[brullov]

https://twitter.com/KensLabyrinthII

[MusicallyInspired]

Huh. Neat.

[MrFlibble]

Давно пора!

[Edit] It's on the Build engine right?

[Edit 2] There's GZDoom mentioned in one of the posts so I guess it's GZDoom then (honestly I'd prefer Build just because).

[HulkNukem]

Cage is there any project you AREN'T involved with?

[Marphy Black]

This is a pretty peculiar project. It seems to have sprung up out of nowhere, not yet existing outside of this Twitter account (hasn't even been mentioned in any Doom community, as far as I can tell), but it has Ken's blessings/official licensing.

A Google search led me to finding this post from the project's leader, probably best known as the voice in Brutal Doom.

The author is also registered here, however. Reveal yourself!

[MetHy]

Ken's Labyrinth in Doom ?

Heresy!

[Tea Monster]

Ken saw the curse of Duke and decided to jump ship to another engine.

Can't blame him.

[Zero X. Diamond]

Haha, wow, I thought I was going to have to be the one to start posting about this on other forums. Thrilled to see that wasn't the case! As Marphy's internet detective skills have revealed, yes, I am the mastermind behind this project. Any questions you've got I would be more than happy to answer!

[MrFlibble]

I've always thought how awesome it would be if a new game using art assets from Ken's Labyrinth and the Build engine demo was created, but it seemed somewhat unlikely. I'm glad I was wrong

Will there be any voxels in the game? (I don't remember if GZDoom supports voxels, although I'm sure that some Doom port does). Also why didn't you choose Build?

[Zero X. Diamond]

GZDoom DOES support voxels, though despite them being basically Ken's love child there are no plans for their use at this time.

As for why we chose GZDoom, the reason is twofold. I would have loved to have used BUILD, but the fact of the matter is that I simply don't have the experience with it needed to be able to be hands-on with the project. Lord knows I've tried, but that Mapster is just not as user-friendly as I'd have hoped. That and I'm pretty sure there's no way to license EDuke32 for commercial use, whereas GZDoom has the GZDoom-GPL variant which is totally up for indies to use for development.

[Player Lin]

MrFlibble, on 05 February 2017 - 07:01 AM, said:

(I don't remember if GZDoom supports voxels, although I'm sure that some Doom port does).

ZDooM/GZDooM does, but maybe not on GZDooM-GPL because Build code hates GPL and removal of ZDooM's software renderer. And Voxel code re-write still in WIP.

https://twitter.com/...477546186973185

This said they used GZDooM for sure, and I'm not sure if they want use voxels as that parts still Build code, unless they don't use voxels anymore...

I know many of DooM fans not like Ken's Build license and likely want to get rid of them if alternative exists.

EDIT: Silly me, totally not see Zero X. Diamond's post when I post, ignore me please.

[stumppy84]

How involved is Ken in the project? Or is he just allowing you guys to make Ken's labrith 2?

[CryptKiller]

stumppy84, on 05 February 2017 - 08:15 AM, said:

How involved is Ken in the project? Or is he just allowing you guys to make Ken's labrith 2?

I guess his smooth voice will once again welcome us to Ken's Labirynth

[Hendricks266]

Zero X. Diamond, on 05 February 2017 - 07:06 AM, said:

That and I'm pretty sure there's no way to license EDuke32 for commercial use, whereas GZDoom has the GZDoom-GPL variant which is totally up for indies to use for development.

Sure there is, you license it from us.

[Jimmy]

>Ken's Labyrinth on any engine other than BUILD

[Kawa]

It's funny, because the original wasn't BUILD either.

[Jimmy]

It wasn't, it was a Wolf3D clone. But it's what inspired Ken to create BUILD.

[Zero X. Diamond]

Sorry I didn't reply to all these sooner!

stumppy84, on 05 February 2017 - 08:15 AM, said:

How involved is Ken in the project? Or is he just allowing you guys to make Ken's labrith 2?

Ken's basically just an onlooker and well-wisher in all this, beyond receiving royalty payments for each sale we make in the end. However, as CryptKiller pointed out, he has volunteered to do some voice acting for the game!

Hendricks266, on 05 February 2017 - 12:47 PM, said:

Sure there is, you license it from us.

Really? I've always heard that BUILD had a very restrictive license as far as commercial use goes.

Jimmy, on 06 February 2017 - 12:12 AM, said:

>Ken's Labyrinth on any engine other than BUILD

I'm very sorry to hear you feel this way. Hopefully you'll still give us the benefit of the doubt and check out the game when it's ready??

[Marphy Black]

This is a mostly tangential question that you'd only be able through Ken's knowledge who'll probably say "I don't know," but does (or did) this image exist in any high resolution form whatsoever?



This is presumably artwork that came from Epic's side, but despite being a nice illustration seemingly with the correct proportions for a big box cover, it has never been used outside the game's intro, at least as far as I know.

[Zero X. Diamond]

Marphy Black, on 12 February 2017 - 07:02 AM, said:

This is a mostly tangential question that you'd only be able through Ken's knowledge who'll probably say "I don't know," but does (or did) this image exist in any high resolution form whatsoever?



This is presumably artwork that came from Epic's side, but despite being a nice illustration seemingly with the correct proportions for a big box cover, it has never been used outside the game's intro, at least as far as I know.

The whole intro sequence was Epic's doing, yes. Ken's not even sure who did the art--he assumed the Ken's Labyrinth logo before the screen you posted was done by Tim Sweeney when I asked about it--so I couldn't tell you if that image exists in a higher resolution form.

[Hendricks266]

Zero X. Diamond, on 12 February 2017 - 06:44 AM, said:

Really? I've always heard that BUILD had a very restrictive license as far as commercial use goes.

I would expect this kind of misinformation from the Doom community. It is only restrictive in the sense that you can't sell it without an agreement like you could something under the GPL. However, all you need is to talk to us.

BUILDLIC said:

[3] Distribution of any derivative works MUST be done completely FREE of
charge - no commercial exploitation whatsoever.

[5] The use of the Build Engine for commercial purposes will require an
appropriate license arrangement with me. Contact information is
on my web site.

The source port authors have contributed our changes under the same license. If you talk to us, TX and I will make sure that Ken, JonoF, Plagman, and Helix are all represented.

[neznam]

Hendricks266, on 12 February 2017 - 09:52 AM, said:

I would expect this kind of misinformation from the Doom community.

Why?

[Hendricks266]

Hendricks266, on 05 December 2015 - 05:49 AM, said:

I once had an argument about this on 4chan (anonymously, of course).

>It's disgusting that the BUILD engine devs won't release it under GPL like Doom!
How so?
>They want to make money on it!
Why is that a problem?
>Because then my mod/fangame can't make [as much] money on it!

[cybdmn]

Marphy Black, on 12 February 2017 - 07:02 AM, said:

it has never been used outside the game's intro, at least as far as I know.

http://ogdb.eu/image...d=24392&limit=0

[Marphy Black]

Unfortunately, that looks to be the same 8-bit low resolution art taken from the game itself.

Since they're credited in the Epic release, I also theorize that the illustration may have been done by someone in Future Crew, although that probably means the artwork was only optimized for the low res version we see in the final product.

Ultimately, the main point is that Ken deserves far better than this monstrosity:



That ain't no Sparky in my book.

[Kawa]

Yeah. The logo's okay but the rest... sheesh!

[MrFlibble]

Marphy Black, on 13 February 2017 - 01:35 AM, said:

Since they're credited in the Epic release, I also theorize that the illustration may have been done by someone in Future Crew

That's what I've always thought. The only thing is that I can't remember now where I read about Future Crew's involvement. It might have been some interview with Ken, perhaps this one.

[Jimmy]

Zero X. Diamond, on 12 February 2017 - 06:44 AM, said:

I'm very sorry to hear you feel this way. Hopefully you'll still give us the benefit of the doubt and check out the game when it's ready??

Of course. I wish you well and all of that. I just find it to be a missed opportunity of sorts.

neznam, on 12 February 2017 - 05:55 PM, said:

Why?

Because the Doom community is full of tards.

[Cage]

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