[Jimmy]

My opinion is that it's already been here for 6+ months. My dad's entire family (him, my stepmom, four step siblings) all got sick in early November. I avoided them like the plague, then my girlfriend and I got sick at the end of November. Flu with pneumonia symptoms. My dad is in good health for his age (62) and very active (retired but still a part time police officer) but it had him bed ridden for two weeks straight. Meg got so sick, after a MONTH of pneumonia she went to the hospital and got medicine for that and it still took her another MONTH to get well again. I felt really bad and pretty much stayed in bed for a week straight myself. We've all recovered but still have lingering lung issues/cough.

Regardless of how bad the virus is; Prepare for the worst. If society breaks down, you're on your own. People are already freaking out about toilet paper and Lysol. Gasoline is gone in some areas. Food is next. What do you think people are going to do when there are no hospital beds? They're going to turn into animals. There is no better time than now to buy a gun. Hell, a lot of guns, and ammo too. Be prepared. I wish none of this happens, for my own family's sake. But it's a grave and very real possibility.

None of this might happen. But it doesn't take much to twist the wire that holds the cork so that it gives way to the pressure on the other side.

[Radar]

Fake news.

[Jimmy]

Maybe there is fake news involved. That means the manipulation triggering social unrest is calculated and more insidious.

Be prepared.

Also boots on the ground reporting is best. We live practically right off Interstate 95, just outside the city across the river. I drove Meg into work at 1:30. We both witnessed white triage style trailers lined up across the
excess train tracks in Shockoe Bottom, from the highway. Probably about thirty of them. On my way back at about 2:30 I witnessed about 50 front loading bobcat tractors shipping into the city on flatbed traincars. I got home and took a shower, grabbed some stuff Meg forgot at home she needed at work and then headed out to take it to her. This is about 3:30. I see flatbed trucks carrying these bobcats all over town, from Southside to the West End. There's also been black helicopters flying really low to the ground for the past three days. Even Meg noticed and was wondering what it was all about. Cowinkydink?

[Radar]

IMO The global hysteria is going to be worse than the actual virus. Apparently the stock market "crashed" yesterday. Wikipedia is already calling it "Black Thursday". Lmao wtf? Trying to write history before it's even happened. And the logic used to justify it is the same tired reasoning as every empathetic panic attack. A literal quote from one of the Discord servers I'm a member of: "People don't like accidentally murdering their parents and children. Or strangers." LMAO. So, agree with me or people will die. Where have I heard this before?

[Hank]

OccludeOlga, on 13 March 2020 - 04:08 PM, said:

Why? They have been screaming from the rooftops that a massive shaking of the economic tree was incoming. Globalism has been a flagrant "just one jenga piece" seizure waiting to happen for a decade. Empty subways should have been something you've been expecting to happen anytime now... just no idea when or how.

It was easy to tell in January that Corona wasn't just a flu, even IFFFFFF it was just the flu, the medical infrastructure is not setup to safely handle TWO FLUS at the same time.

Wuhan and Italy show you what happens if you have even a couple weeks of asymptomatic negligence. Did any of you know that China has a 1.2 million spike in "infectious disease incidents" that are unaccounted for over their many decades long norms in December? You don't think they had 1.2 million new flus do you? You want to try to downplay the lethal difference by pointing out how many unverified infections exist... but ignore how many deaths have gone by without being tested and chalked up to something else (or were suspected and just not bothered to test because... why spend the money/create the panic/disappoint the government, etc). The China numbers are a lie. The Italian numbers can't keep up with reality. The US numbers are limited by limited testing. And nobody knows what wave 2... or heaven forbid... perpetual seasonal revival looks like.

I can sympathize deeply with Mark being in a position of trying to get out months ago and being stuck in red tape. But that's entirely different from looking around mid march and going "WHY ARE THE SUBWAYS EMPTY?"

The writing was on the wall about the fragility just waiting for a catalyst, even a minor one... what in the ever living hell do you think we've been talking about here for so long?

Also, Spanish Flu was blown off the first year as just an unusually strong flu but no big deal. Then people started dying the same day they showed symptoms the next year.

And yes, I pulled my company retirement out of stocks in early February, even though I've been technically bearish for 5 years... but didn't pull the market trigger until then. So I'm not just blowing smoke up your ass about there being overwhelming signals on every possible front.

1) an actually broken market
2) an actual viral outbreak on a new level
3) no crisis will go to waste (the taking of new NWO tier powers given 1 and 2)

No shit Sherlock... you're only pissed off if you were surprised by either 1 or 2.

Ok, Ok. Congratulation.
Since you have such foresight, may I suggest creating your own hedge fund or another type of business?
No, I ain’t not sarcastic here. People who have your abilities can make a lot of money, also in extreme hard times. IIRC, you don’t like business, because you may hurt someone in the end. Who cares? What if you warned people like Mark in advance? Then they owe you, if not cash, respect.
Hugs, and kisses, from me.
p.s. What broken market? The market is virtual reality, anything goes, like in the cartoons.

[Hank]

Jeff, on 13 March 2020 - 02:05 PM, said:

Shame. Where I live the economy was showing some improvement after being in the toilet for 4-5 years due to dependence on oil and lack of pipelines to export overseas. Now it's going down again.

double post then, no one posted here, but I have to go

Yeah. When I came to America, Calgary-Alberta was my first stop. The embassy in Germany suggested to go there first. Calgary was booming in 1978.
It's truly god's country, Banff and Jasper. Awesome!! But Alta is controlled by Ottawa, an earthly like parasite. It's also the place where I experienced my first depression, in 1982, due to those parasites. Some people simply walked into their bank, with their house keys and gave it to the bank, just to walk away from their depts. We, instead, also had, more as a past time, a catering business that allowed homosexuals on the premises. We laughed all the way to the bank.
Here too, look for business opportunities. Life is good when you accept life.

[Danukem]

I want to punch the stupid scared look off of the stupid scared spoiled faces that I see.

[Radar]

Right??? "Oh no we're all gonna die from a global pandemic that we're combatting with 21st century technology, while I run to the store and stock up on toilet paper and canned foods, and if I miss anything I'll just order it off Amazon. Oh look, they just canceled school for the month!" Peak 21st century privilege. Even a modern health crisis is enjoyable.

[Danukem]

I'd enjoy it more if I didn't need their money to pay my bills.

[Jimmy]

Trooper Dan, on 13 March 2020 - 08:21 PM, said:

I want to punch the stupid scared look off of the stupid scared spoiled faces that I see.

The wire that holds the cork in...

[Radar]

Governor Whitmer gave an order to cancel gatherings over 250 people, so my church just annulled services for tomorrow, and it might go into April as well. Fun stuff. I guess I'm cancelling band practice this week too. The kids better practice at home while we're off.

[Mark]

I stopped at Sav-a Lot grocery store on the way home from seeing a movie. Tons of people shopping and lots of empty shelves. People stocking up like crazy. Limits on toilet paper and bottled water. I remember reading on a website, a list of corona and regular flu symptoms and their severity. Diarreha ( spelling? ) is not even listed under corona. I also saw Pick and Save and Walmart parking lots very filled up. People are idiots.

Local radio swapmeets are being canceled all over the country. One of our local ones is brave enough to stay the course. I'm going to it tomorrow. I'm doing my business as usual.

[Forge]

Mark, on 14 March 2020 - 01:22 PM, said:

People stocking up like crazy.
Limits on toilet paper

that trend started in Australia
because outside of The US & Canada, China produces most of the worlds toilet paper. There was a fear of the supply chain breaking down.
idiots on the north american continent don't know why they're stocking up on tp, they just do what the twitter tells them to do

[Danukem]

Forge, on 14 March 2020 - 03:03 PM, said:

that trend started in Australia
because outside of The US & Canada, China produces most of the worlds toilet paper. There was a fear of the supply chain breaking down.
idiots on the north american continent don't know why they're stocking up on tp, they just do what the twitter tells them to do

twitter zombies are the true enemy

[Jimmy]

Repent and accept Christ.

[Kyanos]

The toilet paper rush is orchastrated to cause panic.

[Morpheus Kitami]

No matter what happens, I think the people who panicked and grabbed all the TP are going to regret it. If effectively nothing happens, they've got a shitton of toilet paper around. Do people really have the room to just keep at least 4 big packs of TP around? If they sell it, they're not going to get anything close to their money back, plus, who even buys TP off a random guy somewhere? If something horrible happens, people aren't going to be nice to the guy with all the TP, because they'll either figure him for an asshole or a fool. If for some reason COVID-19 mutates into having diarhea like some Virus Inc., unless they've got a huge family and it lasts for 4 weeks, they're still not going to need that much TP.

[Jeff]

Trump's Coronavirus address.

[Jimmy]

Toilet paper isn't going to go bad. Whether you have too much or too little, it's the least of your worries.

Repent and accept Christ.

[Forge]

Jeff, on 14 March 2020 - 08:43 PM, said:

Trump's Coronavirus address.
*snip It started in China.....

[Forge]

ermerger!
how did this corona virus get so outta control?




most of this species deserves what happens to it

[Jeff]

I just bought about $300 worth of groceries and such. Mind as well stock up before it's too late.

[PokeThePower]

Hank, on 13 March 2020 - 06:18 PM, said:

Ok, Ok. Congratulation.

I'm not trying to win. I advertised to my ex girlfriend and fellow co-workers who share the same 401k that I had changed my retirement fund allocation and why. I don't want congratulation, I am trying to increase understanding because I have better information to work with the more understanding vs momentum I'm surrounded by.

Hank, on 13 March 2020 - 06:18 PM, said:

Since you have such foresight, may I suggest creating your own hedge fund or another type of business?
No, I ain’t not sarcastic here. People who have your abilities can make a lot of money,

Because the necessary people are already out there. Because despite my signals here, and my OVERT MESSAGES to workplace relationships, you generally suffer unnecessarily trying to communicate bad news ahead of time. Because the only reason people were't sitting on pins and needles in January is they weren't paying attention, and I like making video games, so energy into hedge fund sounds like a total waste of time and hustling for newsletter subscriptions which sounds like a nightmare life.

Hank, on 13 March 2020 - 06:18 PM, said:

What if you warned people like Mark in advance?

Mark is an example of someone trying to act in advance of the market by accident but still fucked.

The reason I'm slightly annoyed is I'm questioning what the hell we've been talking about here the past several years if some of you guys are being caught off guard by the current happening. Both the pure physical viral test, but in addition the economic infrastructure test, and then finally the totalitarian government let no crisis go to waste test. This moment is literally everything myself, Jimmy, POC, and to some degree Mark/Forge/Sledgehammer/get mad at me for leaving you out... have been talking about for years.

Hank, on 13 March 2020 - 06:18 PM, said:

p.s. What broken market? The market is virtual reality, anything goes, like in the cartoons.

The market has been a true illusion since 1913, sure. I'm referring to the broken confidence market. And since all markets are ultimately built on confidence, I am willing to concede that in reality the market continued to "function on confidence" the past 10 years.

That's why the VIX is one of the more interesting (current) market indicators because it is a market of confidence.

Confidence was irrationally solid longer than it should be, but that doesn't matter because the market was a market profiting on confidence. So as long as confidence could be mined, there was valid resource to be mined and sold.

I'm just fucking sad that so many people here are surprised. I tried.

[PokeThePower]

Mark, on 14 March 2020 - 01:22 PM, said:

Diarreha ( spelling? ) is not even listed under corona.

They aren't buying expecting to get diarrhea... they are expecting to be, or be stuck with, a woman who is stuck at home for weeks or months at time.

Great Depression stories are full of women saying how if they could change one thing, they would have made sure they had access to sanitary supplies.

Bosnia war stories are full of men saying they would be able to readily trade toilet paper for ammo.

The herd reaction might be "technically wrong", but unless you are a predator... herd reaction is an incredibly successful survival instinct. Humans are interesting because they have inherently predator and inherently herd populations.

Acting stupid about why TP is being sold out is an indicator you're probably a herd animal that has lost contact with the herd. A predator will hear the various "buy/not buy" toilet paper signals very differently.

[Radar]

F A K E N E W S

[Jimmy]

Your refusal to accept the seemingly inevitable is unwise. Whether its even a real virus or not is irrelevant to the fact that the response is real.

Even if they came out tomorrow and said "We've fixed it, the virus is over." The market is most likely irreparably harmed, no scratch that. Irreparably fucked. (Although this is a good thing long run, because the market was created with the intention to crash and there is no other end game. The bubble can only get larger.)

"Made in China" is effectively a relic of the past. Many businesses that shut down will never open again.

Be ready for the Great Correction. The fact a great pandemic hits as the market was already nosediving almost seems like a joke from God.

I paid $1.74 for gas in Central Virginia today.

[Radar]

What makes you think I can't agree with you without panicking like a mindless idiot? We'll get through this. The market crashes every 10 years. We knew we were overdue for awhile. And I agree this will have a heavy hand in persuading businesses from investing in China in the future.

[Jimmy]

I'm not interested in panic. I'm interested in planning.

So I bought shotgun shells.

[Radar]

LMAO. A friend of mine literally bought an AR-15 yesterday over this as well. His first gun too.

[Jimmy]

Yeah I wish I could afford one, that's a smart buy. I have a 100~ year old antique coach shotgun made by L.C. Smith my cousin gave me as a gift, a Remington .22lr rifle, and my pop's old Police Service Issue Glock 19. Not exactly my first choices but it's what I've got. The motherlode is at his place though, and exactly where I'm headed if shit hits the fan. If our jobs close up we're heading there as well.