Literature corner "A place to talk about books"
#1 Posted 23 August 2019 - 08:04 AM
It's surprising that I couldn't find a thread dedicated to literature and I believe it's time to change that.
Let's discuss various books, talk about who is currently reading what, what is your favorite book or who is your favorite author, what genres you like, etc, and of course ask for advice on what to read. Any genre or form is fine, be it novels, poetry, history, politics, fiction or pretty much anything.
Do not hesitate to post links for public domain books.
Some useful links:
https://www.gutenberg.org
https://dp.la
https://openlibrary.org
http://www.feedbooks.com/publicdomain
https://isbndb.com
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#2 Posted 23 August 2019 - 08:23 AM
#3 Posted 23 August 2019 - 09:01 AM
Anyway, the last book I've finished reading was "Pharaoh", a novel written by Boleslaw Prus who seems to be one of the most known Polish writers. Ironically, unlike previous books of this author, Pharaoh was not published there, so I had to read English version that I managed to get by a pure coincidence.
The novel combines various genres, such as politics, history, utopia, adventure and some others, and it does a good job at immersing readers into ancient Egypt because author did his research pretty well. Came for some adventurous ancient Egypt story and enjoyed the book more than I expected due to how much there is in it, my favorite part was detailed depiction of life of ancient Egyptian society. Definitely going to re-read.
By the way, I wonder if books based on games are as shitty as people say. Not that it would surprise me that those books might be bad, but there must be exceptions, right? At least I heard good things about Star Wars Republic Commando series that I haven't been able to touch yet.
This post has been edited by Sledgehammer: 23 August 2019 - 09:13 AM
#4 Posted 26 August 2019 - 08:27 PM
I can't comment on the Republic Commando novels, but the books for Jedi Knight were decent. I feel like Star Wars stuff doesn't come off as a proper video game novel, since there are people who are interested in making decent Star Wars novels, at least back then. I do recall briefly reading the Resident Evil novels and they were terrible, hence the briefly.
Recently, I finished Typee by Herman Melville, a fascinating semi-fictional look at the peoples of the Marquesas Islands in the mid-19th century. Its got a central narrative, but the real joy in it is all the time Melville dedicated to describing how the islanders live and their objects, in detail. I mean, yeah, its got a story about how the author tries to escape from the cannibals holding him hostage, but given its semi-fictional nature, you kinda know how the story ends.
Currently, I'm reading Warthog, a book about the experiences of A-10 "Warthog" pilots in the Gulf War. The problems they encountered when the plane entered real combat, like flying at night, flying in the dusty desert. One of the more harrowing things so far was the planes refueling mid-air. I partially understand why someone thought that up, but I also think that has to be one of the craziest things anyone has ever thought up.
I think I'll want to read more stuff on the experiences of military personnel. Any recommendations there? Warthog mentions Stuka Pilot due to the history of cannons on planes, and I am aware of Osprey Publishing. (which I think is more related to actual descriptions of military equipment or theatres than personal experience) I'm mostly interested in stuff dating back to about the late 18th century, but earlier is fine too.
#5 Posted 26 August 2019 - 08:53 PM
In case of SW, it greatly helps that SW itself is huge on its own, it goes beyond video games so I guess there is that, the universe itself is huge with pretty deep lore. People also say that since Disney buyout quality of novels became really bad.
As for military, do you want historical stuff only? Your best bet could be memoirs, the best stuff if you want real experience from actual soldiers and military officers. Most of the stuff I've read was related to WWII when it comes to military in general and I could try to search for some stuff if I still have it, unfortunately a lot of things I've read were on the web. But anyway, late 18th century is an interesting topic.
#6 Posted 27 August 2019 - 01:31 PM
Yeah, there are bad Star Wars novels too, but I think they're mostly few and far between, at least before the Disney buyout. I haven't read any of them, since I lost interest after they culled the game company, but from what I've heard they get really bad. Something about a wedding where the groom farts a lot for some reason and the Empire turns into some cartoonishly evil and incompetent group with unlimited funds and personnel. I vaguely recall something about them bombing their own planets so they can relocate the population to another planet and somehow nobody knows anything about this. At that point, I knew that even if they decided to bring Kyle Katarn back nothing good would come of it. Maybe that stuff makes sense in context, but eh...
Memoirs, maybe a collection of people's experiences. Not like fictional stuff, although modern views on it are fine. What I really recall wishing I could find a book on was American cavalry during the Revolutionary War. The two lead figures, who I now forget the names of, sounded like they had very interesting experiences during the war.
#7 Posted 18 April 2021 - 08:52 AM
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Sledgehammer, on 23 August 2019 - 09:01 AM, said:
Also, if you interested in foreign novels may I recommend the Belascoarán series of mexican detective by spanish/mexican writer Paco Ignacio Taibo II. They are pretty great. You can buy the whole collection on amazon.
I also recommend the trilogy of detective novels by Arturo Perez Reverte, Falco, Era and Sabotaje.
In regards to historical novels the series of novels of El Capitan Alatriste from the same author are pretty great as well.
This post has been edited by jkas789: 18 April 2021 - 08:52 AM
#8 Posted 01 October 2021 - 05:56 PM
It's not perfect as the source was a bunch of txt files with very spotty spacing, but it's something. Also I'm not formatting 336 novels, I ain't got the time for that shit.
Uploaded it to Internet Archive because getting a hold of the novels is a bitch and a half, and not all of them can be gotten today. I also uploaded a 7zip file with the the 336 novels separated in the original format I got them (.txt) .
#9 Posted 10 February 2022 - 11:43 PM
Got a pristine library copy of this book from 1993, complete with a swell dust cover. Seems like it's never been read.
I've been a Bond fan since I first saw Dr No as a kid, but I never much cared for the original Fleming novels. He basically wrote travelogues with the occasional car chase or gunfight. Mostly he seemed to just want to write about the exotic places he wants to go, or the kinds of cigarettes or meals he enjoys, or the fancy clubs and beaches he's been to, etc. It's very dense and pointless detailing that makes his stories drag. And Bond tends to be a bit wimpy most of the time, too. I preferred the John Gardner books since he actually wrote spy/military thrillers and gave Bond the same treatment. Turns out Fleming would draft the actual story with the first draft, and then pad them with travelogue shit in later drafts; he died before he could give the second draft treatment to this one, so the story is told straighter than his other books, which I unfortunately think is a blessing.
Anyway, Golden Gun is one of two Fleming books I actually really like (the other being Octopussy and the Living Daylights). Even the openings to most of his other books are drab and focus too much on the locale or something. This one starts right off with the Secret Service trying to figure out if the guy trying to contact them claiming to be James Bond is indeed James Bond, who has been missing, presumed dead, for a year. You get plunged right into the inner workings of the Secret Service's screening service for anyone trying to get in touch with them, and see how they handle rogue/missing agents suddenly returning, how they establish their identity and credentials, etc. And no sooner is Bond finally allowed in to see M, Bond then tries to assassinate M, because it turns out Bond has been brainwashed by the Russians over the past year. After Bond is un-brainwashed, instead of sending him to prison for 20+ years, M sends him on a mission to kill Scaramanga, The Man with the Golden Gun, a guy who is apparently hot shit with a pistol and essentially unkillable, aka "suicide mission". Better to die in the field than rot in prison, maybe prove he's still useful if he survives. All of that in just the first two chapters.
Scaramanga himself is a pretty nasty and irredeemable dude, too. You can't wait to see him get his comeuppance.
This is one case where the book is definitely better than the movie. Most of the time I've actually found the opposite to be true, despite what book nerds frequently claim (definitely not the case for Jack Reacher, though). Movies can usually take a bloated story and condense it into something more palatable and economical (LotR), or take a book that comes off like a bad comedy and turn it into a badass action movie (Where Eagles Dare), etc.
jkas789, on 18 April 2021 - 08:52 AM, said:
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I used to watch the show and thought I read something about the characters being based on the creators' D&D party. Weren't they serialized in a magazine or something?
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#10 Posted 11 February 2022 - 12:20 PM
ImpieTheThird, on 10 February 2022 - 11:43 PM, said:
That is one freaking cool acquisition Impie!
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They were indeed AFAIK. Then because they were pretty popular they got al collected, edited and then published as a novel, starting one of the biggest and well regarded franchises of fantasy adventure from Japan.
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#11 Posted 21 July 2022 - 06:57 AM
- Vingt mille lieues sous les mers
- Cinq semaines en ballon
- Un drame en Livonie
- L'étoile du sud
- Hector Servadac
- Face au drapeau
- Mathias Sandorf
- Les cinq cents millions de la Bégum
- Le château des Carpathes
I´ve got a lot of other books on my Pocketbook reader, I have already read:
- Voyages et aventures du capitaine Hatteras
- Nord contre Sud
- Le village aérien
And the last book I just finished is L'école des robinsons
This post has been edited by Šneček: 21 July 2022 - 07:11 AM
#12 Posted 21 July 2022 - 07:36 AM
Maybe they just don't want to post, what they read, into this thread.
This post has been edited by Šneček: 21 July 2022 - 07:41 AM
#13 Posted 01 August 2022 - 10:06 PM
Šneček, on 21 July 2022 - 07:36 AM, said:
Maybe they just don't want to post, what they read, into this thread.
Eh, I think it's more like we are all busy irl and this type of threads get pushed down by other more active threads. Also lets be real the forum is not that active this days.
Personally there is not much to talk about. The gross of what I read are medical research papers and I don't think anyone would be interested in talking about that kek. However we could start something like a book club maybe? People could try and read a book a month or something and then come and give their impressions about them. I myself read last month like 10 books ( I read really fast, a by product of med school. Gotta go fast bois or you get left behind in the ultra competitive environment of medical education and later on the healthcare system.), of which 9 of them were romance novels (Yeah, I know. I don't look like it but I am a big romantic softy mexican macho at heart) that are just trashy cliche romance plots and perhaps the outlier is number 10: Catch Me If You Can by Frank Abagnale. Pretty good autobiography of one of the most famous criminals in history. I give it my recommendation.
Jules Verne is indeed one of the best "sci fi" authors out there IMO. It's a shame his stories are being phased out of school programs this days.
This post has been edited by jkas789: 01 August 2022 - 10:07 PM
#14 Posted 03 August 2022 - 04:11 PM
Šneček, on 21 July 2022 - 07:36 AM, said:
Maybe they just don't want to post, what they read, into this thread.
TBH, I've forgotten that this forum had this thread and tended to talk about what I've read elsewhere. I'm also a bit of a slow reader.
I've been reading The Story of Civilization by Will Durant, and its not really the kind of book series that lends itself to quick reading anyway. Very good series so far, I'm in the middle of volume 3, Caesar and Christ. The first volume was countries from Egypt all the way to Japan, while volume 2 was on Ancient Greece. The big takeaways I've had from the series is that Egypt probably originated every thought we attribute to the Greeks. Probably, because the sheer number of lost works from that era is impossible to count. Slavery seems like more trouble than its worth even in the best of times. And in the volume on Rome I'm reading, it seems like Rome got to where it was not through skill or anything, but luck and incompetence on the part of other nations. The sheer amount of corruption even during Rome's supposed prime sounds like absolute hell to live in. Even Greece, which had its fair share and still probably beats modern times, can't beat that. Not even at Caesar yet, just the republic.
#15 Posted 04 August 2022 - 08:56 PM
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Kek no. The ancient greeks were corrupt as fuck. Themistocles famously said that there is no point in being a leader if you can't make your friends rich. And the construction of the monuments of the Acropolis during the Golden Age of Athens was rife with corruption. From Pericles using money from the treasury of the Athenian Alliance, to instituting secret funds that nobody knows what they were used for to suspicions that Phidias had altered or distorted the gold used in the fucking statue of ATHENA.
The greek were corrupt as fuck, and really probably as corrupt as modern times. Any book that says otherwise is biased.
Also in regards to The Story of Civilization it has a spotty record of being inaccurate and changing accuracy for story telling. Durant was first a philosopher and a story teller and it shows with how he focus on philosophy and his sometimes thinly veiled marxist statements. Personally I think the whole series while entertaining (he is a good writer after all) is trash.
EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I don't want to dissuade you from reading it. Please do. I just wanted to point out that the series is very much colored by Durant's weird pseudo marxist opinions and not really at all objective, sometimes eschewing with a lot of the politics and economics that stirred the boat of history. Not all was science vs religion, sometimes science and/or religions were just an excuse for political or economic upheavals. Or just that a motherfucker wanted power for themselves.
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Lol, you may want to look up that bub. While some of their cultural origins have egyptian (to be specific, ethiopians which at the time had a broad definition) influence, at least from what has been suggested in literature (and still only an hypothesis AFAIK), attributing every greek philosophy to the egyptians is out right rewritting history. Which is very much in line with Durant.
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#16 Posted 06 August 2022 - 07:36 AM
jkas789, on 04 August 2022 - 08:56 PM, said:
The greek were corrupt as fuck, and really probably as corrupt as modern times. Any book that says otherwise is biased.
Also in regards to The Story of Civilization it has a spotty record of being inaccurate and changing accuracy for story telling. Durant was first a philosopher and a story teller and it shows with how he focus on philosophy and his sometimes thinly veiled marxist statements. Personally I think the whole series while entertaining (he is a good writer after all) is trash.
EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I don't want to dissuade you from reading it. Please do. I just wanted to point out that the series is very much colored by Durant's weird pseudo marxist opinions and not really at all objective, sometimes eschewing with a lot of the politics and economics that stirred the boat of history. Not all was science vs religion, sometimes science and/or religions were just an excuse for political or economic upheavals. Or just that a motherfucker wanted power for themselves.
Fair enough, I don't think most of this except Pericles using money from the treasury and possibly his secret funds were covered. Though I do find I'm been attributing Durant's lack of information on some subjects to be him missing it, as such things were translated/found later. (since that was definitely true of his Asia volume) That does seem like a pretty big thing to miss. It still seems to pale in comparison to the Romans to me anyway.
Though it is interesting what you've said about his pseudo marxist opinions, which is something I've noticed. Its curious since most people complaining about his views tend to be whining that the guy is racist or something along those lines. Which seems completely absurd from what I've read. Can't say I've noticed much science vs religion stuff, outside of Durant obviously being an atheist, but I might just be ignoring it. I did skip past his chapters on Jewish history since I already knew most of the pre-Roman stuff.
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I'm probably exaggerating what he said, but it does seem like a lot can be attributed to them, more than we usually think, anyway.
Edit: Do you have a suggestion on something better? I'm still going to read the rest of the series, but I am curious on what I'm missing.
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#17 Posted 21 August 2022 - 08:16 AM
Morpheus Kitami, on 06 August 2022 - 07:36 AM, said:
Sorry for the late reply Morpheus. I agree to an extent. The egyptians for example were one of the first civilizations to practice surgery, which as a doctor it's pretty neat.
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Honestly? Try looking at more objective sources of history, like encyclopedias or research articles. They are more of a dry read but at least there is a veneer of trying to not be bias on it. Given the current situation of the social studies however I would approach more modern literature reviews with a grain of salt.
EDIT: Durant being a racist is just absolute boogus crap born from perpetually offended people. Nothing in his writings point to that. And even if he was it would have been a product of his time.
This post has been edited by jkas789: 21 August 2022 - 08:18 AM
#18 Posted 22 August 2022 - 05:08 AM
Šneček, on 21 July 2022 - 07:36 AM, said:
Maybe they just don't want to post, what they read, into this thread.
nope.
you're right.
people don't read (books) anymore.
it explains the rampant amount of retardedness in society today.
they only peruse headlines and believe what they're told without much thought or research into it.
most weirdos accuse authors of being some -ist or ism, and plebs gooble that crap up.
getting authors discredited is the best way to get their works ignored.
the accusations are social constructs they are so fond of allegedly dismantling.
when the adults are kowtowed, then it's easier to train the children that feelz are more important than factz or research.
then when nobody is reading anymore, the books and history can be re-written without notice.
Stash your pre-internet encyclopedias and dictionaries in a safe place hidden from sight and knowledge.
sooner than later owning them will get you thrown in prison, or worse.
all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others
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#19 Posted 23 August 2022 - 05:49 PM
jkas789, on 21 August 2022 - 08:16 AM, said:
Honestly? Try looking at more objective sources of history, like encyclopedias or research articles. They are more of a dry read but at least there is a veneer of trying to not be bias on it. Given the current situation of the social studies however I would approach more modern literature reviews with a grain of salt.
EDIT: Durant being a racist is just absolute boogus crap born from perpetually offended people. Nothing in his writings point to that. And even if he was it would have been a product of his time.
I don't mind encyclopedias, since that's more or less how I picked up most of my knowledge on guns and mythology, but again, I feel like the question is, which one would you suggest? Not all are created equal, some are clearly worse than others.
#20 Posted 29 August 2022 - 08:52 AM
Morpheus Kitami, on 23 August 2022 - 05:49 PM, said:
This days I'm not really sure tbh. Britannica used to be really really good. In fact their Mexican History Enciclopedia used to be one of the best references period. This days I usually cross reference literature reviews and other research articles, and look up on other work by the author to sus out biases, but that is my medical research mania coming in. I don't care if that viking burial was for a transexual attack helicopter as long as the author is not inferring it is an attack helicopter because he made it the fuck up.
The problem really lies that the humanities are so full of people out to prove that their ideology is correct that they retroactively re write shit to make it fit in their square hole. It's like psychology, psychiatry or cancer research being non reproducible. But at least in medicine you can call them out without being called a racist or bigot or whatever phobe.
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#21 Posted 31 August 2022 - 02:22 PM
#22 Posted 18 September 2022 - 11:02 AM
Quite informative, I never realized how much of a crappy place the Roman Republic was before it turned into an Empire. Bribery, destitution, and corrupt abound. At one point some 400 people were suspected to own most of the land in the Roman Republic, while most of the lesser citizens were on the corn dole, living in crappy houses. Its change into an Empire was actually a good idea at the time, since their senate is the most corrupt senate anyone has ever seen. Much of the empire period was spent on making decisions that were good at the time, but gradually turned out to make things worse.
I also find it interesting that despite being an atheist, Durant doesn't blame Christianity for causing the fall of Rome. All Christianity did was fill a hole left by the Romans gradual disbelief in their own gods and their general distaste towards the course the state was taking.
#23 Posted 16 May 2023 - 06:32 AM
It was about a detective who gets shot by a fellow female spy during a botched hit on a gang and is rescued by a top surgeon for a corporation owned by his dying father, who then bequeaths him his company and a prototype car that has the ability to think, talk and other extraordinary feats, which the detective, with a new face and identity, uses to go looking for the gang and the female spy in order to get revenge and prevent the technology theft of his newly acquired company.
#24 Posted 29 May 2023 - 11:21 PM
#25 Posted 30 May 2023 - 02:06 AM
jkas789, on 29 May 2023 - 11:21 PM, said:
"So far it´s interesting" you wrote that well. So far it's interesting, but it can still go wrong and stop being interesting and fun.
Sometimes it can be wrong to rush to judge a book before it reaches the end...
Nothing against Lawrence Block. It's just that I didn't finish some of the books myself, because halfway through the novel I was no longer tempted to open them again... These situations can happen, too.
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#26 Posted 13 June 2023 - 07:15 PM
Šneček, on 30 May 2023 - 02:06 AM, said:
Sometimes it can be wrong to rush to judge a book before it reaches the end...
Nothing against Lawrence Block. It's just that I didn't finish some of the books myself, because halfway through the novel I was no longer tempted to open them again... These situations can happen, too.
Yeah some of his book can be hit or miss. I finished it and it was fiiiiiiine.
ATM I'm reading Iacobus, a book by Matilde Asensi. In a rare occasion, I'm actually reading this in my mother language: spanish. This days I rarely read books in spanish unless there is no other way to acquire them or if the original author was spanish speaking.
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#30 Posted 06 September 2023 - 08:02 AM
Šneček, on 03 September 2023 - 06:40 AM, said:
Oh, partially resembles Wilbur´s grandfather, not father. I was in a bit of a hurry when I was writing that day, so I made an inaccuracy.
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