The Coronavirus a/k/a COVID-19 corner.
#511 Posted 20 November 2020 - 06:00 AM
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#514 Posted 20 November 2020 - 03:07 PM
Hank, on 11 November 2020 - 05:36 AM, said:
And no, the lockdowns and severe travel restrictions will stay in effect. Coincidentally to the vaccine disclosure, the number of peeps having the Covid-19-Con skyrocketed, and not all nations can afford this vaccine, which allegedly is twice as effective as the flu vaccines.
Are you saying that the mortality rate from coronavirus is at 0.5%?
It sounds amazingly low compared to the statistics i've seen, and the mortality rate is likely higher than we think since we don't get full statistics from countries that decide not to lockdown, and hold back information.
The majority of people infected are the young people, where the survival rate is much higher. The older people haven't been infected as much, and their mortality rate is much, much higher.
So i'm just wondering if you have a source for that.
Danukem, on 20 November 2020 - 02:53 PM, said:
He's gonna be busy. He only has a month left to build that wall.
But he's the savior of America, i'm sure he will succeed.
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#515 Posted 20 November 2020 - 03:25 PM
bullerbullerseven, on 20 November 2020 - 03:07 PM, said:
It sounds amazingly low compared to the statistics i've seen, and the mortality rate is likely higher than we think since we don't get full statistics from countries that decide not to lockdown, and hold back information.
The majority of people infected are the young people, where the survival rate is much higher. The older people haven't been infected as much, and their mortality rate is much, much higher.
So i'm just wondering if you have a source for that.
The publicized mortality rates are based on positive tests, which puts it at just under 3% in the USA. But we have known since April that there is a large percentage of non-symptomatic carriers and people who have very mild symptoms who don't get tested. The people who get tested are much more likely to have severe symptoms -- it's typically those symptoms that have brought them to the hospital or made them want to get tested. Therefore, it's pretty obvious to anyone who has been paying attention that the mortality rate has to be much lower than the officially publicized one.
This does not mean that the raw numbers of dead are being exaggerated, though -- in fact, "excess" deaths (comparing year-to-year total deaths) suggests that the number dying from it are significantly higher than the official stats. But again, the number of people infected is also higher than the official stats, probably much much higher, and that is what brings the fatality rate down.
#516 Posted 20 November 2020 - 03:33 PM
#517 Posted 20 November 2020 - 03:40 PM
Danukem, on 20 November 2020 - 02:53 PM, said:
I don't think he is gonna do this but it would be nice.
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Survival rate is dependant on country, population, age, race, gender, etc. The CDC reported a 95-99% some time in September but because it was not for Mexico it kinda flew over my head.
if you are in the USA and are interested in watching covid become the 9th or 8th cause of death in 2020 (I stopped keeping track after it became number 10) in the USA you can visit the CDC Covid Data Tracker.
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As a cynical taco boy and beaner mexican, it makes me laugh that americans think that both Trump or Biden, are a good thing. Or that democrats are better than republicans. Y'all should embrace the beauty of living in a society that is very slowly turning into a reenactment of "A Brave New World". Aldous Huxley was a prophet. The Fabians socialists won in the long run. We shall all just enjoy the ride and marvel at our bright future in a crumbling and ailing culture. To /s or not to /s. that is the real question.
I stand by what I said before: Kanye should have won.
#518 Posted 20 November 2020 - 03:56 PM
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#520 Posted 20 November 2020 - 04:16 PM
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#521 Posted 20 November 2020 - 04:41 PM
Mark, on 20 November 2020 - 04:09 PM, said:
You have to appeal to a mass audience in order to pull a profit. You give the illusion of power to the individuals, make them believe they can change things, it keeps them docile. The individual remains confident that if need be he can change the world, as long as it stays that way the grand oligarchy will be able to get away with anything without raising so much as a finger.
Leviathan is a good movie that depicts that the government always wins. Most people see it, and think, that's just russia, something like that will never happen in my country, if so people would be in arms and riot, I guarantee you that it probably has multiple times. Let people believe the fairytale United We Stand, Confederacy = Racism and Slavery, be the change you want to see in the world, these keep us docile, that we can easily topple our government when it gets to the point of being a leviathan and get an outcome where we, the people, win. Is a falsehood. Even if we win, "they" will win.
It's already that leviathan.
And we did nothing.
Small divided confederate semi direct democracy a la switzerland, is the best way to rid the government of it's power.
At the very least step towards being a Confederacy with the states divided up even further, the smaller the government, the less power it has.
Give it back to it's people.
I doubt this can ever happen with the u.s. though, it's too late.
The leviathan has already been established.
As with all things take my opinion with a grain of salt.
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#522 Posted 20 November 2020 - 05:36 PM
#523 Posted 20 November 2020 - 06:35 PM
Mark, on 20 November 2020 - 05:36 PM, said:
The future is powered by voxon photonics clearly
#524 Posted 20 November 2020 - 06:43 PM
#525 Posted 20 November 2020 - 06:53 PM
Mark, on 20 November 2020 - 04:09 PM, said:
Movies cause people to go through the full emotional and dopamine cycle over success against the future, but without any effort. The *last* thing they want to do is too many shows where the heroes fail leaving the audience with unmet chemical satisfaction.
This entertainment cycle makes it so people overall are physically incapable of receiving any of the sort of satisfaction that comes with resisting because the pathways that provide emotional and chemical satisfaction have been carved out with shortcuts. Overall people can't even *conceive* of sticking with fight back behavior that our ancestors took for granted because the satisfaction our ancestors derived was pre-packaged for us in hyper amplified half hour to two hour doses starting in pre-verbal stages of development.
It's a drug and it has a dosage and it works very well.
#526 Posted 20 November 2020 - 07:17 PM
InnervateInna, on 20 November 2020 - 06:53 PM, said:
This entertainment cycle makes it so people overall are physically incapable of receiving any of the sort of satisfaction that comes with resisting because the pathways that provide emotional and chemical satisfaction have been carved out with shortcuts. Overall people can't even *conceive* of sticking with fight back behavior that our ancestors took for granted because the satisfaction our ancestors derived was pre-packaged for us in hyper amplified half hour to two hour doses starting in pre-verbal stages of development.
It's a drug and it has a dosage and it works very well.
They call it television "programming" for a reason.
#527 Posted 21 November 2020 - 08:48 AM
Jimmy, on 20 November 2020 - 01:47 PM, said:
I'm sorry that's happened to you, however nurturing the divide and focusing on what separates people only fuels all prejudices. I'm sure you're aware the phenomenon exists both ways, I've been ostracized from online groups before due to being European when my origin was never even supposed to be a question in the discussions, and I'm not sure it was an European who made up the term 'Euro trash' (unless we once had a sense of humor), yet I hold literally zero prejudices against a phantasmal mental construction that would be 'people from the U.S.'. What I think is more reasonable to blame here is (again) general ignorance, people worldwide are mostly stupid and primal and will use any cathartic outlet they can to take public shits on subjects far outside their grasp (for example different cultures) to reassure themselves about their own cosy world view, representations and general position in existence as opposed to going for meaningful communication, what can you do but be the best man about it - fighting all of humanity's complexes would be one uphill battle.
I didn't even watch the video you're directly replying to by the way so the remark might be off mark; I definitely felt like making this cute point in general after reading your reply though.
Also, that law I was mentioning earlier was actually passed last night despite the overwhelming public opposition, I can't fucking believe it (or can I?). Journalists have been arrested already and demonstrations are going on right now (with more journalists getting arrested on the spot). Really feels like witnessing a fucking regime change.
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#529 Posted 21 November 2020 - 09:13 AM
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"The governor's 111 daily briefings worked so well because he effectively created television shows, with characters, plot lines, and stories of success and failure," Bruce Paisner, president and CEO of the International Academy, said in a statement announcing the decision. "People around the world tuned in to find out what was going on, and New York tough became a symbol of the determination to fight back."
Some condemned the governor's Emmy on Twitter, writing that the award ignores the problems the state has experienced during the pandemic.
"This award makes sense because Cuomo isn't actually a competent, empathic Governor -- he just plays one on TV," wrote one progressive activist.
#530 Posted 21 November 2020 - 09:20 AM
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I do. Everyone knows that gringos can be fucking weird sometimes. Like for example in medicine they have something called midlevels which are and I quote (from different gringo doctors who have tried to explain me):
Explanation a)
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This may be an offensive explanation to most midlevels but that’s distilling it down to its most laymen, foreigner friendly explanation.
Explanation b )
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and the autistic explanation c)
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When utilized properly, they should make life easier for a physician. They will often manage "bread and butter" simple cases independently, take histories, assist with surgeries or procedures (more PAs and fewer NPs in the OR), handle refills, answer questions from patients, screen lab results or imaging results, etc. A good midlevel (or APP or NPP or whatever you want to call them) will understand the limits of their training, and go to a physician if a case ends up being more complex than they feel comfortable with, or if they don't understand how to interpret a particular test.
The reason you see a lot of hostility on this board (and others, particularly those frequented by younger doctors or med students/residents) is because a lot of corporate employers are perceived as improperly utilizing midlevels to do a physician's job, because they get paid half as much. There's also a lot of bitterness from residents and med students, because quite frankly residency and med school are often torturously shitty, and they have to watch someone who graduated at the same time as them now doing a job pretty darn similar to what they're training for after spending far less time training, not going half a million dollars into debt, and having a far better work/life balance than they can ever hope for even after they finish training. Additionally, the national organization that represents NPs is lobbying hard for states to give them independent practice rights, effectively making them legally equivalent to doctors despite the vast gulf in training. This rubs a lot of doctors the wrong way, and makes them feel understandably threatened. This is even more threatening if you've just sunk half a million dollars and ten years of your life into your training.
In theory, and usually in practice, midlevels make a healthcare team run better. Sometimes in practice they don't make a healthcare team run better, and given the profit focus of our system and the opportunities for soulless corporate overlords to exploit midlevel practice rights for profit, many worry that it will make our system which is currently pretty shitty to work in for your average doctor even worse in the long run.
Which I must emphasize, that is some weird shit that is sure to get the hospital sued I bet.
Also spring breakers gringos are the worst/best. The worst because they fuel the ever present drug economy, leave dirty beaches, harass mexican girls and do dumb drunk shit. The best because the woman are hot and drunk, also you guys throw a shitload of money to the tourism sector of my country. So thanks.
Come to think of it, canadians are also like that, but in winter. Crazy motherfuckers come to our beaches and swim on them when we are actually freezing.
#531 Posted 21 November 2020 - 09:33 AM
Embittered Phallus, on 21 November 2020 - 08:57 AM, said:
France, here's a quick glimpse into our current situation through a random link I just found: https://www.sortirap...provide/lang/en
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UNO has even shared “serious worries” as for the topic of this controversial text; the institution fears “passing and implementing this draft law could lead to major harm to the Human Rights and fundamental liberties”.
Article 24 for this draft law provides for penalties for broadcasting videos in which police officers or gendarmes are identifiable – excluding their ID number, the “RIO” mandatorily visible for everyone – “with the aim of causing physical or psychological harm”. Contraveners risk a year’s imprisonment and a €45,000 fine.
A demonstration in front of the National Assembly against the draft law on Global Security has been announced this Tuesday to condemn this article. Demonstrators are worried for the freedom of press and about misbehaviors that could occur in the law enforcement official ranks in the future.
#532 Posted 21 November 2020 - 09:54 AM
I don't know how you guys feel, but the sense of powerlessness is quite overwhelming. I absolutely think this virus was concocted in a lab and unleashed on purpose, lol. It's a perfect way to pass a bunch of these restrictive laws, just as they've done during any crisis, except this time going all out and possibly transforming our lives for decades to come. Yeah, what an "opportunity" indeed.
#533 Posted 21 November 2020 - 12:06 PM
We knew early on that the virus is vastly more dangerous to the elderly and for people who have specific health conditions. Any intelligent person who thinks about this for more than a few seconds can see that if your goal is actually to protect vulnerable people, then your solution needs to be focused on those people. Human beings are self-motivated and want to survive -- they generally know when they are in a vulnerable group and will take action to protect themselves, if they are given the opportunity. At a small fraction of the cost we have paid for "lockdowns" and "economic stimulus checks", we could have set up shelters for the vulnerable who volunteered to be in them, or funded health workers to advise them in their homes, and cut checks for some of them so that they could afford to stay out of the workforce and isolate themselves. Most of them are retired anyway so it's largely a problem of reducing their exposure to the outside world and younger members of their families who interact with the public. In the U.S., if we were taking measures to protect and support the 10% most vulnerable in the population (again, only if they volunteered for extra protection -- no one is forced into it) and everyone else went about their business, we would be in a much better place right now, economically, mental health-wise, and probably in terms of death toll as well. But nothing like that was even seriously considered. Because, never let a crisis go to waste.
#534 Posted 21 November 2020 - 01:15 PM
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#536 Posted 21 November 2020 - 01:56 PM
We totally had a lot of things coming, though, that's for sure. Don't we all?
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#537 Posted 21 November 2020 - 03:21 PM
Embittered Phallus, on 21 November 2020 - 09:54 AM, said:
I don't know how you guys feel, but the sense of powerlessness is quite overwhelming. I absolutely think this virus was concocted in a lab and unleashed on purpose, lol. It's a perfect way to pass a bunch of these restrictive laws, just as they've done during any crisis, except this time going all out and possibly transforming our lives for decades to come. Yeah, what an "opportunity" indeed.
Sorry to hear.
I always make sure to ask "Who is gaining what from this?" And that almost always leads me to the source.
#538 Posted 21 November 2020 - 03:22 PM
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