[Night Wolf]

Remade this metal tile for polymer.
I couldnt seem to generate a working normal map for this, anyone want to give it a go? =)

#0218

[Spiker]

ozz, on Jul 23 2010, 12:40 PM, said:

Remade this metal tile for polymer.
I couldnt seem to generate a working normal map for this, anyone want to give it a go? =)

Looks rather simple. Why you couldn't generate it?

[Night Wolf]

Spiker, on Jul 23 2010, 09:09 PM, said:

Looks rather simple. Why you couldn't generate it?

Yeah I know hey... not sure.. some tiles just don't want to work.
When I gererate it with Nvidia normal map filter, the edges just drop straight off, same situation I had with the monitor tiles.
It only seems to work 50% of the time with me, I'm most probably doing somthing wrong

[Spiker]

I've downloaded your texture and it works for me. Try messing with range setting.

[Night Wolf]

Spiker, on Jul 24 2010, 01:01 AM, said:

I've downloaded your texture and it works for me. Try messing with range setting.

Range setting aih...
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I'm not gonna lie i'm only guessing what you mean by that haha
I'm essentially just fiddling with things I dont understand and hope for the best .. it works sometimes others not so much.
I should really look up how to use this filter properly.

Edit:
This is what's happening

It might be to do with my height map, hmmm

[Spiker]

The pickup version of shotgun is basically done. I think it looks pretty good but I think I won't release it. It has problem with "face normals" and from what I've heard this is probably an engine problem which discourages some artists from making models for polymer.

Also I won't make the HUD version since noone wants to share with me the hands that should be used with it, and these should be consistent as far as I know. Thank you for your attention.

[Master Fibbles]

What do you mean by "face normals"?

Also, if you ask, you could probably get the hand models...

[Spiker]

Basically speaking the normal map does not look exactly as it should. I asked

[Cage]

how about this one:



Btw. I found that when I have my heightmap as a separate layer (not as background) in photoshop, I end up with a weird normal map (kinda similar to one you've posted)

[Night Wolf]

Cage, on Jul 24 2010, 04:34 AM, said:

how about this one:
Btw. I found that when I have my heightmap as a separate layer (not as background) in photoshop, I end up with a weird normal map (kinda similar to one you've posted)

That looks good! ... but it should be parallax
can you make a parallax version?

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Yeah I was using a seperate layer, though I think you have to if you want it parallaxed...
It's weird sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt

[Cage]

here goes


no idea about the values though (can't test ingame at the moment)

[Night Wolf]

Perfect!
I'm not sure of the defs either but I tested it ingame with def I stole from some other nmap, and it works fine.

Here's the spec map to go with it.

[Tea Monster]

Spiker, I've PM'ed you. Send me details of your problem.

[NightFright]

Definitions for the #218 files?

[Roma Loom]

the green channel (vertical axis) of the normal in #218 should be inverted.

[Night Wolf]

Roma Loom, on Jul 25 2010, 08:08 AM, said:

the green channel (vertical axis) of the normal in #218 should be inverted.

Your not wrong, on closer inspection it reacts weirdly to light, hopefully its not hard to fix that.
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I've updated the link on 0218 added some more detail to the texture, it was looking quite plain.

[Night Wolf]

I've been meaning to post this for quite a while now, kept forgetting.
updated version of the current #0724
just a small change, mainly just the white outline and few details.

[Night Wolf]

Update to 0823_s
Hollywood star tiles are now shiny, the way they were ment to be =)


Edit:

Also
Better glow effect for #0276_2
more of a red glow insted of white.


and one with a red shading (not sure which one should be used)

[Night Wolf]

Heres the fixed parallax map by Cage.

[NightFright]

SVN build #140 uploaded. Changes:

> Added: #218_n/s;
> Modified: #218, 276_2, 724, 823_s

Remarkably enough, the defs for 218 were already updated without the n/s files actually being in place... xD

[Spiker]

I think the stripe at the back is too wide. Any other thoughts?

[Master Fibbles]

Is it animated yet? That is where the real criticism will erupt.

It looks "flat" is that makes any sense but that might just be because you haven't added shadows or you are waiting for HUD support in polymer.

[Spiker]

I will try to animate it tomorrow and yeah this will be the real test Yep, it's flat on purpose

[Hendricks266]

May I ask that you add some fake shading on your source .psd/.xcf and use that for the time being, as well as to provide compatibility with Polymost when the time comes for HUD Polymer?

[Spiker]

Hendricks266, on Aug 4 2010, 02:40 AM, said:

May I ask that you add some fake shading on your source .psd/.xcf and use that for the time being, as well as to provide compatibility with Polymost when the time comes for HUD Polymer?

I could do that but is there any point of this? Because you can always use the old version which is compatible. It's obvious that nowadays the stuff is created with polymer in mind. What's more I believe that if polymer wasn't that resource heavy and experimental then probably polymost mode would be wiped out.

[Jokke_r]

seeing the screen I'm reminded of another thing, the fence model i have always thought looks pretty weird with those fence posts being so wide, i mean they're like tree stumps, the fence would look a lot better if those posts where a lot thinner. And i know they were pretty thick on the sprite as well but i think that may have been because being a 2D sprite the fence when seen from an angle the posts will appear to be a lot thinner than from straight on, and if they had been made thin in the sprite they would be almost unnoticeable when seen from an angle.

On the shotgun i definitely think it looks better than the current one, especially in this idle pose, but i don't know how much you had to modify the geometry to make it look like this and hopefully it works out with the reload animation, hopefully you're planning to do a detailed normal map of some sorts for this model since it doesn't appear to be super detailed geometry wise, but it's hard to say from the flat shading ingame. Anyway, looking forward to this one.

[Night Wolf]

Shotgun looks rather nice seeing it in that perspective... be nice to see a higher quality normal mapped version...

...
Anyway ... Here is some floor tile #0211





Try this for defs.

texture 211 {
pal 0 { file "highres/textures/0211.png" }
normal { file "highres/textures/0211_n.png" parallaxbias 0.01 parallaxscale 0.05 }
specular { file "highres/textures/0211_s.png" }
}

[Radar]

Hendricks266, on Aug 3 2010, 04:40 PM, said:

May I ask that you add some fake shading on your source .psd/.xcf and use that for the time being, as well as to provide compatibility with Polymost when the time comes for HUD Polymer?

I don't believe anything here should be optimized for polymost. Taking the time to do that will only lead to slower development for the polymer HRP. And I'm not being selfish by saying this, because polymer doesn't even work on my Intel chipset. I'm thinking about Duke in the long run.

[Tea Monster]

On the subject of whether we should stick to the sprites or re-interpret them (or at least de-cartoonify them).

There is a lot of the stuff in this video that we can't do yet (particles etc.). But there is a lot that we can (high-res, realistic models and lighting).

Wouldn't it be just storming, if Duke could look more like Black Mesa?.

[MusicallyInspired]

My goodness, yes.