of high-quality masks encompass a good fit at the bridge of the nose, low airflow resistance, and EN 14683 conformity. Masks without these features performed in a range comparable to that of cloth masks. However, it is difficult to believe that a protection function of 10%–20% is sufficient for preventing airborne viruses such as SARS-CoV-2 from spreading."
https://swprs.org/fa...9qjmC2LpE5xUsFE
"A 2015 study in the British Medical Journal BMJ Open found that cloth masks were penetrated by 97% of particles and may increase infection risk by retaining moisture or repeated use."
#1005 Posted 02 December 2021 - 01:29 AM
You can just as easily find studies that says they do work, though. But I guess the counterargument will be that those studies are all unreliable for whatever reason.
Sorry about your friends/acquintances. I don't believe however that insisting that whoever is pro or against covid measures is on the right/wrong side of the political fence is productive. IMO all that that accomplishes is to push both sides of the fence further and further into their respective convictions. You can see this already in one of Futa Orc's posts who (no disrespected intended to him) seems to be convinced that the far right is going to save society from tyranny.
Flying Techbot, on 01 December 2021 - 02:13 PM, said:
I rarely get involved with these kinds of discussions lately. Usually, these discussions either get too personal or too intense. But I think it's time to give my piece.
I don't know how you guys have been able to fare with the virus in your areas, either vaccinated or unvaccinated. I pretty much got two shots of Pfizer, and recently right now a booster, just so I can build an immunity and see people again. So far, I haven't got any lethal side-effects other than fatigue or arm pain after the first shot. If some of you have been able to do well without vaccination, you're lucky. I've known some who weren't so lucky. I lost a relative to COVID after refusing vaccination for awhile, and his death was pretty slow and painful. Friends who did get COVID were fortunately not severe in their infection, and got better when they were vaccinated in time. I haven't lost anyone close to the virus, but a friend of mine lost someone who was close to him, and he was devastated. There were times I thought the end of the world was coming, and only recently has there been some semblance of normality. I'm just glad that I'm still living, even if things aren't always going well.
Look guys. The virus sucked. It sucked for everybody. Lots of people suffered and got screwed over due to the virus. Unfortunately, human nature and politics got worse as the virus spread. I think it was a mistake when politicians (I'm not saying who) politicized the virus. Since the virus got politicized, the issue has turned into a matter of self-determination vs authority or pride vs public need rather than a case of life and death. A lot of the arguments I've encountered either range from excessive self-importance to extreme disdain for everyone else, and I don't they've been very helpful in making things better. Politicizing viruses often make things worse, and I haven't seen the politicizing of COVID as improving things for everybody. If stubborn pride were enough to make people immune, everyone would be cured by now.
I'm not posting to start a brawl. I think Duke4.net has had enough wrestling matches already. I'm only saying that I wouldn't rely on natural immunity and self-determination alone, especially knowing how nasty the virus could be. If you're doing fine without the vaccine, that's fine, but just be careful, and don't take your luck for granted. At some point, if you do get infected, you may need to get vaccinated, but I pray you don't get infected. Those who have just been vaccinated, the worst side-effects usually wear off days after the first shot, whether it's Moderna or Pfizer. I'm just speaking from personal and family experience, so it may not be the same for everybody.
Just try to take care of yourselves as well as you can, and I hope things get better for you guys. That's all I have to say about that.
I don't know how you guys have been able to fare with the virus in your areas, either vaccinated or unvaccinated. I pretty much got two shots of Pfizer, and recently right now a booster, just so I can build an immunity and see people again. So far, I haven't got any lethal side-effects other than fatigue or arm pain after the first shot. If some of you have been able to do well without vaccination, you're lucky. I've known some who weren't so lucky. I lost a relative to COVID after refusing vaccination for awhile, and his death was pretty slow and painful. Friends who did get COVID were fortunately not severe in their infection, and got better when they were vaccinated in time. I haven't lost anyone close to the virus, but a friend of mine lost someone who was close to him, and he was devastated. There were times I thought the end of the world was coming, and only recently has there been some semblance of normality. I'm just glad that I'm still living, even if things aren't always going well.
Look guys. The virus sucked. It sucked for everybody. Lots of people suffered and got screwed over due to the virus. Unfortunately, human nature and politics got worse as the virus spread. I think it was a mistake when politicians (I'm not saying who) politicized the virus. Since the virus got politicized, the issue has turned into a matter of self-determination vs authority or pride vs public need rather than a case of life and death. A lot of the arguments I've encountered either range from excessive self-importance to extreme disdain for everyone else, and I don't they've been very helpful in making things better. Politicizing viruses often make things worse, and I haven't seen the politicizing of COVID as improving things for everybody. If stubborn pride were enough to make people immune, everyone would be cured by now.
I'm not posting to start a brawl. I think Duke4.net has had enough wrestling matches already. I'm only saying that I wouldn't rely on natural immunity and self-determination alone, especially knowing how nasty the virus could be. If you're doing fine without the vaccine, that's fine, but just be careful, and don't take your luck for granted. At some point, if you do get infected, you may need to get vaccinated, but I pray you don't get infected. Those who have just been vaccinated, the worst side-effects usually wear off days after the first shot, whether it's Moderna or Pfizer. I'm just speaking from personal and family experience, so it may not be the same for everybody.
Just try to take care of yourselves as well as you can, and I hope things get better for you guys. That's all I have to say about that.
Sorry about your friends/acquintances. I don't believe however that insisting that whoever is pro or against covid measures is on the right/wrong side of the political fence is productive. IMO all that that accomplishes is to push both sides of the fence further and further into their respective convictions. You can see this already in one of Futa Orc's posts who (no disrespected intended to him) seems to be convinced that the far right is going to save society from tyranny.
This post has been edited by Sangman: 02 December 2021 - 02:28 AM
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#1006 Posted 02 December 2021 - 02:46 AM
Sangman, on 02 December 2021 - 01:29 AM, said:
that the far right is going to save society from tyranny.
People like you are the stupid plebs who simplify things so it's easier for them to understand, and in the process of doing so, understand nothing. Disrespect intended.
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#1008 Posted 02 December 2021 - 03:46 AM
When people complain about an issue being "politicized", it's not really clear to me what that means. In some cases it does seem like people are just complaining that not everyone agrees with them, and they want those other people to shut up. "Don't politicize this issue by arguing with me, just do as I say." There is a more benign interpretation though: in some cases the complaint is that people are making up their minds about an issue simply on the basis of what the political leaders of their respective political tribes tell them, without thinking for themselves.
What is the point of making that accusation, though? Let's say that someone disagrees with me, and I respond to them with "You're just saying that because you're an INSERT-POLITICAL-LABEL and you have been brainwashed." Then they will reply with, "No, it's for reasons X, Y and Z". And then I can say "Well those are just the talking points of INSERT-POLITICAL -LABEL". At some point I can either choose to engage the specific points brought up, or we can just go in circles. It doesn't matter whether I'm right in thinking the other has been brainwashed.
What is the point of making that accusation, though? Let's say that someone disagrees with me, and I respond to them with "You're just saying that because you're an INSERT-POLITICAL-LABEL and you have been brainwashed." Then they will reply with, "No, it's for reasons X, Y and Z". And then I can say "Well those are just the talking points of INSERT-POLITICAL -LABEL". At some point I can either choose to engage the specific points brought up, or we can just go in circles. It doesn't matter whether I'm right in thinking the other has been brainwashed.
#1009 Posted 02 December 2021 - 04:21 AM
Danukem, on 02 December 2021 - 03:46 AM, said:
When people complain about an issue being "politicized", it's not really clear to me what that means. In some cases it does seem like people are just complaining that not everyone agrees with them, and they want those other people to shut up. "Don't politicize this issue by arguing with me, just do as I say." There is a more benign interpretation though: in some cases the complaint is that people are making up their minds about an issue simply on the basis of what the political leaders of their respective political tribes tell them, without thinking for themselves.
What is the point of making that accusation, though? Let's say that someone disagrees with me, and I respond to them with "You're just saying that because you're an INSERT-POLITICAL-LABEL and you have been brainwashed." Then they will reply with, "No, it's for reasons X, Y and Z". And then I can say "Well those are just the talking points of INSERT-POLITICAL -LABEL". At some point I can either choose to engage the specific points brought up, or we can just go in circles. It doesn't matter whether I'm right in thinking the other has been brainwashed.
What is the point of making that accusation, though? Let's say that someone disagrees with me, and I respond to them with "You're just saying that because you're an INSERT-POLITICAL-LABEL and you have been brainwashed." Then they will reply with, "No, it's for reasons X, Y and Z". And then I can say "Well those are just the talking points of INSERT-POLITICAL -LABEL". At some point I can either choose to engage the specific points brought up, or we can just go in circles. It doesn't matter whether I'm right in thinking the other has been brainwashed.
^This. I mean seriously, why always politics have to brought with Covid subject? For example i am right winged and i don't have any problems with masks or Covid measures. I am just getting sick of getting humiliated and oppressed by some crazy subhuman Anti-vaxxer on one side, and some stupid covid scaredy pussy pro-vaxxer on other side, whenever i express my honest opinion. My opinion and advice is to stick somewhere in Middle and don't force anyone on anything. Everyone can agree or disagree with my opinion. But there is no absolute fucking reason that to one group tell another group with different opinion, that is dumb, stupid and brainwashed because they don't think the same way. Everyone became fucking fascist on their own way.
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#1010 Posted 02 December 2021 - 09:05 AM
it's political because politicians (elected and unelected) became involved
big pharma is the largest political donator/lobbyist group on the planet. They donate more money to politicians than any other "private sector" entity.
there is a conflict of interest when politicians and organizations (like the who) push for mandatory 100% vaccinations, while they are receiving monies from the industry that produces said vaccines.
the vaccine itself has very minimal testing. Effectiveness, and long term health issues from getting the poison injection, are mostly speculation.
governments forcing their citizenry to drink the coolaid that could harm them (especially those in the low risk groups, like children) is the equivalent of doing medical experiments on prisoners
big pharma is the largest political donator/lobbyist group on the planet. They donate more money to politicians than any other "private sector" entity.
there is a conflict of interest when politicians and organizations (like the who) push for mandatory 100% vaccinations, while they are receiving monies from the industry that produces said vaccines.
the vaccine itself has very minimal testing. Effectiveness, and long term health issues from getting the poison injection, are mostly speculation.
governments forcing their citizenry to drink the coolaid that could harm them (especially those in the low risk groups, like children) is the equivalent of doing medical experiments on prisoners
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#1011 Posted 02 December 2021 - 09:38 AM
So here is more for you [REDACTED] that don't believe me when I say that cloth masks are useless. You know you sound like a real moron right when someone links a bunch of studies and you go "I can find studies saying the opposite", yet you don't link anything? It's like I'm here with a gun and you brought a marshmallow. SO let me do the fucking work for you.
This is the first result that shows up when you google "covid mask study": https://www.theguard...vid-study-finds
Sounds super clear, right? If you go to the actual meta analysis, though, this is what it says: "72 studies met the inclusion criteria, of which 35 evaluated individual public health measures and 37 assessed multiple public health measures as a “package of interventions.” Eight of 35 studies were included in the meta-analysis, which indicated a reduction in incidence of covid-19 associated with handwashing (relative risk 0.47, 95% confidence interval 0.19 to 1.12, I2=12%), mask wearing (0.47, 0.29 to 0.75, I2=84%), and physical distancing (0.75, 0.59 to 0.95, I2=87%)."
It’s total cherry picking. They had 72 studies and they included 8 of them.
It reminds me of this TED talk.
Also, if you searched google around April/May 2020, there were all sorts of studies showing little to no effect in preventing viral transmission with masks. These studies were done in all sorts of settings, over decades. Masks were used to prevent bacteria in droplets. Then, a year later, you go on google, and there are all sorts of new studies suddenly showing the effectiveness of masks. All of them are late 2020 and beyond. You don't find anything from prior years. It's like all the previous studies suddenly don't exist anymore. But then you go on duckduckgo and you'll find just as many studies showing they do very little to nothing, as you will studies showing they work. And even the ones showing they work, simply say they 'lessen' transmission. And most of these studies are using the medial masks (that no one is wearing in public) and the edges are basically taped to the participant.
This is the first result that shows up when you google "covid mask study": https://www.theguard...vid-study-finds
Sounds super clear, right? If you go to the actual meta analysis, though, this is what it says: "72 studies met the inclusion criteria, of which 35 evaluated individual public health measures and 37 assessed multiple public health measures as a “package of interventions.” Eight of 35 studies were included in the meta-analysis, which indicated a reduction in incidence of covid-19 associated with handwashing (relative risk 0.47, 95% confidence interval 0.19 to 1.12, I2=12%), mask wearing (0.47, 0.29 to 0.75, I2=84%), and physical distancing (0.75, 0.59 to 0.95, I2=87%)."
It’s total cherry picking. They had 72 studies and they included 8 of them.
It reminds me of this TED talk.
Also, if you searched google around April/May 2020, there were all sorts of studies showing little to no effect in preventing viral transmission with masks. These studies were done in all sorts of settings, over decades. Masks were used to prevent bacteria in droplets. Then, a year later, you go on google, and there are all sorts of new studies suddenly showing the effectiveness of masks. All of them are late 2020 and beyond. You don't find anything from prior years. It's like all the previous studies suddenly don't exist anymore. But then you go on duckduckgo and you'll find just as many studies showing they do very little to nothing, as you will studies showing they work. And even the ones showing they work, simply say they 'lessen' transmission. And most of these studies are using the medial masks (that no one is wearing in public) and the edges are basically taped to the participant.
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#1012 Posted 02 December 2021 - 09:48 AM
google
fucking lol
the same entity that runs youtube
the entity that banned content that questions vaccines, lockdowns, masks, alternative treatments, mortality rates of the virus, etc.
imagine not having the search results scrubbed and cherry-picked
fucking lol
the same entity that runs youtube
the entity that banned content that questions vaccines, lockdowns, masks, alternative treatments, mortality rates of the virus, etc.
imagine not having the search results scrubbed and cherry-picked
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#1013 Posted 02 December 2021 - 10:08 AM
Forge, on 02 December 2021 - 09:48 AM, said:
google
fucking lol
the same entity that runs youtube
the entity that banned content that questions vaccines, lockdowns, masks, alternative treatments, mortality rates of the virus, etc.
fucking lol
the same entity that runs youtube
the entity that banned content that questions vaccines, lockdowns, masks, alternative treatments, mortality rates of the virus, etc.
You and I know that, but not our local plebeians.
This post has been edited by Futa Orc: 02 December 2021 - 10:09 AM
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#1014 Posted 02 December 2021 - 10:39 AM
I was already reading about this "mysterious virus in China" in late 2019 when everyone was denying it existed. I started researching how you could theoretically protect yourself. I read the studies. Best I could come up with is a full head KN95 respirator mask used in industrial settings + full body hazmat suit + sanitization and undressing procedures when going in and out of the home. Basically it's fucking impossible to limit exposure.
Months later they say "Just put a piece of cloth over your nose."
The mask is the sigil of their fake pandemic. When people just say "No." and stop wearing them, their spell is over.
Furthermore, these masks are ALL over the ground now. Wherever I walk, dozens of these diapers litter the streets, sidewalks, etc. It's disgusting and harmful to the environment.
Daily Reminder: Wearing masks increases the chances of coming down with pneumonia, the thing that is actually killing people.
Months later they say "Just put a piece of cloth over your nose."
The mask is the sigil of their fake pandemic. When people just say "No." and stop wearing them, their spell is over.
Furthermore, these masks are ALL over the ground now. Wherever I walk, dozens of these diapers litter the streets, sidewalks, etc. It's disgusting and harmful to the environment.
Daily Reminder: Wearing masks increases the chances of coming down with pneumonia, the thing that is actually killing people.
This post has been edited by Jimmy: 02 December 2021 - 10:39 AM
#1015 Posted 02 December 2021 - 12:27 PM
Futa Orc, on 02 December 2021 - 09:38 AM, said:
So here is more for you [REDACTED] that don't believe me when I say that cloth masks are useless. You know you sound like a real moron right when someone links a bunch of studies and you go "I can find studies saying the opposite", yet you don't link anything? It's like I'm here with a gun and you brought a marshmallow. SO let me do the fucking work for you.
This is the first result that shows up when you google "covid mask study": https://www.theguard...vid-study-finds
Sounds super clear, right? If you go to the actual meta analysis, though, this is what it says: "72 studies met the inclusion criteria, of which 35 evaluated individual public health measures and 37 assessed multiple public health measures as a “package of interventions.” Eight of 35 studies were included in the meta-analysis, which indicated a reduction in incidence of covid-19 associated with handwashing (relative risk 0.47, 95% confidence interval 0.19 to 1.12, I2=12%), mask wearing (0.47, 0.29 to 0.75, I2=84%), and physical distancing (0.75, 0.59 to 0.95, I2=87%)."
It’s total cherry picking. They had 72 studies and they included 8 of them.
It reminds me of this TED talk.
Also, if you searched google around April/May 2020, there were all sorts of studies showing little to no effect in preventing viral transmission with masks. These studies were done in all sorts of settings, over decades. Masks were used to prevent bacteria in droplets. Then, a year later, you go on google, and there are all sorts of new studies suddenly showing the effectiveness of masks. All of them are late 2020 and beyond. You don't find anything from prior years. It's like all the previous studies suddenly don't exist anymore. But then you go on duckduckgo and you'll find just as many studies showing they do very little to nothing, as you will studies showing they work. And even the ones showing they work, simply say they 'lessen' transmission. And most of these studies are using the medial masks (that no one is wearing in public) and the edges are basically taped to the participant.
This is the first result that shows up when you google "covid mask study": https://www.theguard...vid-study-finds
Sounds super clear, right? If you go to the actual meta analysis, though, this is what it says: "72 studies met the inclusion criteria, of which 35 evaluated individual public health measures and 37 assessed multiple public health measures as a “package of interventions.” Eight of 35 studies were included in the meta-analysis, which indicated a reduction in incidence of covid-19 associated with handwashing (relative risk 0.47, 95% confidence interval 0.19 to 1.12, I2=12%), mask wearing (0.47, 0.29 to 0.75, I2=84%), and physical distancing (0.75, 0.59 to 0.95, I2=87%)."
It’s total cherry picking. They had 72 studies and they included 8 of them.
It reminds me of this TED talk.
Also, if you searched google around April/May 2020, there were all sorts of studies showing little to no effect in preventing viral transmission with masks. These studies were done in all sorts of settings, over decades. Masks were used to prevent bacteria in droplets. Then, a year later, you go on google, and there are all sorts of new studies suddenly showing the effectiveness of masks. All of them are late 2020 and beyond. You don't find anything from prior years. It's like all the previous studies suddenly don't exist anymore. But then you go on duckduckgo and you'll find just as many studies showing they do very little to nothing, as you will studies showing they work. And even the ones showing they work, simply say they 'lessen' transmission. And most of these studies are using the medial masks (that no one is wearing in public) and the edges are basically taped to the participant.
The reason I didn't share a link was because I figured given the research you've already done on the topic, it was unlikely that I would be able to provide you with anything that could convince you of the opposite. There's no need to be agressive about it. That aside, your post is a good post. At the moment I know too little about these affairs to discuss it further, but I'll look into what you've shared here.
#1016 Posted 02 December 2021 - 04:41 PM
Masks are a hot topic.
1. Do they work? Yes. They could protect others from you, if you are sick.
2. Can they make you sick? Yes. Those homemade, or custom-made version just beg for it.
3. Should they by mandatory? No. And this is why it is such a hot topic, at least with myself.
One time only use, medical masks are made to protect others from you. Not the other way around. Yet, that does not stop the experts to ignore this simply truths, and publish elaborate studies showing wearing masks reduces the transmission of Covid.
Then we have those home made one’s. Reusable. Environmentally friendly. Catch? Every time you use them, you need to thoroughly disinfect them, and then wash away the disinfect. Failing to do either, will create either a marvelous germ pool or one inhales harmful substances.
If, guys like Fauci would be honest, masks would have my support, but forcing two-year-old to wear this shit, even so they hardly could spread covid, sorry, no can do. If you have Covid, yes, wear a mask. You will reduce the spread somewhat. Otherwise .... it's up to you.
And do not use Google. Go to your local medical library, pay a little fee, and search. There is too much junk out there.
1. Do they work? Yes. They could protect others from you, if you are sick.
2. Can they make you sick? Yes. Those homemade, or custom-made version just beg for it.
3. Should they by mandatory? No. And this is why it is such a hot topic, at least with myself.
One time only use, medical masks are made to protect others from you. Not the other way around. Yet, that does not stop the experts to ignore this simply truths, and publish elaborate studies showing wearing masks reduces the transmission of Covid.
Then we have those home made one’s. Reusable. Environmentally friendly. Catch? Every time you use them, you need to thoroughly disinfect them, and then wash away the disinfect. Failing to do either, will create either a marvelous germ pool or one inhales harmful substances.
If, guys like Fauci would be honest, masks would have my support, but forcing two-year-old to wear this shit, even so they hardly could spread covid, sorry, no can do. If you have Covid, yes, wear a mask. You will reduce the spread somewhat. Otherwise .... it's up to you.
And do not use Google. Go to your local medical library, pay a little fee, and search. There is too much junk out there.
This post has been edited by Hank: 02 December 2021 - 04:43 PM
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#1017 Posted 02 December 2021 - 05:32 PM
You can find good info using google/youtube if you aren't an idiot and don't allow your confirmation bias to guide you, but obviously you shouldn't rely on a single mega corporation with its own agenda for all your information.
