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The Coronavirus a/k/a COVID-19 corner.

User is offline   Kyanos 

#211

The whole thing reeks of war.
Everyone has their gaurd up at least.
The ISS feed has been poor lately to say the least.
Also the storms and earthquakes are nuts.
Atlas is spinning backwards and will light up soon.
Gas cloud 5x the size of Jupiter, 1/2 the size of the Sun.
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User is offline   Jeff 

#212

Hope we don't have World War 3.
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User is offline   Radar 

  • King of SOVL

#213

Is COVID-19 really that serious? Well, both the casinos and churches are closed. When both heaven and hell agree on the same thing, it's probably pretty serious.
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User is offline   Jimmy 

  • Let's go Brandon!

#214

The funny thing is the cure costs less than $20 but the media suppresses it.
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User is offline   Danukem 

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#215

View PostMARTYR, on 04 April 2020 - 10:03 PM, said:

The funny thing is the cure costs less than $20 but the media suppresses it.


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Well sure you can get any of their albums for under $20 but that's hardly news and I don't think anyone is suppressing it.
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User is offline   Jeff 

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View PostRADAЯ, on 04 April 2020 - 09:28 PM, said:

Is COVID-19 really that serious? Well, both the casinos and churches are closed. When both heaven and hell agree on the same thing, it's probably pretty serious.


It may be infectious, but it's not like it kills everyone it comes into contact with.
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User is offline   Danukem 

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#217

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Why is the UK's death rate so high? It's currently at 12.3% of those infected, which is the same as Italy's. In contrast, the USA is just under 3% and Germany is under 2%.

Looking at the numbers, it's pretty obvious that the USA is testing way more people. Presumably this includes testing of a lot of non-critical cases, thereby lowering the death rate.

There is pressure driving the stats in both directions, though. The clamoring for more testing drives the death rate down as more and more non-critical cases are diagnosed. But at the same time, already diagnosed cases becoming critical and then becoming fatal drives the rate up. Also, once an area becomes overwhelmed with cases, there aren't enough resources to bother testing for mild cases, which means tested cases are the most acute ones and the death rate goes up.

In the USA, I suspect the following is happening: In many parts of the country that are not yet overwhelmed, there is a lot of testing going on including a lot of mild cases. But in more impacted areas, only the sickest are tested. We will probably see the death rate in the USA continue to climb for a while as more areas get overwhelmed. But then we will see the death rate drop in the weeks after the peak, as more testing becomes available and milder cases can be tested again.
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Why is the UK's death rate so high?

We have a thing called the National Health Service here, that death rate is fairly normal even before you factor the virus into things.
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User is offline   Danukem 

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#219

As we near the peak of the pandemic, there are about 1,200 deaths per day attributed to the virus in the USA. Current population growth in the USA is estimated by the Census Bureau to be .7% per year, which is very low by historical standards. That means that with all the usual causes of death, the USA population has been growing at about 776,000 people per year.

So if COVID-19 is an additional cause of death, how many people a day would it have to kill in the USA to put us at zero population growth? Not losing population, just staying the same. The answer is about 2,120 people per day. Think about that. If there was never any vaccine and if people continued to die at a rate of over 2000 people per day in the USA in perpetuity, in addition to people dying of all other normal causes, the population would not go down at all.
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User is offline   Forge 

  • Speaker of the Outhouse

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User is offline   Mark 

#221

Its a good thing there isn't any viral pandemic to worry about. Today I went food shopping, to 2 banks, the city dump, gas station, and hand delivered some mail accidently dropped in my box by the mailman. I'm thinking about a trip to the hardware store now.

This is great. We're back to filling an empty gas tank for just $20 again.

This post has been edited by Mark: 08 April 2020 - 10:51 AM

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User is offline   Forge 

  • Speaker of the Outhouse

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Well then do what they do in India, use your left hand and clean it at the sink.

Also never reach for food with your left hand in India, they seem to get really riled up for some reason.
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User is offline   Jeff 

#224

Some countries have replaced toilet paper with bidets.
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User is offline   Radar 

  • King of SOVL

#225

I have to confess: I love this quarantine lifestyle. I love working from home and never having to leave the house except for food.
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User is offline   Kyanos 

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User is offline   oasiz 

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#227

View PostRADAЯ, on 13 April 2020 - 07:50 AM, said:

I have to confess: I love this quarantine lifestyle. I love working from home and never having to leave the house except for food.

It's fine but during weekends I'd like to head somewhere else than just drink more moonshine at home.
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User is offline   Hank 

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User is offline   Jimmy 

  • Let's go Brandon!

#229

I really miss buffets.
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User is offline   Mark 

#230

I really miss going to the cinema every weekend and sometimes Tuesday too. I'm also sitting on a pile of repaired ham radio and military receivers and transmitters I bought, fixed up and had hoped to be selling at the radio flea markets this spring and summer. ;)
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User is offline   Radar 

  • King of SOVL

#231

I wanted to order take-out today. I first tried calling my favorite taqueria, but it kept going straight to dial tone. My second option was ordering Indian, but somebody answered just to tell me they open next month, lmao. There's a sushi place 1 minute away from me that I know is open, but I'm saving that for the weekend.

Makes you wonder if the restaurants that stay open are doing so out of desperation.
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User is offline   Mark 

#232

One of our local news outlets has a webpage where businesses still open for business can get the word out. There are still a ton of restaurants and fast food places open for drive-thru and carryout. At Little Cesars Pizza I was able to walk right in, order a pizza, pay and walk out. Good for them. ( and me ) Same with another neighborhood mom and pop pizza joint.

Now that I think about it, I'm eating more fast food this month than usual. Maybe just to get out of the house since my movie going days have been curtailed.

This post has been edited by Mark: 14 April 2020 - 07:05 PM

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User is offline   Jeff 

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Some video I watched earlier today.

https://www.facebook...65333511002518/

This post has been edited by Jeff: 14 April 2020 - 11:15 PM

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User is offline   Forge 

  • Speaker of the Outhouse

#234

I'm enjoying the 45 mile drives only taking 45 minutes instead of 2 hours
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User is offline   Radar 

  • King of SOVL

#235

Anyone else receive $1200 in their account today? ;) I was awaiting a check in the mail (which I wasn't going to cash, as I practice what I preach. I'm also still employed, so I don't "need" it). Makes me wonder if this is actually going to help people in need, as you probably won't receive a deposit if you 1) Don't have a bank account, and 2) Don't file taxes (the money is deposited by the IRS). Looks like a lame middle-class kickback to me.
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User is offline   Mark 

#236

I'm retired so I'm not expecting an IRS handout. But I did receive my $100 rebate check yesterday for my 2 vehicles insured with American Family. They said less miles driven and fewer cars on the road makes for less accidents they have to pay for. So they did a good PR move with the rebates.

This post has been edited by Mark: 15 April 2020 - 01:14 PM

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User is offline   Danukem 

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View PostRADAЯ, on 15 April 2020 - 09:44 AM, said:

Anyone else receive $1200 in their account today? ;) I was awaiting a check in the mail (which I wasn't going to cash, as I practice what I preach. I'm also still employed, so I don't "need" it). Makes me wonder if this is actually going to help people in need, as you probably won't receive a deposit if you 1) Don't have a bank account, and 2) Don't file taxes (the money is deposited by the IRS). Looks like a lame middle-class kickback to me.


There's plenty of people who filed taxes and are out of work right now or have drastically reduced hours. If you feel it's money you don't need, the best thing you could do is spend it and put it into the economy.

The checks in the mail are slightly delayed right now because Trump insisted on having his name specially printed on them; those will come later to those who filed taxes but didn't provide bank info to the IRS. EDIT: There's conflicting reports about whether including his name caused any delay. It's possible that his detractors within the IRS spread that as misinformation. Still a bad look, imo.

This post has been edited by Trooper Dan: 15 April 2020 - 05:00 PM

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User is offline   Danukem 

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I've read a lot of articles lately, of varying degrees of informativeness and credibility. This one, though, really stuck out as providing useful and plausible information. I'm going to paste the contents in here, because often articles get blocked by paywals or ads that people don't want to enable.

The upshot is that in heavily impacted areas such as NY city, the infection rate amongst the population is at least 15% already, so about 10 times the reported numbers. And this implies that the death rate among the infected is about 1%, which is close to the original estimate, not the higher rates that have been reported since. That's good, but the other takeaway is that in areas that have not been heavily impacted, the infection rate is still very low. So that bad news is that if you live in an area where hospitals have not been overwhelmed, and you think that you are safe -- think again.

https://finance.yaho...-191430969.html

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(Bloomberg Opinion) -- Of the 215 women who delivered babies at New York-Presbyterian Allen Hospital and Columbia University Irving Medical Center in Upper Manhattan from March 22 through April 4, 214 were tested for the coronavirus that causes Covid-19. Thirty-three of them, or more than 15%, tested positive, even though only a few had symptoms. In Gangelt, a German town that makes a big deal out of Karneval (aka Mardi Gras) and had a major coronavirus outbreak after this February’s festivities, 500 residents were tested for evidence of either the virus or the antibodies that indicate one has recovered from it, and 15% of them tested positive as well.
Meanwhile, in Iceland, randomized testing of the population found 0.6% of those tested in late March and early April to have the disease. In San Miguel County in the mountains of Colorado (the ski town of Telluride is the county seat) widespread testing for coronavirus antibodies had as of Tuesday afternoon delivered a 0.6% positive ratio and an additional 1.5% of “borderline” results.
What these preliminary findings (those from New York and Iceland were published in the peer-reviewed New England Journal of Medicine, the German data are from an as-yet-incomplete University of Bonn study and the Colorado numbers are simply posted daily on the county website) seem to show is that in places hit very hard by Covid-19, a surprisingly large number of people have been infected with it, and that in the rest of the world, very few have.
This means that the occasional hopeful suggestions that the coronavirus is already widespread globally and herd immunity will be putting an end to the pandemic any minute now are most likely bunk. But it also means — and this was already the view of pretty much every epidemiologist whose work I have consulted — that the confirmed coronavirus cases reported by governments and tabulated in places like the Johns Hopkins University coronavirus map represent only the tip of the iceberg of actual infections, especially in disease hot spots. Another way of putting it is that if you live in rural Colorado and had a fever in February, that wasn’t the coronavirus. If you live in New York City and had a fever in late March, it probably was.
Out of a population of 8.4 million, New York City had 111,424 confirmed Covid-19 cases as of Tuesday evening. If those pregnant women in Upper Manhattan are representative of the city as a whole, though, nearly 1.3 million New Yorkers have or have had the disease. That in turn implies a ratio of fatalities to infections of about 1% so far, not the 9.8% one gets dividing deaths by confirmed cases.
A fatality rate of about 1% happens to be the estimate arrived at in the first major disease-severity study published back in February by the much-cited Covid-19 modeling team at Imperial College London, and is still used widely in projections of the disease’s potential impact. A more recent study by the same group puts the infection fatality rate in China at a slightly lower 0.66%, but New York City has a higher percentage of people 65 and older than China does, which given the disease’s much greater severity among senior citizens should drive the rate higher. In other words, my guesstimate that the actual number of Covid-19 cases in New York City is more than 10 times the number of confirmed cases squares with expert guesstimates of the severity of the disease. It also squares with my personal experience in the city over the past few weeks, with multiple friends and family members displaying symptoms of Covid-19, and hardly any of them getting tested.
This should make us more confident about how to adjust official coronavirus data that, as Cathy O’Neil detailed here at Bloomberg Opinion a couple of days ago and Faye Flam did last month, is obviously quite incomplete. In places where the disease seems to be overwhelming the health-care system, like New York City over the past few weeks and Iran, Italy and Spain before that, it seems safe to assume that there are at least 10 times more actual Covid-19 infections than confirmed cases. There probably aren’t 100 times more (which in New York City would imply more infections than there are people), and in areas where either testing is more widespread or the spread of the disease better under control (or both) the ratio of infections to confirmed cases may be well below 10.


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I guess the other takeaway is that while 15% is a lot of people, it's still nowhere near herd immunity. It probably represents that part of the population that engages in risky social interaction, either because they are forced to (e.g. healthcare workers) or because they are ignorant/don't give a fuck/whatever. (It also includes some people who weren't taking many risks but were just very unlucky). Even if all 15% have effective antibodies and can't be re-infected, that still leaves room for another large wave later on. BUT: assuming that those initial 15%ers were those engaging in the most risky activity, that means that the remaining population can be expected to spread it much more slowly. So, it's reasonable to infer that no wave is going to be as big as the first wave

This post has been edited by Trooper Dan: 15 April 2020 - 04:49 PM

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User is offline   Mark 

#239

15%ers... ;)
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User is offline   Radar 

  • King of SOVL

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