[Tea Monster]

gemeaux333, on 07 April 2020 - 09:00 AM, said:

Nope, I will rather use the READY PLAYER ONE example : in this timeline/universe VR have become the hobby and social life of everyone ! (I won't mention the professionnal life part as it seems to be the most controversial part depicted by the movie) Or do you consider that a book means nothing (seems peoples prefer the book to the movie) ?
The reallity even seems to have gone further than READY PLAYER ONE on many aspects of the VR...

Yeah, but not yet in this one.

[DisgustedGrunt]

gemeaux333, on 07 April 2020 - 09:00 AM, said:

Nope, I will rather use the READY PLAYER ONE example : in this timeline/universe VR have become the hobby of everyone !
Or do you consider that a book means nothing (seems peoples prefer the book to the movie) ?
The reallity even seems to have gone further than READY PLAYER ONE on many aspects of the VR...

you DO realize that both book and movie are fiction? right? as much as you may like them to be reality, as much as they may be close to reality, THEY'RE NOT.

Commando Nukem, on 07 April 2020 - 09:12 AM, said:

We don't need to presume. We know what he thinks.

"I love a good joke. I mean for fucks sake I own the Duke Nukem franchise."

Everything he said in the previous video conference was a lie.

No.

The man thinks that Aliens Colonial Marines was a "7 out of 10." Which should tell you all you need to know. ...You don't put out a game that you think is anything less than amazing. This is your best foot forward. Do you think the guys who made Ion Fury went "Yeah, this is okay, I guess." ??? Or do you think maybe they put in the hours to really polish the shit out of that thing until it was the best it could absolutely be?

Exactly. when you're in school and you have an exam coming, do you study aiming for a C?, no, because if you do you'll probably get a D or even less. You work you ass off aiming for the top because you know the higher the results are, the less mistakes are gonna cost you. Randy pretty much admitted Colonial Marines was barely passable.

Note: i don't know how grades work on USA, i used Wikipedia, here on Argentina we use 1 to 10, with 7 being the lowest passing grade.

[PikaCommando]

Maybe Duke should go back to watching Oprah and fighting a human supervillain instead of aliens. That'll straighten him up!

[gemeaux333]

Commando Nukem, on 07 April 2020 - 09:12 AM, said:

No.

No what ?

Commando Nukem, on 07 April 2020 - 09:12 AM, said:

You actually don't.

Sure you does, press does anyway when they really want to confront, and there is still the freedom of speech they can use in the social medias and else !

Commando Nukem, on 07 April 2020 - 09:12 AM, said:

You should.

Nope, just like any bullshit that come on the spot of mass medias, and it is a well know fact that a news is chasing the other on these !

Commando Nukem, on 07 April 2020 - 09:12 AM, said:

What do you mean why is he still there? Do you think the people who work at Gearbox are going to... fire their boss?

Current employees are under NDA. Those that have worked with him and walked away have had plenty different to say. Two people in particular I can think of.

So, no.

It happen more often than you think that a boss is "fired", although its usually done by the administration council members/executives of a company that a CEO is "fired"
And NDA doesn't prevent employees to say what they think of their company as long as it doesn't broke the professionnal secret, either to say 'its the best" or "its the worst" no matter how serious or sarcastic it is

Commando Nukem, on 07 April 2020 - 09:12 AM, said:

We don't need to presume. We know what he thinks.

"I love a good joke. I mean for fucks sake I own the Duke Nukem franchise."

Everything he said in the previous video conference was a lie.

No.

The man thinks that Aliens Colonial Marines was a "7 out of 10." Which should tell you all you need to know. ...You don't put out a game that you think is anything less than amazing. This is your best foot forward. Do you think the guys who made Ion Fury went "Yeah, this is okay, I guess." ??? Or do you think maybe they put in the hours to really polish the shit out of that thing until it was the best it could absolutely be?

No you don't know what he thinks exactly about the Duke Nukem as you don't have the power to read his mind... as far as I am concerned
"I love a good joke. I mean for fucks sake I own the Duke Nukem franchise." is more a touch of his "greasy" humor (although depending/according to personnal tastes, opinions of the quality of his humor may vary)
He didn't lie in the previous video-conference, I don't even remember he formally engaged himself on any promise what-the-hell-soever, so in these conditions it is pretty hard to state that he was lying...
Aliens Colonial Marines seems obviously to have been a programmed disaster from the start even more obvious than DNF and Daikatana it seems so the poor guys were in denial, desperately trying to salvage something from the situation (who can blame them ?) and understandably was pathetic... well, civvie11 have know worst as he said himself...
...by personnal experience I think SEGA was much better when they weren't editing games other than their own historical fanchises, I hardly know a game edited by SEGA that doesn't sucks : Space Siege, Alien Isolation, Alien Colonial Marines, Alien versus Predator... the only exception that proves the rule lately is Two Point Hospital which is a pretty decent and enjoyable game made by the ancients employees of Bullfrog (a part of them anyway) just like Sattelite Reign was (I won't make a post on the destiny of EA old licences, even if they finally seems to give its chances to CNC again)...

[gemeaux333]

Tea Monster, on 07 April 2020 - 09:20 AM, said:

Yeah, but not yet in this one.

Lazy Dog, on 07 April 2020 - 09:32 AM, said:

you DO realize that both book and movie are fiction? right? as much as you may like them to be reality, as much as they may be close to reality, THEY'RE NOT.

Okay, maybe, but it is not less relevant than any cultural product, and like we all say : the reality often go further than the fiction, and won't be surprise if it does, it is just a matter of time
And fan fictions are not necessarily a sub category of fiction, as often those who begins by that finally becomes proper writers.

Lazy Dog, on 07 April 2020 - 09:32 AM, said:

Exactly. when you're in school and you have an exam coming, do you study aiming for a C?, no, because if you do you'll probably get a D or even less. You work you ass off aiming for the top because you know the higher the results are, the less mistakes are gonna cost you. Randy pretty much admitted Colonial Marines was barely passable.

Note: i don't know how grades work on USA, i used Wikipedia, here on Argentina we use 1 to 10, with 7 being the lowest passing grade.

Oddly PC GAMER seems to work on this patern when it comes to rating games, as they always rate the games between 60% and 75% in order to not offend anyone (the only known exception is Deus Ex The Fall)

[DisgustedGrunt]

gemeaux333, on 07 April 2020 - 10:16 AM, said:

Maybe, but it is not less relevant than any cultural product, and like we all say : the reality often go further than the fiction, and won't be surprise if it does, it is just a matter of time
And fan fictions are not necessarily a sub category of fiction, as often those who begins by that finally becomes proper writers.

It doesn't matter, we live in the present, in the real world. Fiction is just that, fiction, mean to entertain. Sure, it can inspire new inventions, but until they're here and you can touch them, they're just ideas.

....who said anything about fan fiction?, it's the same stuff.

gemeaux333, on 07 April 2020 - 10:09 AM, said:

No you don't know what he thinks exactly about the Duke Nukem as you don't have the power to read his mind... as far as I am concerned
"I love a good joke. I mean for fucks sake I own the Duke Nukem franchise." is more a touch of his "greasy" humor (although depending/according to personnal tastes, opinions of the quality of his humor may vary)

We don't need to know what he thinks, we know what he says. If he's gonna run with his asshole "persona" all the time, then i'ts only fair he's know to be an asshole.

[gemeaux333]

Lazy Dog, on 07 April 2020 - 10:52 AM, said:

It doesn't matter, we live in the present, in the real world. Fiction is just that, fiction, mean to entertain. Sure, it can inspire new inventions, but until they're here and you can touch them, they're just ideas.

....who said anything about fan fiction?, it's the same stuff.

No offense/never mind, but it seems peoples tend to see fan-fictions the bad way...
When it comes to the "Oasis", it already make its way to the real world, slowly but surely...

Lazy Dog, on 07 April 2020 - 10:52 AM, said:

We don't need to know what he thinks, we know what he says. If he's gonna run with his asshole "persona" all the time, then i'ts only fair he's know to be an asshole.

It seems to be a political fact : in order to succeed you either have to pass for an idiot or a madman, so it is left to personnal consideration... but common sense would sure lead you to get further than the "being and seem" metaphysical aspect

[gemeaux333]

This is why JSJ removed his post, and why he got "nuclear" prior :

https://twitter.com/...573373116284928

[Jimmy]

JSJ is just as much of a cuck to money as Randy Pitchford is.

The only person related to Duke at a high level who cares is George Broussard. JSJ and Randy like the prestige of being associated with it, but have no interest in pursuing the character unless there's a big check involved.

[gemeaux333]

When it comes to "sometimes dead is better" I will stand to that : More specifically to the "Death is final, and you cannot REC Rewind" and "life is short buth death is super-long"parts !

MARTYR, on 07 April 2020 - 01:41 PM, said:

JSJ is just as much of a cuck to money as Randy Pitchford is.

The only person related to Duke at a high level who cares is George Broussard. JSJ and Randy like the prestige of being associated with it, but have no interest in pursuing the character unless there's a big check involved.

Georges Broussard is the one who led us in the present situation... Scott Miller is the reliable person and have been all along.

[Radar]

Is there any evidence that the article about Gearbox was in-fact BS?

[gemeaux333]

RADAЯ, on 07 April 2020 - 06:37 PM, said:

Is there any evidence that the article about Gearbox was in-fact BS?

The link I posted previously : https://www.linkedin...am-maxime-babin

The most fiting answer from JSJ to the sources propagating this BS and many others on Gearbox and Randy : https://twitter.com/...703888909615105

[Jimmy]

gemeaux333, on 07 April 2020 - 05:19 PM, said:

Georges Broussard is the one who led us in the present situation... Scott Miller is the reliable person and have been all along.

George has already said he would have rather DNF remain unreleased than what transpired.

Scott Miller just cares about money lmao

[gemeaux333]

MARTYR, on 07 April 2020 - 06:46 PM, said:

George has already said he would have rather DNF remain unreleased than what transpired.

Scott Miller just cares about money lmao

No way, Scott Miller was/is the only sensed guy in this madhouse that is/was 3D Realms (if you doesn't count the employees), he always said 3D Realms wans't big enough to pull DNF up but Broussard paid no heed to that until it was too late !

[Steve 64]

Thank god I didn't buy that trash Aliens Colonial Marines after what I saw on the net.

[OpenMaw]

gemeaux333, on 07 April 2020 - 09:29 PM, said:

No way, Scott Miller was/is the only sensed guy in this madhouse that is/was 3D Realms (if you doesn't count the employees), he always said 3D Realms wans't big enough to pull DNF up but Broussard paid no heed to that until it was too late !

Because it wasn't true. 3D Realms was more than up to the task of making DNF happen from 1998 to 2006. They had a decent sized team to develop a game at that time. They developed several games worth of content in that time. The problem is George didn't know when to say "okay, this is the direction we're going. Let's start pushing. Trim fat, expand the meat, refine the design." Not until money was at red line levels.

Scott saying what he said in that interview is said years after the fact as some attempt to save face. He didn't step in and block George, and he should have.

[gemeaux333]

Commando Nukem, on 08 April 2020 - 06:04 AM, said:

Because it wasn't true. 3D Realms was more than up to the task of making DNF happen from 1998 to 2006. They had a decent sized team to develop a game at that time. They developed several games worth of content in that time. The problem is George didn't know when to say "okay, this is the direction we're going. Let's start pushing. Trim fat, expand the meat, refine the design." Not until money was at red line levels.

Scott saying what he said in that interview is said years after the fact as some attempt to save face. He didn't step in and block George, and he should have.

Then how do you explain the massive exoddus of employees from 3D Realms prior to 2009, tired of having worked on nothing but DNF ?

Are you meant to say that a true friend is capable to stop you in your rush when you are about to ruin your life ? I already know that (otherwise you're an enabler, an accomplice), but that doesn't change anything to the reallity of facts : Scott Miller warned Georges Broussard and tried to put some sense into him back in 2003, but he paid no heed until it was too late !
Besides, already in the 2000s you needed a consequent team (more than a handfull (around 10) of employees actually) to wrap up a video-game and more specifically a FPS, just look at early Deus Ex games (they had more employees (almost the double) just for the first)... or at least this way Georges wouldn't have had time to find new ideas to delay the game over and over if it was wrapped quick enough !

[Jimmy]

Scott was the boss. Period.

[gemeaux333]

Scott was only the founder, not the boss for so !

[OpenMaw]

gemeaux333, on 09 April 2020 - 07:28 AM, said:

Scott was only the founder, not the boss for so !

I rest my case. You don't know your facts.

George and Scott were both head chiefs at Apogee/3D Realms. Scott was the senior most manager at Apogee/3D Realms. It was his company first and foremost. George was in charge of development, but that does not mean that Scott did not have authority.

Scott was the one who, along with Terry Nagy, brought back the old Apogee name/logo some years back. Until it farted out again. He started trying to do spin-offs while waiting for DNF, and George, to get their shit together. Ya know, Radar Group, Depth Entertainment, Earth No More, et cetera. These were all undertakings that Scott was pushing to try to get more cash flow coming into 3D Realms.

George just wouldn't buckle down as a leader and get the team focused on a finish line, and Scott let it happen for a long time because that attitude, and you can ask id Software veterans about this, the attitude of Apogee and 3D Realms was always arrogant in nature. That attitude lead to some great, ballsy games and some major successes early on. The problem is that attitude did not work out for them with DNF. "No, we're good, we'll just keep doing this even though it doesn't seem to be working for us right now."

[gemeaux333]

Commando Nukem, on 09 April 2020 - 09:35 AM, said:

George just wouldn't buckle down as a leader and get the team focused on a finish line, and Scott let it happen for a long time because that attitude, and you can ask id Software veterans about this, the attitude of Apogee and 3D Realms was always arrogant in nature. That attitude lead to some great, ballsy games and some major successes early on. The problem is that attitude did not work out for them with DNF. "No, we're good, we'll just keep doing this even though it doesn't seem to be working for us right now."

Well, on that particular point, I could say there is nothing unusual considering the story of some defunct video-games studios of the 90s and early 2000s... An other case that could perfectly fit this one : Westwood Studios and Command and Conquer, their mentality was approximatively the same and led to the same devellopement : backruptcy !
And what about Origin and Bullfrog ?

Is that one reason why ID software would refuse to work on a Duke game (or any game linked to 3D Realms) ?

[Fox]

Commando Nukem, on 07 April 2020 - 09:12 AM, said:

The man thinks that Aliens Colonial Marines was a "7 out of 10." Which should tell you all you need to know. ...You don't put out a game that you think is anything less than amazing. This is your best foot forward. Do you think the guys who made Ion Fury went "Yeah, this is okay, I guess." ??? Or do you think maybe they put in the hours to really polish the shit out of that thing until it was the best it could absolutely be?

I don't think you can compare Ion Fury with an AAA game

Our team is small, it's easier to do quality control, or even just trust someone's talent.

Also we pushed the deadlines a few times, with AAA games that means delaying a revenue of millions, and probably breaking several contracts.

[NNC]

MARTYR, on 07 April 2020 - 01:41 PM, said:

JSJ is just as much of a cuck to money as Randy Pitchford is.

The only person related to Duke at a high level who cares is George Broussard. JSJ and Randy like the prestige of being associated with it, but have no interest in pursuing the character unless there's a big check involved.

What about Blum?

He had been with the character from the get go, and never left.

[Matthew]

Fox, on 09 April 2020 - 04:56 PM, said:

I don't think you can compare Ion Fury with an AAA game

Our team is small, it's easier to do quality control, or even just trust someone's talent.

Also we pushed the deadlines a few times, with AAA games that means delaying a revenue of millions, and probably breaking several contracts.

This is why most AAA games are largely forgettable and not worth playing. Smaller teams are able to come together and work with each other to get shit done with passion. Shit, I preferred Dusk when it was released than pretty much most AAA since. The only AAA FPS games I bought in the last couple of years are DOOM, DOOM Eternal, and Postal 4.

[oasiz]

Except when your deadlines and such get pushed to the point where you can't really do that for a living, you still gotta put bread on the table.
Fury worked but it took us 4+ years, including investing out own money in.

There were many cases where simply went against the odds, we got lucky more than once, plus some of us had a full-time job to help finance things.
Passion is an enabler but actually wrapping things up on time is HARD.

[gemeaux333]

And for sure there are plenty of millions to loose when the developpement of a game is already way behind schedules... on an other hand the boss of Nintendo said that a delayed game may be good but a rushed game will be forever bad !


Even Civvie11 recognise the games Randy/Gearbox have been working on are not nececessarily bad, just unequal :

[OpenMaw]

gemeaux333, on 10 April 2020 - 12:10 PM, said:

Even Civvie11 recognise the games Randy/Gearbox have been working on are not nececessarily bad, just unequal :

That is not what Civvie said in the video.

[gemeaux333]

Sure he did not pull it in these terms but you get the idea, this is pretty much accurate if you read between the lines as he is complimenting them for their early productions.

P.S: Randy was not involved in XXX-Stacy and its not a great map, it could well have found its way to DNF considering its register...
When it comes to the Queen it was obviously meant to be a multiplayer map also used as final map (unless the MP one have been aborted ?), and god know that older FPS multi-player maps had this propention to symetry, perhaps less true for death-match map (except perhaps team deathmatch map bound to their own respective rules)...
I remember some of these MP map my uncle got for DN3D in a map pack provided with a magazine, they weren't populated by any foe unless a few sharks...

[gibfrag]

Is the Duke IP dead?

Spoiler

[hismasterplan]

gerolf, on 12 April 2020 - 01:47 PM, said:

Is the Duke IP dead?

Spoiler

I instinctively read that in the Battlelord voice.