[Night Wolf]

Cage, on Jul 8 2010, 07:29 PM, said:

Well 0181 always seemed to me to look like a flat plastic, equally shiny floor, so I used generic textures to make it look shiny but worn - form walking, dust etc.

As for 0783 i like the feeling of the shiny wood and the shiny stripe, looks like some thick paint, feel free to revert it back if you don't like it though. Or maybe the map could be toned down a bit

Hmmm the previous 0181_s... might need some tuneing I guess.. it did seem a little weird when lit up in a dark room ... not so sure changing the texture completly is a good idea though... however im no expert of spec maps...
maybe it would be best to make a simmilar one using the same texture in the tile... like this?


As for 0783 ... maybe just tune the wood part of the previous one Roma made, to make the wood part slightly shinier... I wouldnt make the paint shinier ...its shiny enough ... tends to look more dirty and realistic if its not as shiny.

Nice work on the vent maps though.

[NightFright]

SVN build #132 committed. Changes:
> Modified: #181_s, #783_s (reverted back to version from this post)
> E1L5: lighting added (build #131)

ToDo:
> normal/spec defs for #378 (added, but might need finetuning)
> normal/spec defs for #1097 (commented out right now in textures.def)

[Night Wolf]

0783_s should have been reverted to this ...
http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y319/z...33/0783_s-1.png

I dont think it was ever posted on the forum ...

[NightFright]

Ah, very well. Will include this with next build again, then.

[SchoeteCitie]

Hey why dont we use the cruizer shotgun from duke plus and add a handle on the cocking thingy?
I mean the duke plus shotgun looks ALOT like the original duke shotgun

[Danukem]

SchoeteCitie, on Jul 8 2010, 04:39 PM, said:

Hey why dont we use the cruizer shotgun from duke plus and add a handle on the cocking thingy?
I mean the duke plus shotgun looks ALOT like the original duke shotgun

The animation would need some editing if it's going to match the original, but otherwise you're right. In fact, I think I have a def that would make it work with the HRP without any CON code.


EDIT: The model was originally made for a now defunct HL mod. I got permission to use it for DP, but it shouldn't be under the HRP license.

[Gambini]

Disruptor posted a few screenshots of a texture pack he´s working on and i found his Octabrain´s skin to be perfect for the pal 17 Octabrains. I suggested he could share this skin with the HRP team, and he nicely accepted.

His post below:

http://forums.duke4.net/index.php?s=&s...ost&p=46526

somebody should add the proper def lines to make it use the pal 17 skin.

[SchoeteCitie]

DeeperThought, on Jul 8 2010, 03:42 PM, said:

The animation would need some editing if it's going to match the original, but otherwise you're right. In fact, I think I have a def that would make it work with the HRP without any CON code.


EDIT: The model was originally made for a now defunct HL mod. I got permission to use it for DP, but it shouldn't be under the HRP license.

Wait since you've got permission to use it,Then i think the makers of the HRP should ask permission too
I mean seriously the original HRP model looks like a stick with shells.

[NightFright]

Gambini, on Jul 9 2010, 01:08 PM, said:

Disruptor posted a few screenshots of a texture pack he´s working on and i found his Octabrain´s skin to be perfect for the pal 17 Octabrains. I suggested he could share this skin with the HRP team, and he nicely accepted.

His post below:

http://forums.duke4.net/index.php?s=&s...ost&p=46526

somebody should add the proper def lines to make it use the pal 17 skin.

SVN build #133 committed. Changes:

> Added: #1820 (pal 17 skins)

[SchoeteCitie]

DeeperThought, on Jul 8 2010, 04:42 PM, said:

The animation would need some editing if it's going to match the original, but otherwise you're right. In fact, I think I have a def that would make it work with the HRP without any CON code.


EDIT: The model was originally made for a now defunct HL mod. I got permission to use it for DP, but it shouldn't be under the HRP license.

Wait by the way we could make it look like the Duke nukem forever shotgun, add a handle on the cocking thing and let it reload like it does in duke plus,IMO i find that cooler than moving it up then cocking cuz you see, Would you waste 2 seconds of survival that could kill you just by moving your shotgun up to reload?
(sorry for sounding so stupid...)

[ReaperMan]

@Spiker

I thought i might help you a bit on the shotgun, so here are the actual frames of the shotgun from duke3d. (Like the one commander showed)

Also here are some more links to pics that should help you make the grips. here and here.

I hope these will help you.

[Danukem]

SchoeteCitie, on Jul 9 2010, 02:45 PM, said:

Wait by the way we could make it look like the Duke nukem forever shotgun, add a handle on the cocking thing and let it reload like it does in duke plus,IMO i find that cooler than moving it up then cocking cuz you see, Would you waste 2 seconds of survival that could kill you just by moving your shotgun up to reload?
(sorry for sounding so stupid...)

So you want it to look like the shotgun in DP and reload like it? So just use DP already...

I think it makes more sense to have a new shotgun model specifically made for the HRP.

[Spiker]

ReaperMan, on Jul 10 2010, 01:57 AM, said:

@Spiker

I thought i might help you a bit on the shotgun, so here are the actual frames of the shotgun from duke3d. (Like the one commander showed)

Also here are some more links to pics that should help you make the grips. here and here.

I hope these will help you.

Thanks, may come in handy later on. And don't worry I will make a GOOD looking shotgun, even if it's now looking like crap. I just need some time A very important exam is coming with big steps

[SchoeteCitie]

DeeperThought, on Jul 9 2010, 06:44 PM, said:

So you want it to look like the shotgun in DP and reload like it? So just use DP already...

I think it makes more sense to have a new shotgun model specifically made for the HRP.

I do use DP all the time =/
Prob is if the HRP people make a new model it'l probably look like the old stretched shell firing stick they got ATM =/

[Tea Monster]

SchoeteCitie, on Jul 10 2010, 04:35 AM, said:

I do use DP all the time =/
Prob is if the HRP people make a new model it'l probably look like the old stretched shell firing stick they got ATM =/

If you want to troll, go to the DNF forum.

[SchoeteCitie]

Tea Monster, on Jul 10 2010, 07:22 AM, said:

If you want to troll, go to the DNF forum.

I'm not trolling i'm just saying it how it is, the duke plus shotgun looks WAY MORE like the original duke nukem sprite than the model the HRP has, i mean seriously a shotgun wont look that stretched irl unless your the largest man in the world.
And dont get me wrong here i dont try to troll i just like to say the truth rather than lying and saying "Hey nice job your doing good on that model" while they're not.

[Spiker]

If I make a HUD version of it it will be scaled to make it look normal, ok?

[SchoeteCitie]

Spiker, on Jul 10 2010, 07:44 AM, said:

If I make a HUD version of it it will be scaled to make it look normal, ok?

Like the original duke shotgun?

[Master Fibbles]

The problem isn't the model. The problem is the Field of View. With sprites you can have whatever FOV you want but as soon as you introduce any sort of FBA (such as we have with 3D models as HUD weapons) you need to have a FOV that is normal.

[SchoeteCitie]

Mr.Flibble, on Jul 10 2010, 08:55 AM, said:

The problem isn't the model. The problem is the Field of View. With sprites you can have whatever FOV you want but as soon as you introduce any sort of FBA (such as we have with 3D models as HUD weapons) you need to have a FOV that is normal.

FOV 90 is usually the default in any game,look at doomsday engine for doom the fov is 90 the models look like the sprites(some do) quake live fov is 90/95 the models dont look stretched either same for F.E.A.R. and all

[Roma Loom]

Some games just use stretched down HUD weapon models to make them look normal, some games render HUD weaponry with FOV that's lower than world's FOV. STALKER weapons are stretched down by the depth axis that's for sure because I've ripped a scene via 3D Ripper.

[Master Fibbles]

I don't think the FOV of eduke is 90...

[SchoeteCitie]

Mr.Flibble, on Jul 10 2010, 11:29 AM, said:

I don't think the FOV of eduke is 90...

I know last time i saw or anything, and this might surprise you, i saw FOV 419 or something i mean wtf?
might've been a bug or anything but i think your right the fov isn't 90

[Master Fibbles]

Like I said, when you are dealing with a 2.5D engine, you don't need a FOV at 90. The engine has been changed to be closer to being a 3D engine and therefore the FOV is not perfect for the HUD. This has been an issue for years with developing HUD models. From the oldest to the newest shotgun models, the FOV has been a point of discussion and contention.

I recommend against asking them to change the FOV of the engine, however, since you probably have no idea how many things depend on that FOV being what it is.

[Tea Monster]

This brings us back to a similarly old point. Why didn't someone just take the model into a 3D proggy and just scale up the front of the barrel?

[SchoeteCitie]

Tea Monster, on Jul 10 2010, 01:19 PM, said:

This brings us back to a similarly old point. Why didn't someone just take the model into a 3D proggy and just scale up the front of the barrel?

Because the whole model would have to be scaled,if you havent noticed the back looks stretched too and so does the handle.

[Tea Monster]

SchoeteCitie, on Jul 10 2010, 01:24 PM, said:

Because the whole model would have to be scaled,if you havent noticed the back looks stretched too and so does the handle.

That is pretty easy to do actually with something called a cage.

[Spiker]

Tea Monster, on Jul 10 2010, 10:33 PM, said:

That is pretty easy to do actually with something called a cage.

Lattice?

This discussion is pretty pointless and demotivating.

[SchoeteCitie]

Spiker, on Jul 10 2010, 02:35 PM, said:

Lattice?

This discussion is pretty pointless and demotivating.

How can this be demotivating?
You know your doing an awesome job on the shotgun model.

[Spiker]

I'm busy at the moment. I just watch some random tutorials before going to sleep but I will resume it again soon.

An experienced artist would be able to create a compliacted model (with rigging, animation and textures) like cycloid emperor for example in about one day. And no I'm not kidding, and what's more funny tweaking it takes more time than creating it from scratch.