[Danukem]

Plagman, on Dec 5 2010, 02:44 PM, said:

r_pr_overridespecular and r_pr_specular[power|factor]

Are there optimal values for those, and if so, what are they?

[Plagman]

No, the specular material (power and factor) is something that's specific to each surface, model you want to display in game. You set them in DEF for each separate texture and model to achieve the look you're after. These CVARs are just for overriding them from the game in order to be able to tweak them without constantly restarting the game.

[Danukem]

Oh, I see. So they just need to be set properly for Tea Monster's model in the DEF, and it will look fine in game.

[bullerbullerseven]

ohh that sounds nice. useful.

[LeoD]

NightFright, on Dec 2 2010, 08:26 PM, said:

Does anybody remember which was the last snapshot which didn't have the glitch seen above?

I have tried with Polymer HRP svn6 - same glitch, starting with EDuke svn1699.

NightFright, on Dec 2 2010, 08:26 PM, said:

BTW, E2L1/E2L9 maphacks were updated with new lights by Micky C. Please redownload from signature link or HRP site.

Please put the latest maphacks into the Subversion repo.

@devastator
0345_s is in TGA format. I guess that this was not intended.

Additional nitpicking:
The tubes in the lower half of 0347 are too shiny/new. And the writings on 0345/0347 'scubagear'/'t -250 °C' might not make sense in many [user]maps.

[Devastator]

well, any better ideas for door writings?

[LeoD]

[@all: The original writings were unreadable]

The former HRP version of 0345 was 'DANGER' which is suitable in almost all dukish environments/settings.
The former HRP version of 0347 had a 'U.S.S. Dallas' plate attached - looked good but did not match the original.
What about 'Hazardous environment - keep door closed' or 'Safety lock - keep closed' ?

[NightFright]

HRP SVN build #174 committed.

Changes:
> Maphacks by Micky C added
> Fixed: 345_s (converted from tga --> png)

I will compile a new full HRP build and put it online shortly.

[Devastator]

how about
"Caution! Nikel tubes
contain toxic lava."

[Danukem]

I would vote for making them meaningless strings of numbers and letters (like serial numbers), or removing the text entirely. The text is a small detail on the originals and totally unreadable. No matter what you put on there, if it has any meaning it is guaranteed to not fit a lot of maps.

[NightFright]

Polymer HRP build 174 is ready. On the HRP site, you will also find Tinfoilhat's mirror link. Maphacks haven't changed.

[Stabs]

just checked out the new hrp, #771 is fantastic

kudos to whoever done that

[Hendricks266]

Devastator, on Dec 6 2010, 10:27 PM, said:

how about
"Caution! Nikel tubes
contain toxic lava."

That's corny, and it also would stand out as a negative reflection on the HRP due to mistakes. Try DT's suggestion, serial numbers.

[Roma Loom]

#771 is a mix of textures from cgtextures.com I did when I saw previous version of #771 was very glossy on Area 51. Also I have to say that Area 51 has many polymerized textures now and will have more in the near future.

[Root 9]

Hendricks266, on Dec 7 2010, 06:05 PM, said:

That's corny, and it also would stand out as a negative reflection on the HRP due to mistakes. Try DT's suggestion, serial numbers.

You can't go wrong with Serial Numbers.. Fits anywhere http://forums2.duke4...tyle_emoticons/default/smile.gif

[High Treason]

Yeah, put some Windows 7 serial keys on it http://forums2.duke4...tyle_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif

Don't really do that, it's a bad idea, but generic serial numbers are cartainly the right way to go.

[Mike Norvak]

Some time ago i made texture 3387 blue (Pal 20), i think that texture isn´t on HRP yet, maybe this could be useful http://forums2.duke4...tyle_emoticons/default/dry.gif

[NightFright]

Hmmm... in general, adding pal 1-x tints for textures should not be needed any more since autotinting works quite well by now. However, if someone can show me where it might be needed, then it might be different. ^^

[Danukem]

NightFright, on Dec 15 2010, 11:48 AM, said:

Hmmm... in general, adding pal 1-x tints for textures should not be needed any more since autotinting works quite well by now. However, if someone can show me where it might be needed, then it might be different. ^^

What is "autotinting"? Is this something different from defining tints in the DEF file?

At any rate, pal 20 does nothing in the HRP. Applying pal 1 to the texture in the HRP looks pretty close to what pal 20 should look like.

[Mike Norvak]

I think it´s necessary, look at the pictures:


TILE 3387 Pal20 (left) and PAL1 (right) without HRP


TILE 3387 Pal20 (left) (not actually in HRP) and PAL1 (right) with HRP

Maybe it needs to be a bit more brownish.

Also it reminds me that Pal1 tiles on HRP never has seen like the original ones

without HRP



with HRP



Maybe it could be improved by changing the tint flags somthing like this:



Perhaps too purple, but it´s only an example,

BTW what autotinting does?

[Hendricks266]

NightFright, on Dec 15 2010, 01:48 PM, said:

Hmmm... in general, adding pal 1-x tints for textures should not be needed any more since autotinting works quite well by now. However, if someone can show me where it might be needed, then it might be different. ^^

False. There are only "autotints" for 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, and 8, and these are generally very imprecise and produce dissatisfactory results.

[Fox]

Yes. It's not necessary to have alternative tiles for each pal.

The problem is that the current pal values don't match the original game.


Personally I use these values (I took them from the game colors):

Quote

tint { pal 1 red 72 green 88 blue 140 flags 1 }
tint { pal 2 red 216 green 52 blue 20 flags 1 }
tint { pal 4 red 0 green 0 blue 0 flags 0 }
tint { pal 6 red 132 green 128 blue 80 flags 3 }
tint { pal 7 red 252 green 224 blue 24 flags 1 }
tint { pal 8 red 132 green 128 blue 80 flags 1 }

[Mike Norvak]

Fox, on Dec 15 2010, 06:11 PM, said:

Yes. It's not necessary to have alternative tiles for each pal.

I just said, Tile 3387 needs a properly pick for pal20 as well as other tiles with 12-25 palettes.

Fox, on Dec 15 2010, 06:11 PM, said:

Personally I use these values

Yeah, those tints are more similar to original pals.

[Danukem]

Hmm, you might as well add a tint line for pal 20, with similar values to pal 1. Unless you can think of something in a map that is pal 20 but is not supposed be bluish.

[Hendricks266]

DeeperThought, on Dec 15 2010, 11:38 PM, said:

Hmm, you might as well add a tint line for pal 20, with similar values to pal 1. Unless you can think of something in a map that is pal 20 but is not supposed be bluish.

No, you can't add any sort of definitions for higher pals unless a more flexible palmap system is implemented. (Like Hunter_rus', but without the problems.)

see: EDukeWiki: Palette (environment)

Compare:

Pal 0 -> Pal 1:

->

Pal 0 -> Pal 20:

->

Quote

Pal20.png
Brown, green, orange and purple [not everything] to blue
Blue to gray

[Danukem]

Hendricks266, on Dec 16 2010, 08:23 AM, said:

No, you can't add any sort of definitions for higher pals unless a more flexible palmap system is implemented. (Like Hunter_rus', but without the problems.)

see: EDukeWiki: Palette (environment)

Compare:

Pal 0 -> Pal 1:

->

Pal 0 -> Pal 20:

->

I think you are missing my point, and wasting your time on a complicated post in the process. I'm aware that pal 20 does not make everything blue, but in the majority of cases it is used to make things blue, and at any rate defining a tint for it will yield results that are better than nothing. Right now the HRP has nothing for pal 20. If a proper system comes along (which may never happen) the tint can be removed.

[Mike Norvak]

DeeperThought, on Dec 16 2010, 11:26 AM, said:

I think you are missing my point, and wasting your time on a complicated post in the process. I'm aware that pal 20 does not make everything blue, but in the majority of cases it is used to make things blue, and at any rate defining a tint for it will yield results that are better than nothing. Right now the HRP has nothing for pal 20. If a proper system comes along (which may never happen) the tint can be removed.

But still there're few missing textures for pals like 14,19,24,25,etc....

[Danukem]

Norvak, on Dec 16 2010, 09:30 AM, said:

But still there're few missing textures for pals like 14,19,24,25,etc....

25?

Anyway, there's more than a few, I would wager. And all of those alternate pal textures increase the size of the HRP, and increase load times. There's just no good way of dealing with the problem at this point.

[Mike Norvak]

DeeperThought, on Dec 16 2010, 11:45 AM, said:

25?

DeeperThought, on Dec 16 2010, 11:45 AM, said:

Anyway, there's more than a few, I would wager. And all of those alternate pal textures increase the size of the HRP, and increase load times. There's just no good way of dealing with the problem at this point.

Wherever, that´s true.

[Tea Monster]

Palmaps!

If the old implementation was buggy, couldn't someone re-visit it and get it working?