[gemeaux333]

Also, I have no issue with the Leslie Nielsen humor (Naked gun, space travesty,etc...)

[Radar]

Calling DNF's humor "Austin Powers style" is an insult to Austin Powers.

[OpenMaw]

gemeaux333, on 31 October 2019 - 10:12 AM, said:

You are wrong, like Schwartzy, Duke will be back, either it will be :
-Gearbox although they are busy stashing 11 Billions crates and guns...
or
-Small independants who will not make bleeding edge visuals, but something with heart and soul !

He says with no basis or facts.


Randy doesn't want to touch it. He's unlikely to share unless he get's a big fat pay check out of it. There's minimal chance we see Duke ever again in a meaningful way. I'm sorry.

[gemeaux333]

Never say never !

[gemeaux333]

https://youtu.be/rSv8J6mpKLw?t=3736

[DisgustedGrunt]

gemeaux333, you are never gonna convince me, as long as Gearbox owns the IP it's never gonna happen.

At this point the Duke lives on only in the heart of his fans. Look at all the mods and maps that are still being made, look at Ion Fury, that's the Duke legacy.

[gemeaux333]

Just need time to prove that the skepticals are wrong !

Just as Winona Ryder says : "In present days, only high budget super zeroes movies happen quickly, the other productions are taking years" and it can also be applied to video-games by degrees !

[DisgustedGrunt]

gemeaux333, on 08 December 2019 - 09:05 AM, said:

https://youtu.be/rSv8J6mpKLw?t=3736

https://youtu.be/rSv8J6mpKLw?t=560

"sometimes, dead is better"

[OpenMaw]

gemeaux333, on 08 December 2019 - 10:39 AM, said:

Just need time to prove that the skepticals are wrong !

Just as Winona Ryder says : "In present days, only high budget super zeroes movies happen quickly, the other productions are taking years" and it can also be applied to video-games by degrees !

I'm sorry, but:

Blah blah blah.

[gemeaux333]

Do you mean everything have been told ? Then I could politelly agree !

[OpenMaw]

I mean, you're insane and blind if you think Duke Nukem is coming back in any big way. He's been relegated to rereleases and cameos.

[gemeaux333]

And I say you should start thinking positive, stop dwelling on negative, only good things may happen if you do so !

[DisgustedGrunt]

gemeaux333, on 10 December 2019 - 09:53 AM, said:

And I say you should start thinking positive, stop dwelling on negative, only good things may happen if you do so !

[Citation needed]

[Sledgehammer]

His uncle works in Gearbox.

[OpenMaw]

gemeaux333, on 10 December 2019 - 09:53 AM, said:

And I say you should start thinking positive, stop dwelling on negative, only good things may happen if you do so !

It's called being realistic.

We used to have a guy just like you who was around back when a lot of this community was on the 3D Realms forums.

When DNF came out he stopped posting entirely. Went on to other things.


Gearbox, mainly Randy, have a negative outlook on Duke Nukem. The mass media, if they even care, have a negative outlook on the character right now. Nobody is going to put big money down for a Duke game ot be made. It just isn't going to happen

[MusicallyInspired]

I defended DNF for years until after the game came out. I tried to be positive and defend it anyway, but after the "dedicated server" feature was unveiled in all its glory I snapped and lost it. My ranting post on the Gearbox forums got Reddit's attention lol. I did the same thing for Star Wars when The Last Jedi came out. I'm still at it and am hopeful about Ghostbusters and Bill & Ted now, but yeah as far as Duke Nukem is concerned I'm okay with letting it remain "dead." The old game is always there. DNF should have never came out. At least more of the community would still be around and not disillusioned and jaded with what we ended up getting.

[gemeaux333]

And just as Civvie 11 said : "We can have Duke Nukem again, its not unthinkable, its not impossible, it just require the WILLS, and the BALLS !

[DisgustedGrunt]

gemeaux333, on 11 December 2019 - 09:23 AM, said:

And just as Civvie 11 said : "We can have Duke Nukem again, its not unthinkable, its not impossible, it just require the WILLS, and the BALLS !

And Gearbox has neither. At this point the IP is being hold for ransom.

[gemeaux333]

As far as I understood, Gearbox (Randi Pitchford) would agree to let someone work on a Duke Nukem game, as long as money is not expected/asked/begged from them, so crowdfunding seems the only solution at this point...

[OpenMaw]

gemeaux333, on 11 December 2019 - 10:14 AM, said:

As far as I understood, Gearbox (Randi Pitchford) would agree to let someone work on a Duke Nukem game, as long as money is not expected/asked/begged from them, so crowdfunding seems the only solution at this point...

No.

[Altered Reality]

Just to better understand Randy's attitude toward Duke: did Gearbox ever send a C&D letter to the authors of Duke Nukem 3D VR? Because we're talking about a released project, versus George sending me a C&D letter in 1999 when I had posted a couple of screenshots of a Duke3D+DNF inspired Quake2 level I was making.

[OpenMaw]

Altered Reality, on 11 December 2019 - 10:24 AM, said:

Just to better understand Randy's attitude toward Duke: did Gearbox ever send a C&D letter to the authors of Duke Nukem 3D VR? Because we're talking about a released project, versus George sending me a C&D letter in 1999 when I had posted a couple of screenshots of a Duke3D+DNF inspired Quake2 level I was making.

Yes, 3D Realms was very aggressive about defending the Duke Nukem IP.

Randy Just doesn't give a flying fuck. That's his attitude as I have come to personally understand it.

He does not care.

So, yeah, you can go ahead and make a glorified mod, but there's no guarantees that he won't bite you in the ass later. Whichever way the wind is blowing is the direction Randy will go. If HE smells money.If you don't believe me just look into the Duke 3D Reloaded situation. He basically squatted the project.

[MusicallyInspired]

He certainly cared when Cataclysm was smashed. But yeah, he seems to have changed his stance.

[gemeaux333]

But Randy finally gave his blessing for Duke 3D Reloaded...

Besides, Randy is very busy man, he don't have time to check every details... I doubt there is even enough hours in a day to do so... not sending C&D letter to the authors of Duke Nukem 3D VR to our knowledge doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't care (assumingly he is aware of it)

Homeworld is a much better example of how they care about old licenses !

[DisgustedGrunt]

gemeaux333, on 12 December 2019 - 09:30 AM, said:

But Randy finally gave his blessing for Duke 3D Reloaded...

Besides, Randy is very busy man, he don't have time to check every details... I doubt there is even enough hours in a day to do so... not sending C&D letter to the authors of Duke Nukem 3D VR to our knowledge doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't care (assumingly he is aware of it)

Homeworld is a much better example of how they care about old licenses !

https://en.wikipedia...em_3D:_Reloaded

"The game has been put on an indefinite hold as of September 24, 2011, pending the resolution of differences between the Interceptor Entertainment team and Gearbox Software due to ambiguity on whether or not the finished product would actually be allowed to see release"

Schreiber spoke out on the delay in 2013, stating in an interview published in the July issue of the Danish video-game magazine, gameplay, that it was a direct result of Duke Nukem Forever's disappointing reception. He elaborated, "The problem was that Reloaded, in its then present state, was both a prettier and better game than Forever was. So they [Gearbox] could under no circumstances allow us [Interceptor] to publish it, show it, or do anything at all with it, because it would destroy the sales-opportunities they had left in Forever."

gemeaux333, on 12 December 2019 - 09:30 AM, said:

Besides, Randy is very busy man, he don't have time to check every details... I doubt there is even enough hours in a day to do so...

Yeah, he has to practice his magic tricks and watch underage porn...

[OpenMaw]

gemeaux333, on 12 December 2019 - 09:30 AM, said:

But Randy finally gave his blessing for Duke 3D Reloaded...

No. He never did. Where exactly did you hear that? Because if it came from Randy himself, it's not backed up by the facts.

This is how that actually went down.

Interceptor went "Hey, we want to remake Duke 3D."
Gearbox, Randy; "Cool! Lemme set you up with a license..."

You know what happened next? Word salad. The devs of Duke3D Reloaded were basically told, sure, you can make the game, but we have total control over media releases and the agreement doesn't actually contain anything regarding RELEASING IT. Now, Randy claims the reason things didn't proceed is because Interceptor wanted to turn it into a commercial project. Which came with the territory of just what Interceptor was doing. They needed a way to keep the team together, which was a large group spread out across the globe.

Now, what Lazy Dog quoted there is also equally dubious because i've seen quite a bit of Duke 3D Reloaded. By quite a bit, I mean what little they had in a multiplayer beta, and I can tell you... It really wasn't much better than DNF. It was different, and it suffered from the same kinds of optimization and jank that Rise of the Triad released wtih.

gemeaux333, on 12 December 2019 - 09:30 AM, said:

Besides, Randy is very busy man, he don't have time to check every details... I doubt there is even enough hours in a day to do so... not sending C&D letter to the authors of Duke Nukem 3D VR to our knowledge doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't care (assumingly he is aware of it)

...What? What are you trying to even say?

A. Of course they're aware of it. It made a pretty big splash. Randy is on Twitter and social media all the time, every day. What exactly do you think he does at Gearbox? He's not a designer, he doesn't physically do the developing anymore. He's a manager. He is primarily in his office doing shit on a computer. He's fully aware of projects when they become visible.

gemeaux333, on 12 December 2019 - 09:30 AM, said:

Homeworld is a much better example of how they care about old licenses !

You mean how they released it with the original Homeworld's balance being completely broken because they did a rather rushed job porting HW1 into HW2's tech and didn't account for the dramatically different ways the two games play?

MusicallyInspired, on 11 December 2019 - 04:49 PM, said:

He certainly cared when Cataclysm was smashed. But yeah, he seems to have changed his stance.

We never cleared the air on that. There were some emails that went back and forth and we were both left shrugging our shoulders, basically.

[MusicallyInspired]

With Randy you mean? I hadn't realized there was actually any correspondence.

[gemeaux333]

I still don't understand that racket on Randy just because he made a mockup of a squirter in one of his private parties...

And not only the Homeworld remaster is not a mere port on the Homeworld 2 engine, it got plenty of graphic and gameplay polishes, just regret they didn't take the time to recover the original multilanguage dubbings !
They also made a great Homeworld prequel : Deserts of Karhak

And yes in the end Randy gave his blessing for DN3D Reloaded, but Interceptor behaved like spoiled kids : when something is denied to them, they do everything to get it, and once they finally get it, they no longer give a f...

[OpenMaw]

MusicallyInspired, on 12 December 2019 - 02:23 PM, said:

With Randy you mean? I hadn't realized there was actually any correspondence.

Some. Primarily focused on clearing the air. One of our fellow forumers had opened the dialogue. Randy and I had some back and forth regarding what happened with Cataclysm. There was no record of any C&D's being sent out. I had since deleted all my old email so I couldn't go and get it to show him. Randy was basically like "But yeah, you can do it."

He offered to give us a license to create a fan project of our own. I said i'd like to create a small scale project with Unreal Engine 4. Ultimately I did not try to recall the Cata-team until that was actually secured. Tea Monster and I were working back and forth to put something together while we waited. Months went by with no traction. Basically, all Randy told me was that it could take awhile because they have to "keep the lights on" and getting legal paperwork sorted out wasn't a high priority. After that? Nothing. Initially, things seemed rather cordial and magnanimous.

I wasn't about to go into full-tilt development like Reloaded did and get stuck. We stayed, basically, in experimentation mode until the project shuttered.



You will note the contrast between that behavior and what has gone on with Gearbox and Interceptor/3D Realms over the years. Money involved? Locked and loaded. No money involved? No care.

So yeah, you can go to Randy and try to get something going, or you can go and do it on your own, and Gearbox won't care. Not because they're gracious and loving of their fans, but because they don't see cash-money in cultivating the Duke Nukem franchise right now. It's basically seen as an embarrassment and something that cost them a great deal of money for very little return.

Let me be clear on that though; Gearbox's stance, at least through Randy, is intentionally vague. There is a strong sense of deniability involved. It's not that Gearbox is directly endorsing people making stuff based on their copy-written material. They're purposely turning a blind eye, and the dirty secret there is it can change at any moment. So, you can get lucky like Serious Duke 3D did, or get bitten by the rattle-snake. It depends on what the winds favor.

gemeaux333, on 13 December 2019 - 11:08 AM, said:

I still don't understand that racket on Randy just because he made a mockup of a squirter in one of his private parties...

What?!

gemeaux333, on 13 December 2019 - 11:08 AM, said:

And not only the Homeworld remaster is not a mere port on the Homeworld 2 engine, it got plenty of graphic and gameplay polishes, just regret they didn't take the time to recover the original multilanguage dubbings !


They also made a great Homeworld prequel : Deserts of Karhak

I didn't say it was a mere port. i said they botched HW1 when they ported it over to the HW2 engine. All of the units became unbalanced due to the nature of the differences between the way Homeworld and Homeworld 2 work. The very reason they did that porting was to make use of higher res textures and effects. I didn't knock the presentation, but the port job left somethings to be desired. Gearbox rushes just about every damn thing they do.

Gearbox did not develop Deserts of Karhak. It was Blackbird Interactive that developed it. Gearbox was publisher.

gemeaux333, on 13 December 2019 - 11:08 AM, said:

And yes in the end Randy gave his blessing for DN3D Reloaded, but Interceptor behaved like spoiled kids : when something is denied to them, they do everything to get it, and once they finally get it, they no longer give a f...

No.

Gearbox, Randy, purposely kept Interceptor from proceeding. "You can have the license to make the thing, but we will never tell you that you can actually release it." is more or less how that situation played out. That's not Interceptor pitching a fit. I'm the last person to defend someone like Frederik Schreiber, because he's a bit of an asshat, and some of the things I've heard about him and his creative decisions are baffling and crazy, but Gearbox played those guys.

Let me break it down for you, because it's basically a perception game.




Instead of shutting down Duke 3D Reloaded when it first appeared online (As Duke Nukem Next Gen), and currying bad relations with the community, Gearbox wisely sidestepped that by going the license route. Putting a stranglehold on the developers so that they were controlled, but letting the public think there was something legit going on. Then, ultimately? It faded away.

[Hank]

Commando Nukem, on 13 December 2019 - 08:37 PM, said:

Instead of shutting down Duke 3D Reloaded when it first appeared online (As Duke Nukem Next Gen), and currying bad relations with the community, Gearbox wisely sidestepped that by going the license route. Putting a stranglehold on the developers so that they were controlled, but letting the public think there was something legit going on. Then, ultimately? It faded away.

Oh, yeah, I remember. fresh promising a free new update to Duke 3D. I even challenged him on this, right here, at this very forum, because of the work involved. Then, a view month later, fresch, blamed publicly, Randy(Gearbox), he was forced to go commercial. No Reloaded. What a shame. https://www.indiedb....oaded/downloads, this farce is still on Indiedb
Frankly - Neither, the New 3D Realms with 'fresch' aka Schreiber nor Randy care. All they care is about cash. Fuck them both.