[TerminX]

Make the plasma weapon, it's projectiles and the shield thing take on the palette of the player using it.

[daniel262b]

Hellbound, on Jun 23 2009, 11:09 AM, said:

It would be great if you have new player gfx.

i wonder which character would fit best with this mod. By the look of the weapons, i think a Quake Ranger type of trooper would just click.

[Daedolon]

Hellbound, on Jun 23 2009, 11:09 AM, said:

It would be great if you have new player gfx.

I didn't feel that Duke fit in there either, the Duke sounds should be changed too.

[Danukem]

I like the idea of Duke being in that environment, and a lot of the Duke sayings will fit right in (not just from Duke 3D but other games).

He needs to change his clothes, though!

Changing all the graphics and sounds is a lot of work. Cage has been a HUGE help in the graphics department, but there's just so much to do. I doubt that we'll be able to remove all the Duke 3D content.

[Danukem]

TX, on Jun 23 2009, 02:03 AM, said:

Make the plasma weapon, it's projectiles and the shield thing take on the palette of the player using it.

Done: http://deeperthought...m/plasmapal.wmv

[Daedolon]

DeeperThought, on Jun 23 2009, 06:41 PM, said:

He needs to change his clothes, though!

Well that works well, too, I guess. I loved that in Duke Caribbean, but It Out In D.C. just felt way too bland because it didn't change that. The regular Duke3D Duke gets old after all these years.

DeeperThought, on Jun 23 2009, 07:12 PM, said:

Done: http://deeperthought...m/plasmapal.wmv

That's very nice, I hope you have alot of those minor changes to the game and it'll be awesome.

[Tea Monster]

That is looking sweet. I love the chunky bomb chucker.

[Jimmy]

Daedolon, on Jun 24 2009, 05:23 AM, said:

The regular Duke3D Duke gets old after all these years.

BLASPHEMY.

[Hellbound]

DeeperThought, on Jun 23 2009, 07:41 AM, said:

I like the idea of Duke being in that environment, and a lot of the Duke sayings will fit right in (not just from Duke 3D but other games).

He needs to change his clothes, though!

Changing all the graphics and sounds is a lot of work. Cage has been a HUGE help in the graphics department, but there's just so much to do. I doubt that we'll be able to remove all the Duke 3D content.

Hmm, I think that main character should be replaced anyway with some other badass tough motherfucker, but not Duke ;]
I can PM you a proposal if you want. And it would be easy for me to bring that from the beginning to the end, because it's just 8-bit shit

[Danukem]

Hellbound, on Jun 25 2009, 07:32 AM, said:

Hmm, I think that main character should be replaced anyway with some other badass tough motherfucker, but not Duke ;]
I can PM you a proposal if you want. And it would be easy for me to bring that from the beginning to the end, because it's just 8-bit shit

I know you hate Duke, you have said so before on 3DR. Duke has a lot of good one-liners, some from other games that would fit this TC. Why not make him wear something that fits the mod better and leave it at that?

[Hellbound]

It's not because I hate Duke... but whatever, if you say so. It would be cool if someone would manage to change his clothes, add some kind of cloak and chain mail elements ;]

[Daedolon]

DeeperThought, on Jun 25 2009, 07:07 PM, said:

Duke has a lot of good one-liners, some from other games that would fit this TC. Why not make him wear something that fits the mod better and leave it at that?

He has tons of medieval quotes in Time To Kill. Plus he had a time period specific clothing in both Time to Kill and Zero Hour.

[Danukem]

Daedolon, on Jun 26 2009, 07:26 AM, said:

He has tons of medieval quotes in Time To Kill. Plus he had a time period specific clothing in both Time to Kill and Zero Hour.

Yeah, I have the sounds from Time To Kill. There were some good ones, although I don't recall there being "tons" of medieval ones.

[Daedolon]

DeeperThought, on Jun 26 2009, 06:25 PM, said:

I don't recall there being "tons" of medieval ones.

You have to play with what you have got.

Remember that both the PSX and N64 versions of Duke Nukem 3D have new samples too. I'd check Planet of the Babes, Zero Hour and Manhattan Project as well.

[Danukem]

Hellbound, on Jun 26 2009, 01:50 AM, said:

It would be cool if someone would manage to change his clothes, add some kind of cloak and chain mail elements ;]

Yes, that would be great, especially for multiplayer.

[daniel262b]

Hellbound, on Jun 26 2009, 11:50 AM, said:

It would be cool if someone would manage to change his clothes, add some kind of cloak and chain mail elements ;]

something like this?

[William Gee]

That's pretty cool. (y)

Duke doesn't have jetpack in WGR2, also the cloths need to suit the type of weapons that he uses and they are DooM\Quake style. Chain mail would more suit a swords and crossbow game IMO. Anyways I'm sure Cage knows the exact style of cloths that would fit.

[Danukem]

daniel262b, on Jun 26 2009, 03:44 PM, said:

something like this?

I agree with WG's points, but that is still pretty damned cool!

[supergoofy]

I think a black or dark brown long leather coat would be more suitable

Have you seen Silvester Stallone in the movie Cobra ?

[William Gee]

supergoofy, on Jun 26 2009, 04:19 PM, said:

Have you seen Silvester Stallone in the movie Cobra ?

No, but I guess this is the look you are talking about.

[Cage]

Badass modern hero in a medieval/fantasy land, hmm.. First thought that came to my head was army of darkness

Well changing Duke's appearance is a bit low priority now, I'm focused on the weapons/items/monsters/texture fixes at the moment

[Danukem]

Cage, on Jun 26 2009, 05:36 PM, said:

Badass modern hero in a medieval/fantasy land, hmm.. First thought that came to my head was army of darkness

Exactly. And that's why it's fine to keep Duke with some clothing changes. As most fans know, Duke's "character" was influenced by Ash.





Heh, according to this site: http://www.mutantrev...meevildead.html , Bruce Campbell was not pleased:

Quote

Duke Nukem 3D, a popular first person shooter, is released for the PC. It features many voice quotes taken from the Evil Dead series — such as "Hail to the king, baby". Some people unfamiliar with the Evil Dead movies henceforth attribute those quotes to Duke Nukem. Bruce Campbell was not amused by the "homages", citing, "They're rip-off artists. Let them get their own damn material. It's called hiring a writer. They're blatantly ripping it off and if I was any kind of litigious guy they would've gotten a phone call by now. It's depressing and I think it's wrong."

In fact, Duke Nukem is a joke character, and an amalgam of various action heroes of the 80's. Which makes it rather ironic when 3DR gets aggressive about protecting him as their intellectual property.

[Jimmy]

While your edit is well done, Daniel, I don't think that looks like chain mail, it looks like some weird shirt that Glenn Danzig would wear. Love those shoulder pads though.

[daniel262b]

William Gee, on Jun 27 2009, 01:57 AM, said:

Duke doesn't have jetpack in WGR2, also the cloths need to suit the type of weapons that he uses and they are DooM\Quake style.

agreed, that's why i said in an earlier post that a Quake-style ranger would fit best IMO

Captain Awesome, on Jun 27 2009, 07:00 AM, said:

While your edit is well done, Daniel, I don't think that looks like chain mail, it looks like some weird shirt that Glenn Danzig would wear. Love those shoulder pads though.

heh, i knew the low res would make it awkward

i'll come up with some ideas for outfits and i'll post here later on

[ZedDB]

Perhaps change fonts also?
Maybe something like this?

Edit: And with color!

[Danukem]

ZedDB, on Jun 27 2009, 06:04 AM, said:

Perhaps change fonts also?
Maybe something like this?
fonts.png
Edit: And with color!
fonts2.png

There are very specific requirements for a font we could use. We were using one ripped from Hexen, but we finally gave up on it for various reasons.

The font would need to replace the one in tiles011.art which starts at tile 2822. The characters have to be the same height and width, and they need to use various shades of blue (just like the 8-bit Duke fonts) so that the text can change to any color in game. If you can provide a copy of tiles011.art with the new font in it, that's great. But there are more suitable medieval-esque pixel fonts than the one you posted. One problem with the one above is (like any font you will find online), the letters have no shading.

[ZedDB]

DeeperThought, on Jun 27 2009, 05:30 PM, said:

There are very specific requirements for a font we could use. We were using one ripped from Hexen, but we finally gave up on it for various reasons.

The font would need to replace the one in tiles011.art which starts at tile 2822. The characters have to be the same height and width, and they need to use various shades of blue (just like the 8-bit Duke fonts) so that the text can change to any color in game. If you can provide a copy of tiles011.art with the new font in it, that's great. But there are more suitable medieval-esque pixel fonts than the one you posted. One problem with the one above is (like any font you will find online), the letters have no shading.

Well I did have a look around the .grp folder before and looked at the fonts and decided that I would do the ones that start at 2929. They are used for most of the menus and numbers to show for example health ingame. Can I use blue but as the original ones is in red will they be able to change color? Most of them are 16x16 ATM so one more pixel lager than the original ones, perhaps this will be a problem?
Yeah I know there are more "true" medieval-esque fonts out there but they don't translate into less 16 pixels that well
But as you say the fonts aren't really spot on so I wonder if I should continue working on it or not...

[Danukem]

ZedDB, on Jun 27 2009, 11:45 AM, said:

Well I did have a look around the .grp folder before and looked at the fonts and decided that I would do the ones that start at 2929. They are used for most of the menus and numbers to show for example health ingame. Can I use blue but as the original ones is in red will they be able to change color? Most of them are 16x16 ATM so one more pixel lager than the original ones, perhaps this will be a problem?
Yeah I know there are more "true" medieval-esque fonts out there but they don't translate into less 16 pixels that well
But as you say the fonts aren't really spot on so I wonder if I should continue working on it or not...

I suppose it would be useful to have a replacement for the big red font you are referring to, but not as useful as the one I wanted (the red font is not used to display messages in game). However, there is no way to change the color of the big red font as it appears in menus, and I doubt it would look good in blue. Making it one pixel bigger could be a problem. It's hard to know exactly what effect that would have until seeing it in game. Also, all the letters should be in uppercase -- no lowercase letters allowed.

Finally, I don't really like the font you showed earlier. Some of the letters are too stylized, and/or look too similar (e.g. I and J). There are better ones out there. For example, this one:

http://www.1001freef...m/8bitlimit.php

(type uppercase letters in the preview field to see the font). Unfortunately, the size of that font seems to be a little bigger than the one that starts at 2822 but smaller than the one starting at 2929. Plus, there's the shading problem I mentioned earlier.

[ZedDB]

I've managed to change the numbers now at least...

BTW is there any other program then DukeRes that you can use to edit the .art and .grp files? I had to go though a lot of tweaking to get DukeRes to import the .pcx files correctly

Edit: Did the fonts also to see how it looks ingame:

A little bit too dark don't you think?
Besides this I have tried too replace the small blue fonts also. But they are really small (9x7) so there will be a lot of work to make the fonts look good

[William Gee]

Love the style it looks really good. (y) I'm not sure if its too dark, most of my levels are bright so a dark font might be a good thing. not sure though.