[ryche]

Don't know if anyone posted this yet but:

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LOL.. thats soo funny people think that.. I was at 3drealm almost exactly 2 years. a lot of the staff were under 3 years. I took the job because if any company on the planet needed help finishing a game, 3d realms did, and we ALMOST pulled it off. In 2 years of being there, we were able to take this convoluted mess and make it into a badass game. I wish the world would have seen it to realize how cool and fun it was. The team we had was fantastic. But, no one will ever know...

from the comments section of this page

Shame.

[Sangman]

About the cubeblue stuff (for some reason I can't post on the main comments page):

"My bro has submitted resumes and setup a portfolio site. He's making calls."

How does he (cubeblue) get this info? I doubt he follows his brother 24/7.

[Redcard]

 Sangman, on May 10 2009, 02:41 PM, said:

About the cubeblue stuff (for some reason I can't post on the main comments page):

"My bro has submitted resumes and setup a portfolio site. He's making calls."

How does he (cubeblue) get this info? I doubt he follows his brother 24/7.

Maybe.. his brother fucking talked to him?

Seriously. I talk to my family, too. Believe it or not, we actually communicate.

And given that he's actually played a beta of the game, I imagine he and his brother are close/live together/near each other/etc.

[Sangman]

Why assume that his brother told the truth? Maybe he's just lying to his brother for a while now just to pull of the biggest prank in the history of the internet.



"Everybody lies"

[dalbrech]

Anybody who thinks this is a publicity stunt or viral marketing is reaching new levels of denying reality.
Think about it: You have just fooled the industy and hobby press into thinking you are out of business. Then you come out and say "All a Hoax! Ha Ha!" Congratulation, you have just made yourself the #1 target of every reporter and writer covering the Gaming industry. They resent being fooled , and now they will REALLY be out to get you, and, to be frank, they considered DNF to be something of a joke before.
And let's not even talk about the fan anger. Fact is, a lot of the Duke Fanbase lost hope a long time ago. We have the hardcore here, folks. I pretty much lost interest when, in 2003, after getting people excited with the stuff at E3 in 2001, they pretty much announced "Back To Square One, folks". I am now mainly interested because I just want to see in detail how such a fiasco could have happened>

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Plus, I'm sure the general outlook of the economy didn't help and then, to be fair, what credibility did 3DR have left after promising for years? As the other fellow said, even if it looked like they were so close, how could anyone be sure someone wouldn't make a dumb move and decide start over again or whatever.

That's the bottom line: 3dR had no creditbility left in the business community. How did they know that
3DR was not just lying again when they said they needed"just another 5 Million dollars" to finish the game?

I am sad because Duke Nukem 3d is one of my favorite games, but not surprised it ended like this.

[Sangman]

Maybe that's part of the point, to make sure that the announcement of DNF won't ever be forgotten by having a huge hoax + controversy around it.

[Ramen4ever]

"another 5 mil"
are you implying they got money from take 2 before? because I don't recall any statement along those lines at all.

[Jimmy]

I'd be less angry if it was all a hoax. Hell, that means I get me some DNF action.

[Redcard]

The fact that people actually think this is a prank.. a hoax..

That people actually think it is not beyond the ownership of this company to fire or pretend to fire an entire office worth of people..

Doesn't that say something about this company? Like how unprofessional they are?

[Kathy]

 ryche, on May 11 2009, 01:39 AM, said:

Don't know if anyone posted this yet but:

from the comments section of this page

Shame.

This is sad. It was 2006.

[Sangman]

 Redcard, on May 11 2009, 12:11 AM, said:

The fact that people actually think this is a prank.. a hoax..

That people actually think it is not beyond the ownership of this company to fire or pretend to fire an entire office worth of people..

Doesn't that say something about this company? Like how unprofessional they are?

Oh definitely they will get flak over this if it turns out to be a hoax and it would indeed be a low blow. That doesn't mean it can't be true, though.

[Redcard]

 Sangman, on May 10 2009, 03:17 PM, said:

Oh definitely they will get flak over this if it turns out to be a hoax and it would indeed be a low blow. That doesn't mean it can't be true, though.

So who do you think would work for George after this? A hoax of this size would get noticed by everyone. Would you work for the man who fired everyone in the middle of a recession for a few extra pages of press?

Hell, man, just announcing it'd gone gold and having an open beta would get more press than a bullshit "quitting" and then coming back at a convention you said was "bullshit trailers"

[Sangman]

 Redcard, on May 11 2009, 12:23 AM, said:

A hoax of this size would get noticed by everyone

There you have it.

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Hell, man, just announcing it'd gone gold and having an open beta would get more press than a bullshit "quitting" and then coming back at a convention you said was "bullshit trailers"

I'm not sure if it would.

[Redcard]

 Sangman, on May 10 2009, 03:27 PM, said:

I'm not sure if it would.

I am.

Here's why I am.

If this is a hoax, George would need some method of selling it, right? Some method of distribution. None of the distribution networks have heard of it.

If it's a hoax, and he says "It'll be out soon! I promise".. what the hell do you think people would say? OHHHH, there's some honesty from George, right? "Oh, thank God, it really is going to be out soon."

No way. Money talks, bullshit walks. The only way people would fall for his crap again is if he walked out with a beta. Even if he announces it's a hoax any time soon, if he doesn't have the box of the game that he just picked off the store shelf, the industry will laugh, shrug, and say "Whatever, George."

An open beta, though.. that changes it all. That makes things FAR different. That can't be denied.

So why fire everyone, claim you're closing your doors, and talk about your distributor _WHO YOU'RE CONTRACTED TO_ screwing you over.. when you can get far further with an open beta and a "gone gold" release?

BOTH would get the same attention. One just makes alienates everyone, and one excites everyone.

[Sangman]

Judging from the positive response to the newly released material I'd say most customers are more than prepared to forget about George's past nonsense.

The method of selling? Wouldn't that be Take2? Sure 3DR and Take2 might not be on speaking terms right now but if the game is done they would send it to Take2, would they not? Who would then start selling it and start to receive money?

Who cares about what "the industry" would think? The only things that are important are 3D Realms, Take2 and the game.

[Jimmy]

I agree with Sang. Fuck the industry, this is the same industry that releases the same shitty Halo re-hash each damn year.

The only games I'm looking forward to / was looking forward to is / was Ghostbusters and DNF.

[Redcard]

 Sangman, on May 10 2009, 02:38 PM, said:

Judging from the positive response to the newly released material I'd say most customers are more than prepared to forget about George's past nonsense.

The method of selling? Wouldn't that be Take2? Sure 3DR and Take2 might not be on speaking terms right now but if the game is done they would send it to Take2, would they not? Who would then start selling it and start to receive money?

Who cares about what "the industry" would think? The only things that are important are 3D Realms, Take2 and the game.

You really think, after all this animosity.. after all this BS.. that take2 would really push to sell this game? You think they'd buy endcap space at best buy and other stores?

I bet they slap an AO sticker on it, sell it only direct, and assign some junior level marketing exec to do the work.

Not on speaking terms is one thing, but openly lying and misleading the people who are supposed to sell your product.. they might just not CARE.

[Ramen4ever]

Because when you having publishing rights to a game that is bound to make money. The best move is to simply not care.

....riiight.

[razgriz]

I've accepted the terms and now, I only have Duke Nukem Trilogy for the PSP to be our only answer.

[Redcard]

 Ramen4ever, on May 10 2009, 04:24 PM, said:

Because when you having publishing rights to a game that is bound to make money. The best move is to simply not care.

....riiight.

Take2 has PLENTY of games to sell.

And yes, it's already quite clear that politics have been at play here. Right now, T2 would just like to break even, I'd imagine, and not ever sign a contract with G again. I don't think they really CARE if it sells well or not.. since they know full well that the way it's been done, future contracts won't exist with 3dr.

It wouldn't be the first time a good movie/game/book got submarined by a contractual party who is just done with one of the parties involved.

[Ramen4ever]

Did they even sign a contract with George? I thought Take2 got the rights because of the other companies they've purchased. Which would be a possible explanation for why they wouldn't care that much. It's just a contract that came with the deal. Not all the contracts matter. Though only fools would simply abandon a potential product that's not pre-production and actually has some work done on it. Give em the money while hammering out some demands. What would have been wrong with that?

[ultra tree 85!]

Was it ever confirmed that Take-Two verbally promised George the money? If they made a verbal contract with 3D Realms then maybe George can sue them for the five million dollars.

[Ramen4ever]

I don't think there was any "money" between em. Take 2 had publishing rights. Doesn't mean they gotta give 3dr or George a single cent. Which is why publishing rights are "sweet" deals for the publishers. Sit back and profit. Except not in this case. no release = no money.

[Dark Agent]

 Captain Awesome, on May 10 2009, 04:49 PM, said:

I agree with Sang. Fuck the industry, this is the same industry that releases the same shitty Halo re-hash each damn year.

I think your mixing Halo up with the Call of Duty franchise, because there have only been 4 Halo games in the past 8 years.

Yes DNF looks great, yes it is sad that it may never see the light of day, but the fact of the matter is that it's 3D Realms fault to begin with.

The game was freaking announced when I was Nine years old, and I'm Twenty One now.

[ultra tree 85!]

 Ramen4ever, on May 10 2009, 05:43 PM, said:

I don't think there was any "money" between em. Take 2 had publishing rights. Doesn't mean they gotta give 3dr or George a single cent. Which is why publishing rights are "sweet" deals for the publishers. Sit back and profit. Except not in this case. no release = no money.

But if they indicated that they were going to give George the money then he might be able to argue in court that they had an agreement and lots of jobs were depending on it. If I were George and a company promised me money and then backed out at the last second, I'd sue them for everything they had. Personally, I'd like to see Take-Two go under at this point. I'm not all that happy with anyone who could have done something to save the project but instead let it die. I hope Take-Two and its shareholders lose everything.

[Jimmy]

 Dark Agent, on May 10 2009, 08:48 PM, said:

I think your mixing Halo up with the Call of Duty franchise, because there have only been 4 Halo games in the past 8 years.

Yes DNF looks great, yes it is sad that it may never see the light of day, but the fact of the matter is that it's 3D Realms fault to begin with.

The game was freaking announced when I was Nine years old, and I'm Twenty One now.

You missed my point completely, my point is that all modern games look and play the same. They also tend to suck. Hence - Halo Rehash.

[deltaphc]

Psh. All games ever made are just extremely elaborate rehashes of Pong.

[Dark Agent]

 Captain Awesome, on May 10 2009, 06:31 PM, said:

You missed my point completely, my point is that all modern games look and play the same. They also tend to suck. Hence - Halo Rehash.

Not every shooter plays the same as all the rest, Halo, Bioshock, Prey, etc. Those games play differently than all the other FPS games being released like Call Of Duty, Rainbow Six, etc.

DNF looked promising, but to be honest, I'm surprised it lasted this long.

[Betelgeuse]

I'm not good at knowing much about this sort of thing, but since 3DR is dead or "dying" who own's or will own DNF? or is just no ones after this? who or what group of people would make the decision to pass it on to another developer to finish it? (sorry if this sounds like a stupid question, i am just curious)

[NonSequitur]

 Dark Agent, on May 11 2009, 11:53 AM, said:

Not every shooter plays the same as all the rest, Halo, Bioshock, Prey, etc. Those games play differently than all the other FPS games being released like Call Of Duty, Rainbow Six, etc.

DNF looked promising, but to be honest, I'm surprised it lasted this long.

What the Duke Nukem franchise has, or had, that no other shooters have is a sense of humor. There really hasn't been anything like Duke Nukem 3D ever since it was released - we've all been waiting for DNF to fill that gap. Duke is the amalgamation of every 80's action hero, then turned up to 11... The environments were realistic and interactive, filled with injokes, brilliantly designed... Can you remember how amazing those levels were back in 1996... how much of a breath of fresh air the sci-fi/horror/comedy/action in a CITY was? I can still run through those levels and have a blast. Duke Nukem is the anti-thesis to the sort of games we get year in year out nowadays. Now, that's not to say I don't enjoy Bioshock, or Call of Duty and all of those sorts of games, but dark, brooding, serious games and war games become a bit tiring after a while. You need something like Duke to balance it all out. Unfortunately, now we'll never get that.