[Hendricks266]

ozz, on Sep 12 2010, 01:48 PM, said:

Seems like this model is more inspired from Duke Nukem Forever, not that thats a bad thing but it should reflect the classic duke.

Here's some better blowups of the Duke sprite, without that shitty filtering and pink.

[Stabs]

new tile #742 is completely wrong, it doesn't look anything like the original tile and the one we had earlier was even better

[Tetsuo]

Although some tiles shouldn't look exactly like the original tiles. For example those ones with hard coded lighting in them like the ones with lamps drawn on them and lighting up the tile. That should be handled by models and dynamic lighting separate from the tile in the polymer HRP. Same thing with the tiles that have pipes on them... some have already been changed this way but more need this treatment.

[NightFright]

Before you continue complaining, you should first download the current releases of the highres packs for the Doom ports. After checking them out for accuracy of remade textures/models included, please come back and edit your posts for a more positive review.

[Tetsuo]

I'm not complaining I'm offering constructive criticism.... it's not a review. The Duke HRP is great but there's still room for improvement especially for Polymer. It's up to you if you want to interpret my posts in a positive or negative way.

[NightFright]

Yeah, that's fine for me. Anyway, while I think much of the stuff we currently have in the HRP might need improvement, the overall quality is admirable. Just look at the models. Compared to the ones from the Doom comm projects, the stuff we have is premium level. xD OFC, it doesn't mean some models and textures don't suck, but they do so on a higher level. Nicer babes would be a cool thing for sure, but I guess it will take some time.

[Master Fibbles]

On the babe models:
Wouldn't it be possible to use something like MakeHuman for making a base model and then lowering the polycounts some (or a lot since MH has really high poly models)? MakeHuman is open source, which is why I am asking.

[Rellik]

I was considering suggesting Makehuman too, but the licensing kinda confused me.

http://sites.google.com/site/makehumandocs...Legal-questions
http://sites.google.com/site/makehumandocs...-MakeHuman-Mesh

If someone can make better sense of what you can and can't do, then Makehuman would work well if we are in the clear.

[Stabs]

ask them, iam sure they wont bite

[Danukem]

Rellik, on Sep 12 2010, 07:58 PM, said:

I was considering suggesting Makehuman too, but the licensing kinda confused me.

http://sites.google.com/site/makehumandocs...Legal-questions
http://sites.google.com/site/makehumandocs...-MakeHuman-Mesh

If someone can make better sense of what you can and can't do, then Makehuman would work well if we are in the clear.

What that says is that while you are free to use makehuman and distribute the resulting models, those models must be under the makehuman license. Moreover, while "You are the Copyright holder of changes that you have made... The MakeHuman Team retains Copyright over the topology and the base mesh, but grants you permission to copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the generated materials over which they hold Copyright, including the topology and positional information constituting the base mesh."

It looks to me like there would be no problem with using it on HRP stuff, providing that those models made with makehuman are under the makehuman license and not the HRP license.

[Master Fibbles]

I think DanM has the best idea...asking them via an email explaining the HRP project and ask about usage in this project. If needed, we could probably amend the license to include MH stuff (if it is used) or something like that.

[Tetsuo]

A good thing about that software is it can do male and female models. We need a male "babe" for the Babes of The Caribbean ride in the fourth episode. I've seen some ugly faces made with it but some good ones as well. Used well it could make some good babes.

Anyway one more quick constructive criticism about the new Duke model. The jeans don't seem to fold naturally as they should and lack detail especially around the crotch area. They look more like they where molded from clay and have a jeans texture applied... and I agree that the boots should go over the pants.

[Night Wolf]

DanM, on Sep 13 2010, 07:00 AM, said:

new tile #742 is completely wrong, it doesn't look anything like the original tile and the one we had earlier was even better

Yeah I know, at the time I did that for a reason ... it looks way to noticeably tiled, since it has the same pattern repeated over and over, most noticeable on the building in e1l1.

although since finding out it were possible to use xscale/yscale trick, it would be possible to make it look detailed and closer to the original ..although I'm not sure how it really works ... pretty much ... it will most likely get remade soon.

however this is a good example of tiles that shouldnt remain exactly the same as the original tiles, to look more realistic and fit in better into an environment.

[Tea Monster]

Rellik, on Sep 12 2010, 06:58 PM, said:

I was considering suggesting Makehuman too, but the licensing kinda confused me.

http://sites.google.com/site/makehumandocs...Legal-questions
http://sites.google.com/site/makehumandocs...-MakeHuman-Mesh

If someone can make better sense of what you can and can't do, then Makehuman would work well if we are in the clear.

Export a high-res mesh then re-topo FTW.

[Night Wolf]

#0742
Now if someone could work out that xscale/yscale trick, we'd be in business.
0742
0742_n
0742_s

Edit:
I figured it out.

texture 742 {
pal 0 { file "highres/textures/0742.png" xscale 2.0 }
normal { file "highres/textures/0742_n.png" parallaxbias 0.04 parallaxscale 0.05 }
specular { file "highres/textures/0742_s.png" }
detail { file "highres/detail/concrete.png" xscale 0.3 yscale 0.15 }
}

[Stabs]

hey that does tile up much nicer now, esp used on thinner surfaces

[BrOiler1985]

I really like that model! Good work. The legs are looking a little odd to me, but thats maybe only me.

[Night Wolf]

Hey movento, you might also want to consider making the jaw on the model a little bit more squarish and masculine.
also maybe make his lips more flesh coloured, kind of looks like he's wearing lipstick.
it really is a good model though.

[NightFright]

SVN build #160 committed. Changes:

> Modified: #742 (incl. n/s)

[LeoD]

BrOiler1985, on Sep 14 2010, 06:32 AM, said:

I really like that model! Good work. The legs are looking a little odd to me, but thats maybe only me.

I think the whole guy is too slim (though realistic) compared to the original. I agree with DT that the current model is better. Maybe it will always be because if the new model gets too good the comic style might vanish and it wouldn't fit into the game any more.

[Tetsuo]

Yeah I was saying a few posts back that he could use some beefing up in the muscle department. Although a little more realism is welcome by me we don't need to stick TOO slavishly to how they originally looked. We wouldn't want pixelated models would we? Maybe something between the older model and this one would be great.

[Night Wolf]

#699

[LeoD]

The blood is great but the writing seems somewhat bleached out and has a brighter backgound than the rest of the blackboard. But I don't think that this will be noticeable ingame. (If you simply pumped up the letters of the original I'd say it works quite well for chalk writing.)

[Mark]

I don't know where or how that tile is used, but my guess is its a menu or something and the prices and items may have been erased and re-written many times so there is extra chalk dust by the writing.

Or did I just over analyze the whole thing

[Hendricks266]

It's used in E3L1.

Marked, on Sep 16 2010, 05:55 PM, said:

I don't know where or how that tile is used, but my guess is its a menu or something and the prices and items may have been erased and re-written many times so there is extra chalk dust by the writing.

That's not how chalk works. You have very clear chalk writing that's on the board, and what's erased leaves a slight, big smear. You can't see the text after erasing unless you press very hard.

[Night Wolf]

I'm going for realism over originality ... if made the background darker it wouldn't look right, plus then the blood would be very hard to see ... i'm not going to make the blood look like paint like the original.
The chalk looks fine, to me its like the chalk has been there for a very long time.
anyway the original tile had smudging on the chalk, do some research.

Here's what it looks like darker.
Actually its not as bad as I thought, bloods still visible.

[Tetsuo]

I kind of thought the chalkboard looked a little more realistic lighter to tell you the truth.... especially with the smudges from being previously erased.

[Night Wolf]

Made the chalk a little sharper and detailed.
everyone agree with this one?

[Micky C]

That's definitely the best one imo, I'd be happy with it ingame. My only worry is that the chalk still looks a tad blurry, as I tend to prefer nice crisp textures generally speaking, and chalk tends to have sharp edges despite it's texture in my experience, more like this:

[LeoD]

Micky C, on Sep 17 2010, 01:29 PM, said:

That's definitely the best one imo, I'd be happy with it ingame.

Agreed. Ozz, tell us when it becomes too nitpicky. No one wants to scare of valuable contributors.