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User is offline   Aristotle Gumball 

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#511

Police arrest lockdown critic during a livestream.

Germans screaming like that sounds so eerie.
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User is offline   Jimmy 

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#512

This is payback for all the smug bullshit Europeans have been saying online to Americans for the past twenty years.
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User is offline   Danukem 

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Trump still has a chance to do one very good thing. He needs to drop the legal challenges and focus on providing emergency authorization for the vaccine(s). Regardless of whether you are willing to put the vaccine in your body, the fact of it being distributed will help put a stop to the power grab and lockdowns by undermining their justification.
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View PostHank, on 11 November 2020 - 05:36 AM, said:

Pfizer miracle vaccine, 90% effective, to cure a sickness with 99.5% survival rate, aka the Covid-19-Con. It needs only to contain meds to soften the covid symptoms to sell, for billions. Wow, all hail the blind, deaf and dumb of West.
And no, the lockdowns and severe travel restrictions will stay in effect. Coincidentally to the vaccine disclosure, the number of peeps having the Covid-19-Con skyrocketed, and not all nations can afford this vaccine, which allegedly is twice as effective as the flu vaccines.


Are you saying that the mortality rate from coronavirus is at 0.5%?
It sounds amazingly low compared to the statistics i've seen, and the mortality rate is likely higher than we think since we don't get full statistics from countries that decide not to lockdown, and hold back information.
The majority of people infected are the young people, where the survival rate is much higher. The older people haven't been infected as much, and their mortality rate is much, much higher.

So i'm just wondering if you have a source for that.



View PostDanukem, on 20 November 2020 - 02:53 PM, said:

Trump still has a chance to do one very good thing. He needs to drop the legal challenges and focus on providing emergency authorization for the vaccine(s). Regardless of whether you are willing to put the vaccine in your body, the fact of it being distributed will help put a stop to the power grab and lockdowns by undermining their justification.


He's gonna be busy. He only has a month left to build that wall.
But he's the savior of America, i'm sure he will succeed.

This post has been edited by bullerbullerseven: 20 November 2020 - 03:10 PM

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User is offline   Danukem 

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View Postbullerbullerseven, on 20 November 2020 - 03:07 PM, said:

Are you saying that the mortality rate from coronavirus is at 0.5%?
It sounds amazingly low compared to the statistics i've seen, and the mortality rate is likely higher than we think since we don't get full statistics from countries that decide not to lockdown, and hold back information.
The majority of people infected are the young people, where the survival rate is much higher. The older people haven't been infected as much, and their mortality rate is much, much higher.

So i'm just wondering if you have a source for that.


The publicized mortality rates are based on positive tests, which puts it at just under 3% in the USA. But we have known since April that there is a large percentage of non-symptomatic carriers and people who have very mild symptoms who don't get tested. The people who get tested are much more likely to have severe symptoms -- it's typically those symptoms that have brought them to the hospital or made them want to get tested. Therefore, it's pretty obvious to anyone who has been paying attention that the mortality rate has to be much lower than the officially publicized one.

This does not mean that the raw numbers of dead are being exaggerated, though -- in fact, "excess" deaths (comparing year-to-year total deaths) suggests that the number dying from it are significantly higher than the official stats. But again, the number of people infected is also higher than the official stats, probably much much higher, and that is what brings the fatality rate down.
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User is offline   Jimmy 

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There's no reason for him to drop litigation in order to make sure vaccines get distributed. He can literally do both things because it's not like lawyers are producing and distributing vaccines. He's an executive, which means he gets other people to do things.
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User is offline   jkas789 

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View PostDanukem, on 20 November 2020 - 02:53 PM, said:

Trump still has a chance to do one very good thing. He needs to drop the legal challenges and focus on providing emergency authorization for the vaccine(s). Regardless of whether you are willing to put the vaccine in your body, the fact of it being distributed will help put a stop to the power grab and lockdowns by undermining their justification.


I don't think he is gonna do this but it would be nice.

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So i'm just wondering if you have a source for that.


Survival rate is dependant on country, population, age, race, gender, etc. The CDC reported a 95-99% some time in September but because it was not for Mexico it kinda flew over my head.

if you are in the USA and are interested in watching covid become the 9th or 8th cause of death in 2020 (I stopped keeping track after it became number 10) in the USA you can visit the CDC Covid Data Tracker.

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But he's the savior of America, i'm sure he will succeed.


As a cynical taco boy and beaner mexican, it makes me laugh that americans think that both Trump or Biden, are a good thing. Or that democrats are better than republicans. Y'all should embrace the beauty of living in a society that is very slowly turning into a reenactment of "A Brave New World". Aldous Huxley was a prophet. The Fabians socialists won in the long run. We shall all just enjoy the ride and marvel at our bright future in a crumbling and ailing culture. To /s or not to /s. that is the real question.

I stand by what I said before: Kanye should have won.
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User is offline   Jimmy 

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He quite literally was a prophet. Brave New World wasn't a warning, it was a guidebook. These dark occultists have to signal their evil plans ahead of time. If people do not stop them, in their distorted view of how karma works, they believe it is a form of consent. He was connected to the Committee of 300, the Roundtable Group, the aforementioned Fabians. He was in on it.
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User is offline   Mark 

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Something I never quite understood. Hollywood loves making movies about futuristic societies with tyrannical government control. Their dreams come true. Yet it seems most of those movies have the main characters looking to bring down these corrupt empires and those eutopias are generally shown in a negative light. Seems counterproductive to trash the thing you wish to achieve in the future.
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User is offline   Jimmy 

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The function of predictive programming is to demoralize people into not taking action. Fiction wherein the hero loses isn't very compelling to the average person. But it doesn't matter, because if you sell the masses an idea of the future, a negative one, the average person will deny it's happening and tell others "You watch too many movies." "That could never happen, some Hollywood script writer came up with that."

This post has been edited by Jimmy: 20 November 2020 - 04:17 PM

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User is offline   Balls of Steel Forever 

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View PostMark, on 20 November 2020 - 04:09 PM, said:

Something I never quite understood. Hollywood loves making movies about futuristic societies with tyrannical government control. Their dreams come true. Yet it seems most of those movies have the main characters looking to bring down these corrupt empires and those eutopias are generally shown in a negative light. Seems counterproductive to trash the thing you wish to achieve in the future.

You have to appeal to a mass audience in order to pull a profit. You give the illusion of power to the individuals, make them believe they can change things, it keeps them docile. The individual remains confident that if need be he can change the world, as long as it stays that way the grand oligarchy will be able to get away with anything without raising so much as a finger.

Leviathan is a good movie that depicts that the government always wins. Most people see it, and think, that's just russia, something like that will never happen in my country, if so people would be in arms and riot, I guarantee you that it probably has multiple times. Let people believe the fairytale United We Stand, Confederacy = Racism and Slavery, be the change you want to see in the world, these keep us docile, that we can easily topple our government when it gets to the point of being a leviathan and get an outcome where we, the people, win. Is a falsehood. Even if we win, "they" will win.

It's already that leviathan.

And we did nothing.

Small divided confederate semi direct democracy a la switzerland, is the best way to rid the government of it's power.

At the very least step towards being a Confederacy with the states divided up even further, the smaller the government, the less power it has.

Give it back to it's people.

I doubt this can ever happen with the u.s. though, it's too late.

The leviathan has already been established.

As with all things take my opinion with a grain of salt.

This post has been edited by Balls of Steel Forever: 20 November 2020 - 04:51 PM

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User is offline   Mark 

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I was just making an observation and not so much a statement. Just like its popular for futuristic movies with highly advanced, super high tech, space travelling civilizations can't seem to make holographic projections without static, stutter, etc... ;)
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User is offline   Balls of Steel Forever 

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View PostMark, on 20 November 2020 - 05:36 PM, said:

I was just making an observation and not so much a statement. Just like its popular for futuristic movies with highly advanced, super high tech, space travelling civilizations can't seem to make holographic projections without static, stutter, etc... ;)

The future is powered by voxon photonics clearly ;)
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User is offline   Jimmy 

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It's part of the grift. They already have that technology, they just don't want you to think they do.
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View PostMark, on 20 November 2020 - 04:09 PM, said:

Seems counterproductive to trash the thing you wish to achieve in the future.

Movies cause people to go through the full emotional and dopamine cycle over success against the future, but without any effort. The *last* thing they want to do is too many shows where the heroes fail leaving the audience with unmet chemical satisfaction.

This entertainment cycle makes it so people overall are physically incapable of receiving any of the sort of satisfaction that comes with resisting because the pathways that provide emotional and chemical satisfaction have been carved out with shortcuts. Overall people can't even *conceive* of sticking with fight back behavior that our ancestors took for granted because the satisfaction our ancestors derived was pre-packaged for us in hyper amplified half hour to two hour doses starting in pre-verbal stages of development.

It's a drug and it has a dosage and it works very well.
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View PostInnervateInna, on 20 November 2020 - 06:53 PM, said:

Movies cause people to go through the full emotional and dopamine cycle over success against the future, but without any effort. The *last* thing they want to do is too many shows where the heroes fail leaving the audience with unmet chemical satisfaction.

This entertainment cycle makes it so people overall are physically incapable of receiving any of the sort of satisfaction that comes with resisting because the pathways that provide emotional and chemical satisfaction have been carved out with shortcuts. Overall people can't even *conceive* of sticking with fight back behavior that our ancestors took for granted because the satisfaction our ancestors derived was pre-packaged for us in hyper amplified half hour to two hour doses starting in pre-verbal stages of development.

It's a drug and it has a dosage and it works very well.


They call it television "programming" for a reason.
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User is online   ck3D 

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View PostJimmy, on 20 November 2020 - 01:47 PM, said:

This is payback for all the smug bullshit Europeans have been saying online to Americans for the past twenty years.


I'm sorry that's happened to you, however nurturing the divide and focusing on what separates people only fuels all prejudices. I'm sure you're aware the phenomenon exists both ways, I've been ostracized from online groups before due to being European when my origin was never even supposed to be a question in the discussions, and I'm not sure it was an European who made up the term 'Euro trash' (unless we once had a sense of humor), yet I hold literally zero prejudices against a phantasmal mental construction that would be 'people from the U.S.'. What I think is more reasonable to blame here is (again) general ignorance, people worldwide are mostly stupid and primal and will use any cathartic outlet they can to take public shits on subjects far outside their grasp (for example different cultures) to reassure themselves about their own cosy world view, representations and general position in existence as opposed to going for meaningful communication, what can you do but be the best man about it - fighting all of humanity's complexes would be one uphill battle.

I didn't even watch the video you're directly replying to by the way so the remark might be off mark; I definitely felt like making this cute point in general after reading your reply though.

Also, that law I was mentioning earlier was actually passed last night despite the overwhelming public opposition, I can't fucking believe it (or can I?). Journalists have been arrested already and demonstrations are going on right now (with more journalists getting arrested on the spot). Really feels like witnessing a fucking regime change.

This post has been edited by ck3D: 21 November 2020 - 08:53 AM

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User is offline   Aristotle Gumball 

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#528

Where do you live again, ck?
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User is offline   Outtagum 

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https://www.cbsnews....ovid-briefings/

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New York Governor Andrew Cuomo will soon receive the International Emmy Founders Award for his daily televised briefings on the coronavirus pandemic, the International Academy of Television Arts & Sciences announced Friday. The Academy said Cuomo will be acknowledged for "his leadership during the Covid-19 pandemic and his masterful use of television to inform and calm people around the world" in a live-streamed show on Monday.

"The governor's 111 daily briefings worked so well because he effectively created television shows, with characters, plot lines, and stories of success and failure," Bruce Paisner, president and CEO of the International Academy, said in a statement announcing the decision. "People around the world tuned in to find out what was going on, and New York tough became a symbol of the determination to fight back."

Some condemned the governor's Emmy on Twitter, writing that the award ignores the problems the state has experienced during the pandemic.

"This award makes sense because Cuomo isn't actually a competent, empathic Governor -- he just plays one on TV," wrote one progressive activist.

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User is offline   jkas789 

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Do tell, so that I never try to illegally emmigrate over there.


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and I'm not sure it was an European who made up the term 'Euro trash' (unless we once had a sense of humor), yet I hold literally zero prejudices against a phantasmal mental construction that would be 'people from the U.S.'.


I do. Everyone knows that gringos can be fucking weird sometimes. Like for example in medicine they have something called midlevels which are and I quote (from different gringo doctors who have tried to explain me):

Explanation a)

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I have struggled to explain what a midlevel (NP/PA) is in laymen terms to my parents who are from a different country. The most simple way I can sum it up is: they are nurses and masters level science students that essentially can act like a doctor even though they are not doctors.

This may be an offensive explanation to most midlevels but that’s distilling it down to its most laymen, foreigner friendly explanation.


Explanation b )

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Midlevels are basically practitioners of medicine but with less training/expertise than a physician. May get downvoted for stating this by the insecure, but the sheer gap in training volume supports my statement. Midlevels are part of the healthcare team, they perform many tasks that the physican does, but they are not the leaders. Essentially a midlevel is between supporting staff like a nurse and the physician at the top. By and large, when they stay within the scope of their training, they do a great job from my experience .


and the autistic explanation c)

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They're allowed some of the same rights and privileges doctors are, such as prescribing drugs and tests. They have less training. PAs go through a 3 year master's program that's based on medical school, but pared down to one year of coursework and two years of clinical. NP programs are extremely variable and don't really conform to any centralized standards, but are often online, and increasingly students need to pay NPs or physicians to precept for them to cover their clinical rotations. PAs often do a fellowship after finishing school to gain specialized skills to be a PA in a particularly specialty, such as EM or cardiology.

When utilized properly, they should make life easier for a physician. They will often manage "bread and butter" simple cases independently, take histories, assist with surgeries or procedures (more PAs and fewer NPs in the OR), handle refills, answer questions from patients, screen lab results or imaging results, etc. A good midlevel (or APP or NPP or whatever you want to call them) will understand the limits of their training, and go to a physician if a case ends up being more complex than they feel comfortable with, or if they don't understand how to interpret a particular test.

The reason you see a lot of hostility on this board (and others, particularly those frequented by younger doctors or med students/residents) is because a lot of corporate employers are perceived as improperly utilizing midlevels to do a physician's job, because they get paid half as much. There's also a lot of bitterness from residents and med students, because quite frankly residency and med school are often torturously shitty, and they have to watch someone who graduated at the same time as them now doing a job pretty darn similar to what they're training for after spending far less time training, not going half a million dollars into debt, and having a far better work/life balance than they can ever hope for even after they finish training. Additionally, the national organization that represents NPs is lobbying hard for states to give them independent practice rights, effectively making them legally equivalent to doctors despite the vast gulf in training. This rubs a lot of doctors the wrong way, and makes them feel understandably threatened. This is even more threatening if you've just sunk half a million dollars and ten years of your life into your training.

In theory, and usually in practice, midlevels make a healthcare team run better. Sometimes in practice they don't make a healthcare team run better, and given the profit focus of our system and the opportunities for soulless corporate overlords to exploit midlevel practice rights for profit, many worry that it will make our system which is currently pretty shitty to work in for your average doctor even worse in the long run.


Which I must emphasize, that is some weird shit that is sure to get the hospital sued I bet.

Also spring breakers gringos are the worst/best. The worst because they fuel the ever present drug economy, leave dirty beaches, harass mexican girls and do dumb drunk shit. The best because the woman are hot and drunk, also you guys throw a shitload of money to the tourism sector of my country. So thanks.

Come to think of it, canadians are also like that, but in winter. Crazy motherfuckers come to our beaches and swim on them when we are actually freezing.
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User is online   ck3D 

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View PostEmbittered Phallus, on 21 November 2020 - 08:57 AM, said:

Where do you live again, ck?


France, here's a quick glimpse into our current situation through a random link I just found: https://www.sortirap...provide/lang/en

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The draft law on Global Security gets itself talked about. Even though Paris is soon to be fitted with municipal police, the law focuses on the tensions because of article 24 for the draft law on Global Security aiming at banning disseminating images of law enforcement officials.

UNO has even shared “serious worries” as for the topic of this controversial text; the institution fears “passing and implementing this draft law could lead to major harm to the Human Rights and fundamental liberties”.

Article 24 for this draft law provides for penalties for broadcasting videos in which police officers or gendarmes are identifiable – excluding their ID number, the “RIO” mandatorily visible for everyone – “with the aim of causing physical or psychological harm”. Contraveners risk a year’s imprisonment and a €45,000 fine.

A demonstration in front of the National Assembly against the draft law on Global Security has been announced this Tuesday to condemn this article. Demonstrators are worried for the freedom of press and about misbehaviors that could occur in the law enforcement official ranks in the future.

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User is offline   Aristotle Gumball 

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They're making us wear masks in public again, starting Monday. Second wave hitting hard. As a side effect, when I use the public transport, or go anywhere really, I notice a lot more drunk people in broad daylight. Wife gets bothered any time I'm not with her to the point where she comes home crying, etc. This shit is starting to feel apocalyptic. I mean, so many people are out of work, had their lives disrupted and I have been working from home since April (I think?), which is set to continue until the end of the year at least, and probably further.

I don't know how you guys feel, but the sense of powerlessness is quite overwhelming. I absolutely think this virus was concocted in a lab and unleashed on purpose, lol. It's a perfect way to pass a bunch of these restrictive laws, just as they've done during any crisis, except this time going all out and possibly transforming our lives for decades to come. Yeah, what an "opportunity" indeed.
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User is offline   Danukem 

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I don't believe it was concocted, but I could be convinced -- as with many conspiracy theories I agree that the motive is there but I have doubts relating to the competance and coordination required and think it's more likely to have happened naturally. However, it doesn't really matter. For the people who want to run our lives, there's always going to be a crisis or societal problem that they can use as an excuse. Some are real, some are imagined or exaggerated, but the "solutions" offered always have the effect of giving the government more power and usually don't even solve the problem. As long as most people are sheep that can be easily terrified into giving up the freedoms that they put little value on in the first place, this won't stop. You know that a crisis or "crisis" is being used as a power grab when there is no serious discussion about costs versus benefits, or outright lies about what will happen if the government doesn't take drastic measures. The minute they have milked everything they can out of COVID-19, they will start banging the drums more loudly about global warming and systemic racism.

We knew early on that the virus is vastly more dangerous to the elderly and for people who have specific health conditions. Any intelligent person who thinks about this for more than a few seconds can see that if your goal is actually to protect vulnerable people, then your solution needs to be focused on those people. Human beings are self-motivated and want to survive -- they generally know when they are in a vulnerable group and will take action to protect themselves, if they are given the opportunity. At a small fraction of the cost we have paid for "lockdowns" and "economic stimulus checks", we could have set up shelters for the vulnerable who volunteered to be in them, or funded health workers to advise them in their homes, and cut checks for some of them so that they could afford to stay out of the workforce and isolate themselves. Most of them are retired anyway so it's largely a problem of reducing their exposure to the outside world and younger members of their families who interact with the public. In the U.S., if we were taking measures to protect and support the 10% most vulnerable in the population (again, only if they volunteered for extra protection -- no one is forced into it) and everyone else went about their business, we would be in a much better place right now, economically, mental health-wise, and probably in terms of death toll as well. But nothing like that was even seriously considered. Because, never let a crisis go to waste.
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User is offline   Jimmy 

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It might have sounded like I was dunking on you in particular, ck. But I assure you I wasn't. I just remember, especially during the Bush era, Europeans online would have this imaginary notion that their countries were more safe and free. Between this and the mass immigration problem, you'd have to be blind to think so. And I'm not happy about it happening either, but certain people, especially the politicians, have earned this situation that you all have to suffer under now. The truth is anything that happens in Europe happens in the US in fifteen to twenty years.

This post has been edited by Jimmy: 21 November 2020 - 01:17 PM

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User is offline   Aristotle Gumball 

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People from rich EU countries are some of the most sheltered, docile motherfuckers out there. East Euros are more angry because we still remember the Soviet Union.
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User is online   ck3D 

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Jimmy - no worries, I didn't take anything from your post personally. I think the tendency you're describing really comes down to how, in most every Western country it seems like (of course not exclusively), people in general have it crammed in their head from an early age on that their country is #thebest for this or that reason, regardless of the history or current policies of said country, and unless they get out of their comfort zone to travel and see the world by themselves then it's tough for many to evolve past that two-dimensional stage. A few times I've overheard people here crack jokes on how the U.S. brainwashes its people into thinking they live in the best place on Earth but those are obviously imbeciles who fail to realize how they're victim of the local variety of what's exactly the same groupthink they feel in position to criticize, just maybe swap a few big fundamental values in the keywords. Not to mention how their own country has been sacrificing its local economy for the biggest part of the last 30 years to totally latch onto the U.S. and become a short-lived Little America that's just now realizing its legs might not withstand that weight. I don't think there is any country on Earth that tells its people 'well, in fact this place really sucks for this number of reasons and you guys would be better off somewhere else'; they will always find big flashy words to claim. Not getting the extra perspective only results in groups who keep clashing against everyone in sight who appears to represent a different version of what they were always taught was truth, and thus, less constructive communication. I'm just always wary of division.

We totally had a lot of things coming, though, that's for sure. Don't we all?

This post has been edited by ck3D: 21 November 2020 - 02:01 PM

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View PostEmbittered Phallus, on 21 November 2020 - 09:54 AM, said:

They're making us wear masks in public again, starting Monday. Second wave hitting hard. As a side effect, when I use the public transport, or go anywhere really, I notice a lot more drunk people in broad daylight. Wife gets bothered any time I'm not with her to the point where she comes home crying, etc. This shit is starting to feel apocalyptic. I mean, so many people are out of work, had their lives disrupted and I have been working from home since April (I think?), which is set to continue until the end of the year at least, and probably further.

I don't know how you guys feel, but the sense of powerlessness is quite overwhelming. I absolutely think this virus was concocted in a lab and unleashed on purpose, lol. It's a perfect way to pass a bunch of these restrictive laws, just as they've done during any crisis, except this time going all out and possibly transforming our lives for decades to come. Yeah, what an "opportunity" indeed.


Sorry to hear.
I always make sure to ask "Who is gaining what from this?" And that almost always leads me to the source.
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User is offline   Jimmy 

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I think the EU kind of mindfaked the average person. Some dummy could go to Britain, France, Germany, Spain and Sweden and think they're some big time world traveler. That would be like me taking a cross country trip in the US. Worst part is this person has "traveled the world" and never seen real poverty.

This post has been edited by Jimmy: 21 November 2020 - 03:22 PM

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User is offline   jkas789 

#539

And meanwhile all of us in Mexico, Central America and South America are just waiting for our countries to implode.


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#540

Fuck the people who orchestrated that, and Westerners who don't even care.
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