[LeoD]

TX, on Oct 23 2010, 03:26 AM, said:

Yeah, major performance improvements can and will happen in the future.

[Hendricks266]

I updated my building script to include the extra DLLs and the debug executables to reflect the changes Plagman has made to synthesis.

In the SVN, tiles.cfg should be moved out of the samples/ dir back into the directory above it. Everything else in samples/ is fine where it is.

I also wanted to pop in here and say that I'm taking a C++ programming class. It's been quite easy so far because of my experience with CON scripting. We're still doing really basic stuff, but I hope at some point to become an active developer of EDuke32.

[kenia]

i hope you will, but learning C / C++ is just the very first small step for doing so. Im programming since 6 years now (c++, java etc.) but I never had the time
or motivation to read through the source, too much code, too less motivation hope you are different to me

[Jimmy]

For the guy who was talking about the atmosphere of the game, I think turning texture filtering to Nearest also helps a lot.

[Helixhorned]

[Micky C]

Is that what I think it is? (by that I mean model collision detection)

[Stabs]

Blasphemy!!!!

[MusicallyInspired]

Progress!!!!

[Master Fibbles]

Lies!!!Pie!!!!

[ReaperMan]

Cheese Sticks!

[MusicallyInspired]

Cake!!!!

[The Commander]

http://forums.duke4.net/index.php?s=&s...ost&p=60975

[Danukem]

This new sprite clipping feature is very promising; probably the most significant development since Polymer. I haven't played with it yet but I have read the documentation. The idea is simple enough but some of the details confuse me.

One of the first things that comes to mind is that it should allow for multiple clipshape maps. Maybe the first must be named _clipshape_.map, but then it could look for others named _clipshape2_.map, etc. Hopefully members of the community will make a _clipshape_.map that covers all of the important sprites in the original tile set. Then modders can use that map and add other ones. We wouldn't want to modify the community _clipshape_.map with our custom sprites, because when the community map gets updated then we would have to do add back our custom clipshapes every time.

[Stabs]

thing is so damn cool, done 8 DNE cars already

so is the hitscan weapons a limitation for the moment or something that u cannot get around?

[Tea Monster]

Cake AND Pie

Wooooh-Hooooo!

[Stabs]

slight problem, with dummy tiles, i think its copying the clipping over to all sprites that have no clipping untill a break in the art

for example if i set a cop car at 5240 clipping and skip models 5241 - 5245 they will all have the same clipping untill they hit a new clip boundry or no art.

[The Commander]

I still can't even try it.
I keep getting this, even with revision 1720 (Fix crash. Reason was obsolete code.)

http://pastebin.com/FCKqCL1i

[Helixhorned]

DeeperThought, on Oct 29 2010, 07:29 AM, said:

I haven't played with it yet but I have read the documentation. The idea is simple enough but some of the details confuse me.

One of the first things that comes to mind is that it should allow for multiple clipshape maps. (...)

The docs aren't supposed to be understandable unless you've looked at the example map . I'll note the multiple clipmaps idea.

DanM, on Oct 29 2010, 11:20 AM, said:

so is the hitscan weapons a limitation for the moment or something that u cannot get around?

Nah, it's just that every function has its own quirks that need to get figured out before you can mess with them.

DanM, on Oct 29 2010, 12:31 PM, said:

slight problem, with dummy tiles, i think its copying the clipping over to all sprites that have no clipping untill a break in the art

for example if i set a cop car at 5240 clipping and skip models 5241 - 5245 they will all have the same clipping untill they hit a new clip boundry or no art.

It doesn't do anything automatically. Check the TANK sprite in the example map. You need to set a wall lo/hi-tag to a picnum range specify aliases for dummy tiles.

The Commander, on Oct 29 2010, 08:36 PM, said:

I still can't even try it.
I keep getting this, even with revision 1720 (Fix crash. Reason was obsolete code.)

http://pastebin.com/FCKqCL1i

Hm, I guess the commit was a bit premature. The control flow is rather involved (speak: spaghetti code) so something probably slipped through my attention. Until then, you could study how to set everything up without loading _clipshape_.map.

[Stabs]

k gotta it all worked out now, but one last thing to be sure, so a copcar is 5240, i set one wall in the sector that contains the cop car as lotag/hitag 5240 and do that to pretty much all my models, that code helps in spanning the tile over multiple frames?

[Helixhorned]

For normal usage you shouldn't have to edit anything because the .picnum sprite member of an animated sprite/actor is always the base picnum. The aliasing feature is present for two reasons: first, you could use some non-base tile as decoration so that the actor code won't run. Second, if you have models that look alike, you only need to create one clipping sector bunch for them. So, if picnums 1000 through 1010 are all different versions of the same type of car, you make one sector bunch, place a sprite with picnum 1000 in the middle of it and align it. Then, pick a wall from this bunch and set its lotag to 1001 and its hitag to 1010 and you have them all covered.

[The Commander]

I tried to make a sprite clip for my brick wall in Red Alert, works perfectly fine in Mapster. (no chrashes)
Yet, within one second of my map loaded and in game results in: http://pastebin.com/xTvqpPXN

It will be of very great use when it has been perfected as DanM currently knows how we both can make good use of this.

[TerminX]

Agreed, this is a great feature and I applaud Helixhorned for coming up with it. Very nice work. As for the bugs with it, lord knows every badass feature starts out as a big heap of glitches.

[Stabs]

Yes its totally changed mapping for me in a very good way, DNE feels so much more refined now, it dosnt feel clunky walking around models anymore, and the frame rate has picked up a bit now iam not using a ton of bounding sprites

think ive done about 50 models so far, iam actually nearly done

[Hendricks266]

I concur, this kicks major ass. Props to Helixhorned.

[Stabs]

my entire clipping map has corrupted for the 2nd time now, i have lost all the work i did this weekend now, it looks fine untill you paste it into another map, and then you delete all the corrupt secotrs and then all the sprites i have placed get deleted, is there anyway this can get fixed. no idea whats going on, it was working last time i tested it on both occasions before it corrupted.

 _clipshape_.zip (29.57K)
Number of downloads: 1088

[Danukem]

What happens if you paste only the older portions of the map instead trying to paste the whole thing into another map?

[Stabs]

done that before, deleted the screwed up sectors and start again kinda

really hesitant to even want to start doing it a 3rd time in case it happens again

[Helixhorned]

DanM, your clip maps aren't lost. They just have sprites with .sectnum<0 in them which Mapster32 isn't really secured against. You should be able to see and delete them in the new revision. This doesn't solve where they're coming from, though, so be on guard when they pop up!
A word about your map: the tags you have set are mostly (all?) redundant, aliasing is only needed if you have more than one base tile. Otherwise it's OK. Maybe you loaded the map in a way that your custom art wasn't loaded. In that case you wouldn't see the sprites in 3D mode but they're still around in 2D mode.

[Stabs]

Crysis averted, i actually had lebuild to delete those sprites but alas that didnt help, and yer ill be careful because that clipshape map still pastes funny into a new map, oh and the hitscan stuff is good too, is the sprite clip area that is hitscan also linked into the sprites health because cars blow up now from 2-3 shotgun shots now

[Helixhorned]

Hah, funny side effect. I didn't change anything in gameland though.