[High Treason]

You need money to make money.

For example, in such a location, the only industry is the so-called 'service industry', which consists of being a carer, working for the council or working in an office. You can't go and be a carer or a nurse, because you generally need nursing qualifications to do this and it costs money to get these, also you need to be at least something of a people person. You can't work for the council (Government), because nobody ever gets those jobs. In the past you could get a job with them in the departments dealing with maintaining social housing, such as plumbing, but they now contract private firms, who are usually out of town, plus they sold off most of the social housing. You can't get a job with these firms as they won't employ natives, due to immigrants working for pittance and you need qualifications anyway, which cost money that you don't have, because you haven't had a job that pays well enough.
This leaves you with office jobs. You won't get those, because you need to have experience before they will employ you. You don't have any experience, because they haven't employed you before.

What if you could afford education? Assume they'll even let you pursue what you want - which they probably won't. Well good, now you've got that degree in whatever, but it's worthless. The only jobs it could have gotten you are out of town, so you need a car (our public transport infrastructure isn't great, it is very expensive and slow) and cars cost a lot of money, especially the insurance because you haven't driven before. After all that, you'll get turned down because of never having worked such a job before anyway. The only friends I have with decent paying jobs are the ones who had the money to start driving and it took them years to get a job, with said jobs being out of town. These jobs still don't pay well enough for them to move out of town, so they're stuck renting one bedroom flats and such for three figures a week rent. They're lucky, given there's a housing shortage.

The system is broken.

For the record, one of the best decisions I ever made was to drop out of education. Complete waste of time and money, far too stressful for no return. While the people around me were busy chasing worthless pieces of paper, I was getting my own place and figuring out how to get things done, while most of them still live with their parents all this time later and still haven't found employment outside of McDonalds or ASDA (Walmart).

[Aristotle Gumball]

High Treason, on 22 November 2020 - 09:10 AM, said:

Depends on your situation really, you can't just pick something, get good at it and make a career of it if there's no demand for it where you are. If you live in a 'post-industrial' residential area, you'd better be pretty passionate about McDonalds or shopping carts.

There were so many reasons for me to get into programming honestly. Estonia is really big into IT and those are the majority of well paying jobs. But one of the main reasons was that I could learn on my own, at my own pace, and jobs generally don't care about degrees, which in my case they haven't. Getting the first decent paying job was hard, but after that I've had my experience to point to, and it's kept me going all this time.

My company also hires a lot of people from different countries who have never been to Estonia, so working remotely is pretty normal.

If that's not your thing, though, plenty of graphic design and writing jobs out there too.

Sometimes people are just dumb and have to struggle really hard. I have a somewhat high IQ, but piss poor working memory, so it was never smooth sailing. Apparently memory's one of the first things to go with heavy childhood abuse. You develop ADHD-like traits. So that, and depression/anxiety are some of my struggles.

I still hate so much of daily existence tbh.

High Treason, on 22 November 2020 - 09:29 AM, said:

For the record, one of the best decisions I ever made was to drop out of education. Complete waste of time and money, far too stressful for no return. While the people around me were busy chasing worthless pieces of paper, I was getting my own place and figuring out how to get things done, while most of them still live with their parents all this time later and still haven't found employment outside of McDonalds or ASDA (Walmart).

Agreed, and same here. Know several people in their late 20s, early 30s living with parents, thinking about suicide.

Whenever I tried to help them, they just shot me down or acted like I hadn't been where they are. I always had so much anger and hate in me that I needed to be independent.

I think ck is spot on about wanting it enough. But again, I think some people are just fucked with their character traits and maybe cognition not being up to where it should be. I wish more money went into researching these things. Beyond solving the environmental causes of poverty and inequality, you have to look at the biological causes at some stage.

[ck3D]

High Treason, on 22 November 2020 - 09:29 AM, said:

You need money to make money.

Money builds up if you can treat it wisely, though. I had zero money myself growing up (in a small town in a rural part of the country too with a spectrum of opportunities similar to the ones you describe), when I started going to university (which is free here and in my case was very humble), all the grants I was technically due throughout the years went directly to my parents' pockets, I was even in debt for a while after my mother once tricked me into buying her boss' used car (which I never needed, died on me within the year and ended up costing me thousands). I normally don't recommend dropping out of education because education itself (not its systemization) is important but I eventually came to a point where I essentially gave up on trusting my environment, quit uni just prior to graduating (which might have been my loss in retrospect but I don't regret it one bit) and worked my ass off at a factory because the pay there was good for over a year until I could afford moving out. At that point I had a very clear idea of what I wanted to do out of the passions I had, as well as good enough skills I had developed on my own in my spare time, and just said fuck it and trusted my guts. Floated around not making any dough (and actually doing tons of free work) for a bit, making little sacrifices until everything eventually came together, but that's because I let it. Right now my industry is fucked with Covid and I've been back to a more frugal lifestyle this year, but I'm used to it already and don't mind it. As a consumer I always was pretty much non-existent to society but for the bare necessities anyway, pretty much all of my clothing is stuff my friends make and I wouldn't have it any other way. Side note, but I also don't drive anymore to this day because I'm with you on fuck cars and how expensive owning one gets.

That's my basic story but there is nothing exceptional about it and the other people with a similar background (and more monetarily fruitful positions than mine) that I know are plentiful. You just gotta embrace how open the (rest of the) world is, your personal abilities, and dare starting somewhere.

Embittered Phallus, on 22 November 2020 - 09:32 AM, said:

But again, I think some people are just fucked with their character traits and maybe cognition not being up to where it should be. I wish more money went into researching these things. Beyond solving the environmental causes of poverty and inequality, you have to look at the biological causes at some stage.

I actually think about that a lot because in addition to successful friends I also have a bunch of talented ones who don't do shit or sleep on their potential. It's only worth so much as 'research' but my understanding is those people usually are disconnected from the actual reality of the world, for whatever reason, sometimes they are naive expectations when it comes to the fucking magnets, sometimes they have delusions of grandeur (actually those two seem to frequently go hand in hand), sometimes they lack ambition for something that looks out of reach, sometimes they don't but they don't have the self-confidence to go for it or whatever personal barrier of disbelief. It probably doesn't help that every emerging recognizable name in a field quickly becomes 'starified' as a money maker and their owner put on a social pedestal, giving off the impression that no, this really couldn't be you and that's why you're going to need to purchase a piece of alleged greatness their product is, real bad.

[Jimmy]

Danukem, on 22 November 2020 - 04:08 AM, said:

As I said above, if the decision-makers were actually serious about protecting vulnerable people as they claim, if that were really their motivation, there are ways to do it without wrecking the lives of everyone who isn't rich.

It's called consolidation; strengthen governments and corporations, weaken individuals.

Embittered Phallus, on 22 November 2020 - 09:05 AM, said:

I meant that the idea of "finding one's passion" is overrated and the wrong approach for most. You develop a passion once you become good at something and see the potential of your work has in terms of money and providing utility for people. So many get stuck at the point of not knowing what to do, and they see this message "find your passion", but what if you have nothing, or it's not enough?

I think everyone would be better off if they were more pragmatic. Look at where your natural aptitudes lie and pick something that exploits the aptitude. You will see avenues open up that you couldn't conceive of when you started.

High Treason is right. The entire system has been rigged so that people cannot get anywhere, unless they want to devote themselves slaves to the system. No matter how good you are at something, if you don't have some worthless piece of paper attached to your name you will get nowhere.

[High Treason]

Education was a waste because I wanted to do plumbing, but they pushed me into cooking one year, then business, then IT, none of which I wanted to do and none of which were useful here - the last course especially was a waste, given I was already qualified to teach a level above the course they shoved me into due to things I was forced into doing before, as I never wanted to work with technology. To that end, someone somehow got me a teaching job once, without consulting me first, with primary school kids. I never showed up, tried to tell the school I never applied and they got mad at me and insisted I show up, wouldn't have it that it wasn't my fault. Pay was shit anyway, apparently, and I hate being around other people's kids.

Nah, dropping out was definitely the right thing to do. The only problem was the getting my own place thing. I'm glad I did, wouldn't change that for anything, but it's also a trap because it prevents me from ever actually working - which is what the system is designed to do. Because I'm stuck with only minimum wage jobs if I go to work, I wouldn't be able to afford rent. Unlike my friends, I was in a kids' home, so would have been thrown out quite soon if I didn't get out right then and I couldn't go and squat in a family member's house, because I come from an older, more traditional family, where I'd have already been booted out at 16, long before the kids' home would have thrown me to the street. If I ever have to get a McDonalds job, I lose the house.

There is a way out that some people seem to go for, which is to run up debts, where you get everything on finance and on credit and hope it never catches up with you. Problem is, it does, and then you're even worse off than if you just made the best of the situation in whatever way you could. It's almost as if debt is what they want you to do.

[Aristotle Gumball]

Jimmy, on 22 November 2020 - 09:56 AM, said:

High Treason is right. The entire system has been rigged so that people cannot get anywhere, unless they want to devote themselves slaves to the system. No matter how good you are at something, if you don't have some worthless piece of paper attached to your name you will get nowhere.

Yeah, I wanna say that really varies based on where you live and what industry you're in. Tons of tech savvy nerds where I work who didn't even graduate high school, but some places really care about education.

"Estonia, is ranked the third in Europe regarding the highest number of startups per capita." - this really helps I think. Startups here will hire anyone, since they have less bargaining power and most people don't want to be building stuff from the ground up. A startup was my foot in the door so to speak.

High Treason, on 22 November 2020 - 10:03 AM, said:

If I ever have to get a McDonalds job, I lose the house.

Fuck, that's rough. Happens in America too, where it makes more sense to not work. Probably elsewhere too, I just know some Americans who are in that situation.

[Balls of Steel Forever]

Sidebar rant;

Spoiler

I want everyone's beliefs to be challenged constantly because I want to know why you believe.

Nothing is real per se, it's just a compilation of our environment and our senses.

If I attaca up a fetus and ensure it doesn't sense anything for all of it's existence, it's view of reality will be wildly different than anyone elses.

Because of that, I want to know what makes you tick. I want to know who you are, how you react, that's all that matters to me, what is your reality, and how do you interpret it. If you interpret your reality well I'll respect you, if you interpret your reality childishly I'll act like a man child and treat you like a man child.

It really ticks me when someone believes what they say is wholly true, and is extremely confident in such, because nothing is wholly true.

The only belief l have is something I know is false that I can't shake.

My life is a set of rules that I know can be challenged. So I'm open to be challenged, I want to be challenged, and I can change my opinion on things.

When someone closes themselves off from criticism completely, you're closing yourself off from reason. There is no point in talking with someone who is wholly unreasonable. I don't even know why such a person talks besides satiating their egos. It annoys me heavily, and I just want them to hopefully completely shut up, change, or an equivalent of completely shutting up, like leaving.

I also don't like people who talk greatly of themselves constantly, and never, never, truly admit wrong, and just change their ideals so they are right all the bloody time.

A person who comes here just to stir things up and not learn anything themselves is far worse then I am, learn to talk to yourself and stop wasting other people's time.

Also, dear phallus, I wasn't pretending it was all a troll. I clearly want you to shut up and gtfo, that is my primary goal, get rid of your wanting of a safe space for you to stroke your ego without my bullshit.

You like it here because you haven't gotten banned, I don't like people who like a forum for that reason.

However I think people get comfortable too soon,
They experience what life really is, decide whatever they do doesn't matter, it allows them to stop taking risks, or stop putting forth enough effort to advance themselves.

I don't see anything wrong with people being comfortable working at a Walmart or best buy.
Or people being comfortable with living with their parents.
What's wrong is when society doesn't allow such opportunities for everyone to obtain that base level of comfort.

[Jimmy]

It sounds like you live in a developing nation (I don't say that insultingly.) So those systems are being built right now, wherein they are entrenched here in America.

[jkas789]

ck3D, on 22 November 2020 - 08:12 AM, said:

Ah, I didn't ignore them on purpose but your second post clarified what you meant a bit better to me, I still disagree on nation-wide generalizations as different classes exist in every country including the ones you guys were mentioning but now if you're talking specific classes of population regardless of origin, then you make sense to me, for sure, the projections will definitely be different there. In several 'developing' countries and amongst the less wealthy and educated (that's two different clauses), there's one funny paradox I've observed where in addition to blaming their own lack of ambition and energy on the 'evil capitalists', a big part of the hatred is fueled by their frustration of being excluded from that world. I can think of plenty of people from all over (my own country included) that I know who act rebellious right now as they lack resources, yet it's painfully obvious that they would completely turn their vest around for the smallest promise from the corporate world. But in a sense that's also a sign of ignorance from being secluded, just intellectually here, those people have yet to experience the limits of the system they're looking up to for now and they can only first get in its reach by accepting to change their reality (and the work that comes with that), like you sound like you did.

There is also this thing I've observed where in places with very few cultural stimuli and limited education, people tend to mythify the idea of success (as the keys to it seem all the more out of reach) to the point where they wouldn't even recognize it if it happened to their closest ones (unless said success consists in appearing on TV or going viral). I've also made quite the amount of sacrifices for my career to get to the exact point I always wanted to get, yet my parents look at me like I'm a bum unless it's time to 'borrow' my clothes for my younger brothers; it's as though my life would only really exist if I started working a factory job again because in a way that's the only language they speak.

Yes, yo see this in Mexico lots. We taco people believe a lot of this shit.

[jkas789]

Balls of Steel Forever, on 22 November 2020 - 10:08 AM, said:

I want everyone's beliefs to be challenged constantly because I want to know why you believe.

Nothing is real per se, it's just a compilation of our environment and our senses.

If I attaca up a fetus and ensure it doesn't sense anything for all of it's existence, it's view of reality will be wildly different than anyone elses.

Because of that, I want to know what makes you tick. I want to know who you are, how you react, that's all that matters to me, what is your reality, and how do you interpret it. If you interpret your reality well I'll respect you, if you interpret your reality childishly I'll act like a man child and treat you like a man child.

It really ticks me when someone believes what they say is wholly true, and is extremely confident in such, because nothing is wholly true.

The only belief l have is something I know is false that I can't shake.

My life is a set of rules that I know can be challenged. So I'm open to be challenged, I want to be challenged, and I can change my opinion on things.

When someone closes themselves off from criticism completely, you're closing yourself off from reason. There is no point in talking with someone who is wholly unreasonable. I don't even know why such a person talks besides satiating their egos. It annoys me heavily, and I just want them to hopefully completely shut up, change, or an equivalent of completely shutting up, like leaving.

I also don't like people who talk greatly of themselves constantly, and never, never, truly admit wrong, and just change their ideals so they are right all the bloody time.

A person who comes here just to stir things up and not learn anything themselves is far worse then I am, learn to talk to yourself and stop wasting other people's time.

Also, dear phallus, I wasn't pretending it was all a troll. I clearly want you to shut up and gtfo, that is my primary goal, get rid of your wanting of a safe space for you to stroke your ego without my bullshit.

You like it here because you haven't gotten banned, I don't like people who like a forum for that reason.

You know BOSF, I have always known you were a weird dumbass. But holy shit you are not only a weird dumbass you are also a relativist!

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If you interpret your reality well I'll respect you, if you interpret your reality childishly I'll act like a man child and treat you like a man child.

Interpret reality according to who? Or what? You? Nothing matters right, everything is false, there is not immutable truth. All depends upon which spyglass you are looking through? Fucking clown.

Truly you have become what you hate the most. Your childish takes are the most beautiful of all. Case in point:

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There are many examples of a government changing for the better also. We can look at things like the magna carta for instance. Japan post wwii. Turkey post fall of the ottoman empire. Tito post monarchy (not much better) gorbachev post communism, south africa post apartheid, I'm sure there's other examples.

South africa post fucking apartheid

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There are multiple sources that said we did learn positive things, particularly with syphilis and frostbite. Am I saying that it was worth committing war crimes? Fuck no, Should we have granted them immunity for such evils? Fuck no, Did we probably learn horrible shit too? Yeah, but the u.s. does just as evil things as evidenced with the phoenix program. We did learn helpful things from it though.

Fucking retard.

Anyways back to the topic of conversation, and out of this autistic divergence we had about tribalism and shiiiieeet, the FDA issued an emergency use authorization (EUA) for casirivimab and imdevimab to be administered together for the treatment of mild to moderate COVID-19.

[Danukem]

This has become an excellent thread for the most part, I have read some very insightful and wise posts over the last few days. And I do think the socioeconomic discussion is directly relevant to the pandemic. Unfortunately, the sideshow with BosF versus pretty much everyone else is shitting on the thread and I wish it would stop.

[jkas789]

Danukem, on 22 November 2020 - 12:42 PM, said:

This has become an excellent thread for the most part, I have read some very insightful and wise posts over the last few days. And I do think the socioeconomic discussion is directly relevant to the pandemic. Unfortunately, the sideshow with BosF versus pretty much everyone else is shitting on the thread and I wish it would stop.

Honestly it has been very interesting to read,however I think the real meat and bones of the socioeconomic effects of the pandemic will come post global vaccination distribution, not pre. So about 1 year more. This as they say is the calm before the storm, and while I cannot talk about the future of the US of A, Canada, or the Old World I can talk about the future of Mexico, Central and South America. And from what I'm seeing I want out, ASAP.

[Balls of Steel Forever]

Danukem, on 22 November 2020 - 12:42 PM, said:

This has become an excellent thread for the most part, I have read some very insightful and wise posts over the last few days. And I do think the socioeconomic discussion is directly relevant to the pandemic. Unfortunately, the sideshow with BosF versus pretty much everyone else is shitting on the thread and I wish it would stop.

I apologise for making a scene.

I don't like phallus at all,
And believe that a person who is here solely to degrade others, and entertain his own fancy as he said himself by stating to me "no one is going to change the way I think" and repeatedly showing he likes people who like him, along with stating that insults provide better therapy then psychology.

I said before I wanted to leave because of him.
And if you think my scene is banworthy honestly do it.

Because me derailing everything because I'm pissy at one person was what I feared to happen, and here it is.

I have no self control and little self respect, but I really don't care for people who are a complete sham.

And yes I am a clown, because I judge others to my personal ruleset, as my rules are very broad, and when they continuously go too far, I want them to vanish, if I vanish so be it.

But a person that believes in total bs and false coping mechanisms, is garbage and needs to be taken out, if I'm garbage and need to be taken out, that's fair delete my account as I originally requested, it makes me hugely sick every time phallus opens his mouth and I am very tired of it.

I'd rather not be part of a forum that has a person retarded enough to insinuate that calling his schizophrenic friend a senile granpappy helped him more than anything else, along with him stating he knows better than my medical staff, because that is more retarded than all of my posts combined.

[Aristotle Gumball]

Balls of Steel Forever, on 22 November 2020 - 01:08 PM, said:

I apologise for making a scene.

I don't like phallus at all,
And believe that a person who is here solely to degrade others, and entertain his own fancy as he said himself by stating to me "no one is going to change the way I think" and repeatedly showing he likes people who like him, along with stating that insults provide better therapy then psychology.

I said before I wanted to leave because of him.
And if you think my scene is banworthy honestly do it.

Because me derailing everything because I'm pissy at one person was what I feared to happen, and here it is.

I have no self control and little self respect, but I really don't care for people who are a complete sham.

And yes I am a clown, because I judge others to my personal ruleset, as my rules are very broad, and when they continuously go too far, I want them to vanish, if I vanish so be it.

But a person that believes in total bs and false coping mechanisms, is garbage and needs to be taken out, if I'm garbage and need to be taken out, that's fair delete my account as I originally requested, it makes me hugely sick every time phallus opens his mouth and I am very tired of it.

I'd rather not be part of a forum that has a person retarded enough to insinuate that calling his schizophrenic friend a senile granpappy helped him more than anything else, along with him stating he knows better than my medical staff, because that is more retarded than all of my posts combined.

Almost everything you've said about me is wrong, and you put in quotes stuff I've never said, or never said with those words. I had an ex-GF like you once. She heard the most extreme, fucked up version of what I said, and granted I am a fucked up person, but at least get my brand of fucked up correct.

I doubt if your account gets deleted that you'll truly be satisfied and won't be back at some point. Why not just stop posting? I managed to do it for 6 months before this fucking COVID nonsense started and now I'm stuck at home. I keep alternating between lifting weights (I hit some PRs to arguments here), working in my IDE and obsessively checking threads here and on reddit.

I've never misrepresented myself and everyone's free to put me on their ignore list if they wish.

Who thinks I like people who like me? Radar was friendly to me and I shat on him. I said sorry to everyone I feel I wronged, but man, you're so off base it's not even funny. If they ban me here I'll just go somewhere else. Whatever.

The real problem is your lack of self control, but that's not anyone's problem but yours.

I care more about topics than people, but I'm not a complete asshole either. I'll just always care about what I think is right more how it'll affect the person. I mean, to a point anyway. Sometimes tough love is required.

Now, at the risk of sounding dramatic (speaking your language), I may have dug myself out of my personal hell, but I did with nobody's help, and I'm not going to pretend that something didn't die inside. It did, but... here I am anyway. Take me or leave me, nigga.

[Balls of Steel Forever]

Embittered Phallus, on 22 November 2020 - 01:47 PM, said:

Almost everything you've said about me is wrong, and you put in quotes stuff I've never said, or never said with those words. I had an ex-GF like you once. She heard the most extreme, fucked up version of what I said, and granted I am a fucked up person, but at least get my brand of fucked up correct.

I doubt if your account gets deleted that you'll truly be satisfied and won't be back at some point. Why not just stop posting? I managed to do it for 6 months before this fucking COVID nonsense started and now I'm stuck at home. I keep alternating between lifting weights (I hit some PRs to arguments here), working in my IDE and obsessively checking threads here and on reddit.

I've never misrepresented myself and everyone's free to put me on their ignore list if they wish.

Who thinks I like people who like me? Radar was friendly to me and I shat on him. I said sorry to everyone I feel I wronged, but man, you're so off base it's not even funny. If they ban me here I'll just go somewhere else. Whatever.

The real problem is your lack of self control, but that's not anyone's problem but yours.

I care more about topics than people, but I'm not a complete asshole either. I'll just always care about what I think is right more how it'll affect the person. I mean, to a point anyway. Sometimes tough love is required.

Now, at the risk of sounding dramatic (speaking your language), I may have dug myself out of my personal hell, but I did with nobody's help, and I'm not going to pretend that something didn't die inside. It did, but... here I am anyway. Take me or leave me, nigga.

Maybe it would be better if you had pics of the dms you sent me but those are going to be the only dms you don't have pics of.

You definitely said an equivalent of all of that stuff in private discussion, and then deleted the message board somehow.

I'd rather be ip banned then deal with you speaking.

I respond and make a fool of myself primarily because I want you to shut up and you never do.

[Aristotle Gumball]

Balls of Steel Forever, on 22 November 2020 - 01:49 PM, said:

You definitely said an equivalent of all of that stuff in private discussion, and then deleted the message board somehow.

I just blocked you. I guess that did the equivalent of whatever you're saying.

Bye now. Dan can remove these last posts, even though I think mine is quite beautiful.

[jkas789]

Balls of Steel Forever, on 22 November 2020 - 01:08 PM, said:

And yes I am a clown, because I judge others to my personal ruleset, as my rules are very broad, and when they continuously go too far, I want them to vanish, if I vanish so be it.

Well it good that you recognize your twisted world views are your own.

I don't care about the feud you and Embittered Phallus have. You are a random jackass on the internet arguing with another random jackass on the internet. Going by your fucking dumb clown ideology both of you are right and wrong and therefore any further conversation is fucking meaningless. He won't relent, you can't stop. Get off the fucking internet find a hobby to de stress than come back.

What I care about are your weird takes. Now going by this comment:

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I'd rather not be part of a forum that has a person retarded enough to insinuate that calling his schizophrenic friend a senile granpappy helped him more than anything else, along with him stating he knows better than my medical staff

It seems you have some type of involvement in the medical world. i have already given my views about covid as a Traumatologist orthopedist forced to work as a GP on the frontlines. Now please, post something productive in regards to the topic of the thread and give me your take on all this so far, instead of keeping with a useless internet feud that in the end won't matter at all as soon as you log out from here. Because it's the internet.

[Danukem]

Embittered Phallus, on 22 November 2020 - 02:04 PM, said:

I just blocked you. I guess that did the equivalent of whatever you're saying.

Bye now. Dan can remove these last posts, even though I think mine is quite beautiful.

Well for all I know some other mod or admin will come in and just nuke the entire thread, it wouldn't be the first time. I'll leave the posts above this one but I pledge to delete any further feuding/flaming posts relating to BosF versus anyone from this point forward. However I don't plan to be on the internet for the next few hours so there will be a delay and I will delete offending posts after I return if they are below this one.

[Balls of Steel Forever]

jkas789, on 22 November 2020 - 02:17 PM, said:

Well it good that you recognize your twisted world views are your own.

I don't care about the feud you and Embittered Phallus have. You are a random jackass on the internet arguing with another random jackass on the internet. Going by your fucking dumb clown ideology both of you are right and wrong and therefore any further conversation is fucking meaningless. He won't relent, you can't stop. Get off the fucking internet find a hobby to de stress than come back.

What I care about are your weird takes. Now going by this comment:



It seems you have some type of involvement in the medical world. i have already given my views about covid as a Traumatologist orthopedist forced to work as a GP on the frontlines. Now please, post something productive in regards to the topic of the thread and give me your take on all this so far, instead of keeping with a useless internet feud that in the end won't matter at all as soon as you log out from here. Because it's the internet.

I was talking about the 30-35 people I have worked with to get a proper diagnosis of schizo affective disorder depressive type. I apologise for making it seem I have any medical knowledge besides with my own illness. The psych ward was a fun time, and civilian psych wards are far worse then military.

I thank you for being on the front lines though and have major respect for that, because being hospitalized for so long, I know very well the variety of patients, even non psychiatric that you have to deal with, and sometimes the sane ones are complete asses. It's hard to deal with a fellow patient dying as a patient, and I imagine it's difficult as medical staff.

Given that I am not medical staff, or in any place of power, here is my worthless take.

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My opinion on this whole covid crisis, is that the closures are not bs. Our medical system can't handle normal days some times, and knowing how busy my local hospital is they definitely can't handle covid. We should have been more prepared or should have shut down our borders much earlier. This 1% death rate being overblown and illegitimate is wrong. If a man shot your family member and you could prevent it, would you? Our whole nation is attempting to prevent that gunman from shooting that family member and is doing what it thinks is best to prevent that, which is harming our economy deeply, but I can let you know that extreme poverty and homelessness is better than your family member being dead. There are better ways to deal with this, people have stated such before. Our government is not doing it's best sure. But alot of small businesses are empty because of the fear of covid, not because of the closures, businesses aren't even filling that 25% restaurant capacity. Why? People don't want their family dead. I would rather go back to living with nothing then ever chance my family of getting covid. People avoid oakland because of the crime rate, even though such crime is unlikely to happen to them, people avoid unnecessary businesses because a 1% death rate is enough to keep them away.

[jkas789]

Cool.

Now for anyone interested here are some statistics for the 22nd of November 2020:



Notice that the USA's mortality went down by .03 percent compared to the 20th. Good job gringos!

Meanwhile in taco land...



From the New York post: https://nypost.com/2...ta-experts-say/

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So far this year, the coronavirus has been attributed to more than 144,000 deaths nationally, although data scientists at the University of Washington recently predicted that number to balloon to over 200,000 by October — which would put COVID-19 handily in the No. 3 spot.

To be fair , this is all from July, so the statistics may have changed. Would be worth to check out the CDC page I posted to the thread prior to corroborate this.

[jkas789]

May I present you the president of Mexico, lying as easily as he breathes saying that thanks to the "strategy" used to control the covid infection curve our national health system is not on fire. When it is in fact on fire and a lot of public hospitals are not accepting patients because we have ran out of space to treat them. Also we have almost a 10% mortality rate.



Truly, we live in a fucking society.

[jkas789]

Physicians to strike, citing inadequate PPE and no breaks. Welp, this is going on in Marysville? I don't know where the heck it is, but AFAIK it is located in the US. If anyone on Duke4 lives there well now you know to go to another hospital while they clear up the situation.

[Forge]

jkas789, on 23 November 2020 - 01:11 PM, said:

Welp, this is going on in Marysville? I don't know where the heck it is, but AFAIK it is located in the US. If anyone on Duke4 lives there well now you know to go to another hospital while they clear up the situation.

it's north of seattle
Not surprised. The city gives all their tax money to the non-white victim class and homeless drug addicts. Then turns a blind eye when they riot, or pollute local parks into toxic sewage dumps. Part of the pandering the progressives do to stay in power.

i live a couple hours south of that. I filed a complaint with the management and upper management of my local clinic. Why they going to force me to wear a mask, but then tell me I have to take it off so they can take my temperature? I told them if they're going to make me follow their rules, then they should play the game, protect their staff, and get forehead thermometers

[ck3D]

So here Black Friday (a relative novelty in this country) was enough of a reason to reopen all the non-essential shops, apparently. Yet as citizens, we're still subjected to lockdown and fines when we leave the house for no justifiable reason, go figure. No wonder why people just can't take any given situation seriously anymore.

Cash Rules Everything Around Me, etc.

[Jimmy]

I wish Covid was real so it could kill all the consoomers.

[Forge]

Jimmy, on 29 November 2020 - 11:43 AM, said:

I wish Covid was real so it could kill all the consoomers.

well first, it would actually have to have the mortality rate that the government power-mongers and authoritarian "news" outlets would like you to believe it does.....

[ck3D]

Update: apparently, they pulled the Black Friday 'update' on the regulations just a day after allowing a 150 euro grant to every person under the age of 25 in the country (which I have yet to read up on, but sounds massive). So much for where my taxes are going and how well that generation will undoubtedly kickstart a whole new successful economy by gathering together in confined spaces to mass purchase AirPods from overseas. At least, on the plus side, the amount of time we're allowed outside (with paperwork) was just booted up from one hour per day to three.

[Danukem]

I have removed the last two posts from view because they were off topic in a way that would likely derail the thread and lead to more acrimony. One of the posts was well-written but I think the author of that post will understand. I also removed a post from Null which is already posted elsewhere by Null.

[Kyanos]

I was just checking in to see if you guys are ready.... apparently not.

Catch ya's on the flip side.