[Inspector Lagomorf]

*looks around*

*drops this link*

It's official: Intel shuts down the cheap overclocking party by closing Skylake loophole

*runs*

[Mark]

I was a little disappointed that no-one commented on my little joke in the Decay mod. The store owner killed by zombies while trying to put out the fire in an overclocked computer.

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[Inspector Lagomorf]

^^^ Thread over.

[Forge]

They make it out to be a "money" thing - 'Oh, the people can just buy our cheap stuff and get the same performance as the higher-end products. It's costing us money."

It's really a monopoly thing. They can't leave good performing, cheap products available to the consumers because it's going to put the competition out of business. They need a decent competitor so they can control the market.

same reason microsoft bailed out apple back in '97

[Jimmy]

[Person of Color]

This isn't really much of a loophole. BCLK overclocking is a fucking waste of time, goes nowhere, and can even damage your system if set too high. I've never messed with it and never will.

Fuck this newer Intel garbage regardless, though. I built a system for a buddy last weekend. Got an i5-4690k to 4.4GHz stable...an absolute fuckton of work. The amount of parameters you need to tweak is just insanity compared to earlier Intel chips or even AMD stuff. Thing runs like a beast though...after three days of tweaking and stability testing. Not gonna lie I'm pretty proud of myself for reaching the absolute max safe speed you can get on air cooling, and having it (very rarely) hit 82 C under load. But seriously, fuck Intel for making it so hard!

Also I just snagged another 2500k for peanuts to replace this fucking burned out dud of a chip Sketchball McGee sold me a couple years ago on eBay.

Mark., on 10 February 2016 - 06:33 PM, said:

I was a little disappointed that no-one commented on my little joke in the Decay mod. The store owner killed by zombies while trying to put out the fire in an overclocked computer.

LOL

[Tea Monster]

Last time I ordered anything tech on EBay I got sent a hard drive in the mail wrapped in 3 sheets of newsprint. Last time I ordered any computer part on EBay.

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Tea Monster, on 16 February 2016 - 01:38 AM, said:

Last time I ordered anything tech on EBay I got sent a hard drive in the mail wrapped in 3 sheets of newsprint. Last time I ordered any computer part on EBay.

Yeah, that's one of those times where I'll take the annoying plastic clamshell box over the "custom packaging".

[Tea Monster]

I think that no matter what Intel does, OC'ers will always find a way.

[DustFalcon85]

@ Jimmy and Viper. How's the experience of overclocking the i5-6600K Skylake processor? Is it worse than Haswell or is it just the same? Will anyone wait until the Kaby Lake and Cannonlake CPUS to arrive in the coming years?

EDIT: Who's Sketchball McGee?

[Robman]

Person of Color, on 13 February 2016 - 12:14 AM, said:

I built a system for a buddy last weekend. Got an i5-4690k to 4.4GHz stable...an absolute fuckton of work.

I know I wouldn't be overclocking something to the bleeding edge for a "customer or buddy" who had no idea how to do it themselves.
You're going to be back dicking with it the moment it gets 5 particles of dust on the cooler and overheats, or some such bullspit.

DustFalcon85, on 17 February 2016 - 09:36 AM, said:

Is it worser than Haswell or is it just the same?

DustFalcon85, on 13 February 2016 - 09:00 AM, said:

How did Mr. Deviance got banned for?

Not from around here?
Who's Sketchball McGee? - Random questionable person selling wares somewhat anonymously.

[Tea Monster]

Yeah, there were reasons that builders used crap like PC Chips in everything back in the day. It ran like shit, but they all swore by them, not at them.

Customers who are calling up every 5 minutes are no fun.

[Robman]

Indeed.

When I was fixing computers out of my home some years ago, my biggest issue was Windows... charging for it.
Windows would end up being half the bill most of the time. Mind you most of the computers themselves weren't even worth the price of Windows.

Spoiler

So, being the nice guy I was, I'd sometimes give them a copy of questionable legality with the stipulation of "Don't install this 1 update."
Do you think people could follow that rule? No.

[Person of Color]

DustFalcon85, on 17 February 2016 - 09:36 AM, said:

@ Jimmy and Viper. How's the experience of overclocking the i5-6600K Skylake processor? Is it worse than Haswell or is it just the same? Will anyone wait until the Kaby Lake and Cannonlake CPUS to arrive in the coming years?

EDIT: Who's Sketchball McGee?

I haven't played with Skylake yet. Microsoft retroactively pulled Windows 7 support for it so I've been speccing Haswell systems. They're cheaper and perform nearly the same.

Sketchball McGee did a 5GHz suicide run on this processor and as a result it suffered more electromigration than a German city. It doesn't really overclock anymore and always needed more voltage than it should have. Such is the joy of used parts - if you fuck up you can make it someone else's problem. I've never degraded a processor core because I'm not a complete retard. Heat + voltage = gradual death. Shit is that simple.

Robman, on 17 February 2016 - 05:47 PM, said:

I know I wouldn't be overclocking something to the bleeding edge for a "customer or buddy" who had no idea how to do it themselves.
You're going to be back dicking with it the moment it gets 5 particles of dust on the cooler and overheats, or some such bullspit.

It's got a pretty big buffer zone. It usually hits mid-70's under full load.

Tea Monster, on 18 February 2016 - 12:38 AM, said:

Yeah, there were reasons that builders used crap like PC Chips in everything back in the day. It ran like shit, but they all swore by them, not at them.

Customers who are calling up every 5 minutes are no fun.

I have a PC Chips M912 motherboard with a real UMC chipset and L2 cache. It'll run pretty much any 486 chip out there. It overclocks well too, plus it has that nifty GUI AMIBIOS. I love that board, but almost all of the M912's are trash. I got this one from an ex-girlfriend's dad and it's been great for many years, I just don't use it much anymore. I'm about to give it a purpose again, though.

Every other M912 I've seen either has a generic chipset with a sticker over it, fake cache, or both. I think the main reason these were unstable was the shit-ass chipset - my real UMC board has been solid as a rock since day one.

[DustFalcon85]

Person of Color, on 20 February 2016 - 05:57 PM, said:

I haven't played with Skylake yet. Microsoft retroactively pulled Windows 7 support for it so I've been speccing Haswell systems. They're cheaper and perform nearly the same.

Good news Viper! Microsoft will give a one year extension of Windows 7/8.1 to Skylake CPUs. Details here: http://blogs.technet...indows-8-1.aspx

[Forge]

DustFalcon85, on 21 March 2016 - 06:45 PM, said:

Good news Viper Microsoft will give a one year extension of Windows 7/8.1 to Skylake CPUs

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Forge, on 21 March 2016 - 06:56 PM, said:

All you need is a can of air duster and maybe some WD-40, and you can get that baby up and running again in no time.

[Mark]

I'd replace a couple of caps just to play it safe.