[Kyanos]

Micky C, on 07 December 2018 - 09:23 PM, said:

I didn't think about potential irregularity. For the particular area I'm thinking of, the vast majority of the sectors are 4-sided and concave. It should be relatively straightforward to fix the remaining sectors. Essentially I'm trying to move a lot of sectors upwards, so it needs the activator (and possibly a speed sprite) in each sector.

If it doesnt need to be centered just cycle through x,y coords by 5 or 10s and check to see if that sector has your necessary sprites added. If not add them, if it does move on. Very uneffiecient but practicle.

[Micky C]

Could I ask a favour of someone to write a quick mapster script function to achieve the described effect?

Micky C, on 07 December 2018 - 08:31 PM, said:

Is there some mapster script to be able to insert a particular sprite at the centre of all highlighted sectors? Ideally the sprite would have all the properties of that in the clipboard, but otherwise a particular tile number would do. There's a really, really cool effect I want to pull off, but it requires adding effector sprites to around 900 sectors...

Also, I've started having a very random "out of memory" error when trying to start the AMC TC. It's not the most recent eduke32, but for various reasons we can't currently update beyond this version. Also, James isn't getting this error on his computer.

EDuke32 r6865
Built Apr 29 2018 10:27:24, GCC 7.2.0, 64-bit 
Using F:/amc_tc/ for game data
Checking for updates...
Connecting to http://www.eduke32.com
Current version is 20120522... no updates available
Running on Windows 10 (build 10.0.17134)
Initializing SDL 2.0.8
Searching for game data...
 Checksumming DUKE3D.grp... Done
Using "DUKE3D.GRP" as main game data file.
Using file "AMCTC.grp" as game data.
Compiling: GAME.CON (438644 bytes)
Relocating compiled code from to 0x000000001978a040 to 0x000000001a2a7040
Including: USER.CON (0 bytes)
Including: DEFS.CON (0 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMCVARS.CON (53188 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMCDEFS.CON (195342 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMCUSER.CON (317479 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMC_EPS.CON (22665 bytes)
Including: AMC_Settings.ini (3032 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMC_LOADA.CON (27610 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMC_SUBTITLES.CON (188030 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMC_CUT_SUB.CON (296093 bytes)
Including: CODE/getzrange.con (1373 bytes)
Including: CODE/PSTATS.CON (777262 bytes)
Including: CODE/EBIKE.CON (17682 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMCEXTRA.CON (540167 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMCSTEPS.CON (26402 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMCWEPS.CON (1038633 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMCENEMY.CON (696884 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMC_COM.CON (267060 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMCCOMP.CON (1033264 bytes)
CODE/AMCCOMP.CON: In state `JAMES_EQUIP_SCREEN':
CODE/AMCCOMP.CON:6258: warning: found `else' with no `if'.
CODE/AMCCOMP.CON: In state `ZAXTOR_EQUIP_SCREEN':
CODE/AMCCOMP.CON:6723: warning: found `else' with no `if'.
Including: CODE/AMCSCENE.CON (84002 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMCALLY.CON (155865 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMCDISP.CON (257916 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMCITEMS.CON (218983 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMC_OBJECTS.CON (75318 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMCINPUT.CON (112384 bytes)
Including: CODE/LENSFLARE.CON (5504 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMC_ZAX.CON (257352 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMC_MIKKO.CON (13103 bytes)
Found 2 warning(s), 0 error(s).
Script compiled in 1832ms, 8706480 bytes
AMC TC v3.0 Alpha
Out of memory in ???:0 (???)

[Danukem]

That sounds like the bug that was finally fixed in r7136

[Jblade]

various reasons mainly turned out to be that .alignto was removed as well as refresh_inventory (which never seemed to work for me anyways) As an aside, what would be the best way to set my own flags for a sector? I was using it to control stuff like low gravity or whatever. Could I just set my own cstat tags? (with the understanding that I'd have to update it whenever you guys add new tags yourself?)

just ignore this, I'm getting the error too now and not updating is biting me in the ass

[axl]

Just a question: what is the current status on polymost vs polymer ? I was under the impression that polymer was to completely replace polymost at one time or another ?

Are both renderers still worked on ?

[TerminX]

Polymost is being worked on and Polymer is not currently under development.

[VGA]

But Polymer has the nice lighting!

[Micky C]

VGA, on 16 December 2018 - 06:52 PM, said:

But Polymer has the nice lighting!

It’s not impossible that polymost can get dynamic lighting in the future now that they’ve moved away from the ancient OpenGL spec. They’re already using a shader for classic-like visibility. If a full Ion Maiden sequel is ever created, I’d like to see them use dynamic lights as it would create some product differentiation from the first.

I’m more concerned about polymost’s inferior TROR support myself. I’d be a happy man if it was on par with classic for that.

[necroslut]

Micky C, on 16 December 2018 - 07:23 PM, said:

I’m more concerned about polymost’s inferior TROR support myself. I’d be a happy man if it was on par with classic for that.

Yeah, it's the main thing holding Polymost back. TROR is an awesome feature with such potential, then it's a real shame that the only renderer fully supporting it (Polymer) is a mess in almost every other way...

[axl]

necroslut, on 16 December 2018 - 09:56 PM, said:

Yeah, it's the main thing holding Polymost back. TROR is an awesome feature with such potential, then it's a real shame that the only renderer fully supporting it (Polymer) is a mess in almost every other way...

Yet, polymer gives me far better results lately. Polymost gives me sudden freezes / stutters (apparently also noticed by some users in BloodGDX). Polymer just feels extremely smooth and loads everything far quicker...

[Danukem]

KKAP123, on 17 December 2018 - 04:27 PM, said:

Once upon a time everyone said dont use polymost. Or am I thinking of something else like polytex?

There has never been a time in the history of EDuke32 when everyone agreed on renderer choice, so you must be remembering that wrong.

[MusicallyInspired]

I remember whne polymost wasn't favoured for sure because it had the least authentic look at one point. That's probably not the case now with palette and shading/tinting enhancements? Or was that polymer only? People only used it for performance which was sometimes better than classic IIRC.

[Micky C]

MusicallyInspired, on 18 December 2018 - 09:05 AM, said:

I remember whne polymost wasn't favoured for sure because it had the least authentic look at one point. That's probably not the case now with palette and shading/tinting enhancements? Or was that polymer only? People only used it for performance which was sometimes better than classic IIRC.

Polymost did lag behind the other renderers a bit in terms of accurate shading colours. Although perhaps the guy was thinking of polymer (or "polytex" as he calls it...) not being recommended because it's so incredibly slow, and doesn't draw skyboxes correctly in maps with more than one sky.

[necroslut]

There was a time where it seemed the ambition was for Polymer to replace Polymost in time.

[Micky C]

necroslut, on 18 December 2018 - 11:57 PM, said:

There was a time where it seemed the ambition was for Polymer to replace Polymost in time.

Sure, what 10 years ago? Besides the artmapping feature (and not counting TROR), I don't think anything was added or changed much at all from shortly after the initial reveal.


The video at 2:27 is what I was talking about with the wrong sky showing. Polymer couldn't even show classic Duke 3D correctly everywhere, let alone show lots of lighting or large areas efficiently.

[3D Master]

Anyone seen the Quake 2 ray trace engine mod?

So... polyraytrace engine for eDuke32?

[MusicallyInspired]

That's what ICD has been working on for a while now. (see PolymerRTX thread)

[darkcaleb]

MusicallyInspired, on 18 November 2018 - 03:42 PM, said:

Is it 90 degrees only?

Could anyone answer this? And how does is it work i mean is it possible to rotate like creating example stairs to make it alligned?

[Danukem]

I've encountered a problem with saving and loading when using r7352 while testing Alien Armageddon. Unfortunately, I can't replicate it now, because it involved an old save that was overwritten, and I didn't save the log, either. Here's what happened: A played through the first level of DC, and while doing so, I saved several times, overwriting an old saved game from a previous version of the mod on a slot that I had named "TEST". The first time I saved, I manually selected and overwrote the save. On subsequent saves, I pressed F6 to quicksave. When I got to the second level, I noticed that the saved game message no longer appeared at the top of the screen when I pressed F6. I had not tried to load the save up to this point. So then I went into the save menu. Strangely, it was telling me that my "TEST" save was from a previous version, as if I had never overwritten it. Unfortunately, I don't remember what the mini-screenshot on the save showed. I left the save menu and tried pressing F6 again. This time it crashed the game and threw out some message about failing to save. Instead of looking at the log I immediately relaunched the game and loaded up E1L1. Sure enough, the "TEST" slot said it was from a previous version. This time in E1L1, I saved the game and overwrote the "TEST" slot. And this time, the save was not marked as a previous version any more and it worked fine.

EDIT: If the game were started using a command line that had supplied a game directory that doesn't exist, would that explain it? Maybe it was trying to quick save to the nonexistent game directory.

[NightFright]

Did I see correctly? Polymost now supports TROR as well since 7392? If so, then... WOW! Until now this has been a Polymer-only thing.

[oasiz]

Yup! It doesn't make it flawless but you can actually do a bit more with it than before, like actual holes in the ground (middle of a sector).
I didn't get enough time to test it proper yesterday but it definitely helps a ton in a lot of simpler cases.

Quick & dirty example in duke, before you would get weird glitching on the corners, best visible in mapster since ingame these are "null" and harder to spot (unless using stuff like skyboxes)

You can't really have TROR portals with different sizes exist on the same sector it seems but i.e. having 2 square "holes" (3 floors total) seems to work.

[Micky C]

Sounds intriguing. I've tried loading up a test map to see how improved it is, but mapster keeps giving me crashes when I try to enter 3D mode!

Here's the log: https://pastebin.com/raw/yZYkUd8g

It works for vanilla Duke, but not the AMC TC. It works for the AMC TC with the classic renderer, but not polymost.

Copying the map in question into vanilla Duke shows that it's still very buggy even though it's near flawless in classic. Assuming you guys want consistency across the renderers, there's still some way to go unfortunately.
Classic mode is both faster and less buggy in the below case. All the TROR portals are convex sectors, so there's nothing particularly special happening in the construction. I’m not sure what you mean by “TROR portals of different sizes in the same sector.”

[oasiz]

Like I said, we're only talking about a slight improvement here

For IM, it seems to work fine so far so I dunno about AMC..

[NightFright]

Polymost is definitely getting a lot of love these days. Recent snapshots improve it even further. If they manage to fix sky rendering, I may actually stop using the software renderer after all.

[axl]

Wooow, didn't know where to put this, but I LOVE the new shading effect for polymost in the latest versions of EDuke32 ! It's really reminiscent of software shading ! Excellent work !

[Micky C]

I quickly tried out the latest eduke. TROR seems almost perfect now in polymost (relative to classic)! The screenshot of the flying ship I posted earlier in the page now looks as it should. I'm seeing the occasional black triangles around the place, but perhaps that's a more general polymost issue as opposed to being TROR specific?

In some instances, polymost TROR is actually more glitch-free than classic. I'll post up some screenshot comparisons over the next day or so. Perhaps it's an opportunity to fix a classic TROR bug (a genuine visual bug, not arising from inappropriate TROR constructions)? Similarly, I've found at least one instance where polymost TROR is more glitchy than classic. Hopefully these issues can be resolved. If not, then at least the situation is 100x better than it was just a few weeks ago!

The classic-style shading is also very nice. When I first loaded up a map, I had to double check I was actually using polymost, it's so accurate. Although, I had imagined that it'd interpolate the shade table like polymer's shading does, as opposed to having discrete shade levels.

Unfortunately, polymost is still giving me about half the framerate of classic (21 fps vs 37fps) in some maps, purely resulting from the size and/or complexity of sector geometry. There's no voxels, massive use of transparency, or anything like that which would affect the framerate.

[MusicallyInspired]

I just played through the first episode with the newest build. Polymost looks great! There's some strange behaviour I've run into, though. Especially with pipebombs. I threw a pipebomb and it didn't land where I wanted it to so I went to pick it up but the game wouldn't let me and it just kept sliding (not bouncing) all around the room forever and I finally had to just detonate it. I think I may have run into an issue once or twice where an enemy clipped through a wall but I can't be sure of that yet. Also, in E1L2 it wouldn't let me get on the elevator behind the back room in the adult film shop. It blocked me about a foot or so away from it. I had to hug the wall to the left before it finally allowed me to pass through and enter the elevator.

[oasiz]

I've noticed that some island sectors clip other island sectors, however this works when viewed from the bottom instead from the top with polymost vs. classic where it glitches on both sides.

I'm really interested on pushing these to the limits and maybe Nuke.YKT can check if he is interested, he already did a huge favor for this one.

[Danukem]

 MusicallyInspired, on 19 March 2019 - 04:48 PM, said:

Also, in E1L2 it wouldn't let me get on the elevator behind the back room in the adult film shop. It blocked me about a foot or so away from it. I had to hug the wall to the left before it finally allowed me to pass through and enter the elevator.

I can confirm this. For me, I was able to enter it normally the first time, but after riding the elevator up and coming back down, it started blocking me as you described.

[The Battlelord]

And i thought i was drunk xD, then am not alone anymore, i've experienced more than this:




Excluding all of this, the polymer light effects looks very nice.