[The Commander]

WhiteZero, on Jan 11 2010, 08:12 AM, said:

Ya know what they say when you assume...

Who says the torrent he downloaded had anything from the retail Duke3D? Even if it did, you didn't bother to ask if he already owned the game before getting all anti-pirate protest happy. Seriously...

Why don't you look at the bigger picture.

[Ryan Cordell]

The Commander, on Jan 11 2010, 05:06 AM, said:

Why don't you look at the bigger picture.

It's a pretty picture, drawn by Leonardo Da Vinci.

And don't be such an ass, I know Siegler told me it was fine to get like additional copies of Duke 3D (eMule, torrent, you name it) as long as I had the original CD, which I still do. :/

[The Commander]

Ryan Cordell, on Jan 12 2010, 10:38 PM, said:

It's a pretty picture, drawn by Leonardo Da Vinci.

And don't be such an ass, I know Siegler told me it was fine to get like additional copies of Duke 3D (eMule, torrent, you name it) as long as I had the original CD, which I still do. :/

Even if thats true then I still don't see why people should be helped if they want to risk downloading a torrent with a bunch of mods etc that have a high chance of being out of date.

I also would dispute what Joe "apparently" told you.

[Tea Monster]

Welcome back Zilp! The new model looks good. The only thing I'd say is that on the behind shot, the top of the jet pack looks a bit strange.

I've been nagging to find out when they are going to apply the new features to models. No news yet.

Z-Brush rocks!

[atlas]

are thre any other servers for the polymer preview hrp v4.2.054 download? the hrp link isnt working too well for me.

[RPD Guy]

OMG! VERY NICE WORK!
i do maps in mapster (some years ago was called ''MAP MASTER'') when i am six years old!
i have 15 years now!
ok lets go!
i make 10 or 15 parallax textures, but i have problems to make the ''specular and diffuse or displenciment''!
i only did ''normal''
i need help! some one can help me?
PS: I am BRAZILIAN

[Spiker]

Dk2, on Jan 21 2010, 09:26 PM, said:

OMG! VERY NICE WORK!
i do maps in mapster (some years ago was called ''MAP MASTER'') when i am six years old!
i have 15 years now!
ok lets go!
i make 10 or 15 parallax textures, but i have problems to make the ''specular and diffuse or displenciment''!
i only did ''normal''
i need help! some one can help me?
PS: I am BRAZILIAN

Are you sure you know what you are talking about? Mapster has nothing to do with these specular, etc textures.

[RPD Guy]

you must be right, but in the texture folder, there are some textures that has three images
different.
Examples: 0743.png
0743_n.png and ''0743_s.png''
the''crazy bump'' (tool to use to create my textures with parallax) I took this ''_s'' as specular, and the document text
"textures.txt" along with this texture is called ''specular'' next.
If the textures do not have the ''specular'' they only have the parallax effect when there are lights on you
same, without lights, without parallax.
you've got to understand me? I'm not good in English

[VinsaneOne]

Haven't recorded a demo in a while and was using Yang at the time of this one and noticed this.



Any way to control or disable that playback bar that I never saw before?

I don't know if it's an EDuke32, Yang or HRP thing so, sorry if this is in the wrong place!

[The Commander]

It's an EDuke32 feature, I don't remember the controls for it though. If there are any there is.

[Helixhorned]

Yep, TAB will do it.

[VinsaneOne]

The Commander, on Jan 23 2010, 02:10 AM, said:

It's an EDuke32 feature, I don't remember the controls for it though. If there are any there is.

Helixhorned, on Jan 23 2010, 03:11 PM, said:

Yep, TAB will do it.

Thanks guys!

[Plagman]

Tea Monster, on Jan 13 2010, 04:56 AM, said:

I've been nagging to find out when they are going to apply the new features to models. No news yet.

Normal mapping should now work on models.
http://dukeworld.duk.../20100123-1594/

I don't have a normal map that matches an existing skinned model to test it, but it looks somewhat correct judging from the weird combinations I tried, eg:

[Stabs]

marvelous

explosive scrotum's

seriously, good work tho

[Micky C]

Amazing stuff. I don't care how many bugs polymer has, with that and if lights and when lighting can be applied to HUD models, the game is going to look almost completely modern

[The Commander]

lol, thats what I tried my first normal map on, looks about the same.
Just using crazybump though.

[High Treason]

Allow me to yell "Wooooooohooooooo!" at the top of my voice, that's f**king awesome! I think I know what I'll doing today, playing with that.

[Spiker]

I'm waiting to see some characters with normal maps! Awesome.

[Roma Loom]

I hope Tea Monster has something to show us related to Alien Queen, and hope Zilppuri will release his trooper soon

[gt1750]

That's great news! Can't wait to see normalmapped enemies and babes

[Mark]

I'll bet Tea Monster kissed his family goodbye and is in his computer room with the door locked, the phone off the hook and a pot of black coffee on the desk.

[Sobek]

I quickly tested it, and it works perfectly. Thanks Plagman

[zilp]

Plagman, on Jan 24 2010, 09:08 AM, said:

Normal mapping should now work on models.
http://dukeworld.duk.../20100123-1594/

Silly question.. how do I define a normal map file in .def?

[Roma Loom]

zilp, on Jan 24 2010, 05:05 PM, said:

Silly question.. how do I define a normal map file in .def?

should be like texture definition:

texture 258 {
pal 0 { file "highres/textures/0258.png" }
normal { file "highres/textures/0258_n.png" parallaxbias 0.0 parallaxscale 0.1 }
specular { file "highres/textures/0258_s.png" }
glow { file "highres/textures/0258_g.png" }
}

Hope you'll figure it up quickly.

[Parkar]

Plagman, on Jan 24 2010, 08:08 AM, said:

Normal mapping should now work on models.
http://dukeworld.duk.../20100123-1594/

I don't have a normal map that matches an existing skinned model to test it, but it looks somewhat correct judging from the weird combinations I tried, eg:

Awesome, I think I need to take a break from my UDK game and finish the Pig Cop I got started on.

[zilp]

Hmm.. I've been having some problems with the model coming out too shiny. It seems that the model is never shaded to black, but instead just brightened on places where light hits it.

But I will look into it.

So does the alpha channel in normalmap control the shinyness of the model?
And does anyone know if the color channels in the normal map map 1:1 to those used in Blender generated normal maps?

UPDATE:

Here is a screenshot:



You can see there is really high specularity (I have no spec map set yet), and that there is no actual shading on the model.
It even seems like the model is still taking the light from the floor and then the dynamic lights are just added on top of that..

Am I doing something wrong?

I can upload the model here, although it is otherwise buggy too (I haven't remade the animations to match the new mesh).

[Roma Loom]

Normal maps generated by Blender may have flipped X or Y axis or even both, or may not. You should experiment with that. Either through Blender's normal map baking setup or inverting thje Green or the Red channel of your normalmap in photoshop or gimp. The alpha channel of normalmap represents the depth (parallax mapping effect) - the darker the lower.

[Plagman]

You're right that the model is going to get flat shaded depending on its BUILD shade. This is essentially the ambient component when rendering with Polymer. If you want to start from complete darkness, do a test room and shade it very dark.
Also, note that you don't need a specular map to specify the specular material of your model. Just setting "specpower" and "specfactor" in the diffuse map definition will allow you to make your model less shiny. The specular map is just for tweaking that per-pixel.

[Plagman]

Oh, and I forgot to mention that this is not going to work correctly if you're using mirrored UV. Not sure if the new liztroop is using it, but since I know the old one is I thought I'd mention that. Any vertex that's shared by two triangles that don't have the same UV handedness will cause artifacts. I'm not sure whether it should be the artist responsibility to duplicate these vertices to create a seam in the mesh along the UV mirror or if the model postprocessor should automagically patch it up when loading it in EDuke32.

[Sobek]

I was just testing out that latest Synthesis build with model normal map support on my work PC, and while eDuke32 works just fine, Mapster crashes if I try to switch to 3d mode while running with either the Polymer or Polymost renderer. Software (8bit) appears to work fine...

The log shows everything loading like normal, it just bails out at 'Initializing Polymer Subsystem...' with nothing after that. In the case of Polymost, the log just stops after 'Cache Contains xxxxxx bytes of Garbage Data'.

I've tried deleting my configs and letting them be recreated just in case (I normally do this anyway) but so far no luck.