[NightFright]

HRP SVN build #152 committed. Changes:

> Modified: #293_d, 301, 305, 360, 361, 363, 4130-4133_d

[Night Wolf]

You know what would be nice to see ... a missle projectile model that wasnt so long and huge, currently its nothing like the sprites, the fins are way to long too.
It doesnt even look like it could fit in the Rpg barrel, also the Devastator projectiles were really small missiles.


this is a good example of the Devastators projectiles ... there meant to be like bullets... although with fins
I think they use the same projectiles for the RPG and Devastator .. just the one is scaled down.

[Danukem]

The Devastator has always fired RPGs. They are exactly the same sprite and the same tile number as regular RPGs, but scaled down.

I guess your post is just pointing out that the RPG model does not look much like the sprite. Fair enough: but those bullet looking things in the box look even less like it.

[Night Wolf]

DeeperThought, on Aug 17 2010, 06:12 PM, said:

The Devastator has always fired RPGs. They are exactly the same sprite and the same tile number as regular RPGs, but scaled down.

I guess your post is just pointing out that the RPG model does not look much like the sprite. Fair enough: but those bullet looking things in the box look even less like it.

They do if you look directly at the sprites through say GRP viewer.
but when playing duke you never saw the projectile from side ... the projectiles always looked smaller ... im not sure if its the size of the actual model or if its just the fins that are too large, either way it looks odd... I still think they look too big ... expecially the Devastators.
I suppose the only way to prove this would be to take screenshots.
(also I was pointing out that the projectiles at least match the barrel size)
Edit:

These are taken with the missile in the exact same position.

[Roma Loom]

I guess each barrel of the devastator shots 2 rockets at once. So actually there should be two holes in each barrel. So the current rocket size looks fine to me, unlike the size of the rocket for RPG...

[Danukem]

Roma Loom, on Aug 17 2010, 09:06 AM, said:

I guess each barrel of the devastator shots 2 rockets at once. So actually there should be two holes in each barrel. So the current rocket size looks fine to me, unlike the size of the rocket for RPG...

It doesn't fire 2 rockets at once; there is a 1 tic separation between them. In eduke32 they used to fire at once, but that was a bug (there was always that slight separation in the original game).

@ozz: Yeah, the fins are too large on the model. But the original sprite does have fins, unlike the bullet-like things in the box.

[Roma Loom]

but the action figure deva model appears to have two holes for rockets:


now I'm confused

[Night Wolf]

Roma Loom, on Aug 18 2010, 02:06 AM, said:

I guess each barrel of the devastator shots 2 rockets at once. So actually there should be two holes in each barrel. So the current rocket size looks fine to me, unlike the size of the rocket for RPG...

I always though it just pulse fired rockets, I dont think theres 2 holes in each barrel, but there is no way to really know that.

DeeperThought, on Aug 18 2010, 02:13 AM, said:

It doesn't fire 2 rockets at once; there is a 1 tic separation between them. In eduke32 they used to fire at once, but that was a bug (there was always that slight separation in the original game).

@ozz: Yeah, the fins are too large on the model. But the original sprite does have fins, unlike the bullet-like things in the box.

Yeah thats what I think too. If you look closely you can see that each rocket is a little bit behind the other.
....

Yeah I know that orginal has fins, I was mealy pointing out the shape and size they should be, I noted that they should have fins. :-)

@Roma

considering that the colour of Dukes shirt in the action figure is blackish I wouldnt trust it being accurate at all ...
that and the fact it looks nothing like the devastator in game. (it's too squarish)
but yet who knows :S

[Master Fibbles]

The two wholes could be for quick reload/fire rate. Shoot one and while another rocket is autoloading into the hot one, the other whole fires. Just a theory.

[Gambini]

That toy looks terrible. Duke´s head is smaller than his hands WTF

[OpenMaw]

It fires from two sets of barrels. 2 on the left, 2 on the right. Every shot is supposed to be the "main barrel" kicking back. Left and right. It says so in the instruction booklet. A complete volley from the Devastator is in fact 4 rockets.

[Cage]

#814

texture 814 {
  pal 0 { file "polytex/0814_d.png" xscale 2.0 yscale 2.0 }
  normal { file "polytex/0814_n.png" parallaxbias 0.03 parallaxscale 0.06 }
}

no spec but I think it's not necessary




I'm working on #843 at the moment

[Stabs]

#802 is pretty shitty and low res, it could probably be remade, currently has more of pinkish tinge to it rather than a yellow tinge like the original

[Night Wolf]

nice work cage

DanM, on Aug 18 2010, 07:45 PM, said:

#802 is pretty shitty and low res, it could probably be remade, currently has more of pinkish tinge to it rather than a yellow tinge like the original

#802 , is completely wrong too ...if you look at the tile when tiled and compare it to the original 8bit image tiled you can notice the differences.

[Fantinaikos]

To be honest also the vanilla game have's a big incoherence, you ever seen the two guns Duke grips in the title screen or the gun duke grip in the finished level screen INGAME? someone should make them in HRP (standard and polymer).

[Danukem]

Fantinaikos, on Aug 18 2010, 05:31 AM, said:

To be honest also the vanilla game have's a big incoherence, you ever seen the two guns Duke grips in the title screen or the gun duke grip in the finished level screen INGAME? someone should make them in HRP (standard and polymer).

There's also a gun like that in the game itself, but only as one of Duke's jibs.

[Roma Loom]

Cage, on Aug 18 2010, 12:38 PM, said:

#814

Nice one. The Y-axis (green channel) fo the normal should be be flipped (inverted). Submitted to SVN.
Nice to see that you are using xscale/yscale for such tiles. I personally wasn't aware of this trick when created some 1024x128 textures, so they turned out very clean and tidy to prevent details tiling...

[Night Wolf]

Fixed colour for this tile.
Theres quite a few that need this treatment.

#782


Edit: Heres another one

#781

[OpenMaw]

DeeperThought, on Aug 18 2010, 08:53 AM, said:

There's also a gun like that in the game itself, but only as one of Duke's jibs.

Its the gun the Duke sprite has in its hands. Same gun in the intermission screen, and the episode 2 cinematic. I call it the "all gun." Because it seems to have rockets built into it along with the capacity to fire bullets.

[NightFright]

SVN build #155 committed. Changes:

> Modified: #781_d, 782 (color corrections)
> textures.def: removed shiny effect from #814 (didn't fit)

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Also note that latest EDuke32 builds (#1699 and later) fix the HUD weapons! This means Spiker's new shotgun is finally usable in all its glory. The muzzleflash works (without ugly black square surrounding it), and as far as I could see ingame, the skin is now also displayed properly (well, can't tell for sure, but it looks better for me). With these improvements, it really doesn't look bad, if you ask me. Some may still critizise the animation and/or alignment, but I think Spiker did a pretty good job after all, and it should be acknowledged.

To celebrate the occasion, a new Polymer test release (v4.2.155) is available. Note that from now on, I am separating maphacks from HRP file again so the hacks can be updated separately (easier because of very small filesize). Therefore, please make sure you download both files if you want to test this. ^^ Don't forget to use latest EDuke32 snapshot!

[Roma Loom]

what shiny effect? specpower 0 and specfactor 0 remove the glossiness completely

[NightFright]

Well, I don't know for you, but with the settings from build #154 and before, the surface looked so shiny, I thought I would slip on it... xD It was definitely not what it should be. ^^

[Roma Loom]

That's very strange, because specpower 0 specfactor 0 should should give complete absense of specular effect. This is what it looks like for me with zeros:

[NightFright]

Weird. In my E1L2 and in some conversions, this is so shiny that it actually hurts the eyes. I am using latest EDuke32 snapshots and all...

[Night Wolf]

Holy crap that devastator looks amazing.

Edit:

Out of curiosity is it at all possible to animate the devastator like this?

[Tea Monster]

Holy crap Roma, that looks sweet!

The HUD pistol animations are nearly done. I'll download the latest snapshot and get some testing going.

[Roma Loom]

ozz, on Aug 22 2010, 10:17 AM, said:

Holy crap that devastator looks amazing.

Edit:

Out of curiosity is it at all possible to animate the devastator like this?

Yes. I was just lazy to add it. Also it needs specmap fixed in some places.

[NightFright]

Oops, I didn't realize that screenie actually showed a new weapon model as well! xD

[Tea Monster]

Having some strange behaviour with spec and normal maps.

[Roma Loom]

Try to run it through md3compiler's normal rebiuld and see what happens. There are huge problems aswell on any model exported from 3ds max at my side ans Spiker has reported those problems too. Looks like md3 exporters screw the face normals. And actually md3compiler is not an option too. But at least it fixes most of the model's surface.