[MetHy]

Laokin, on 20 May 2014 - 04:58 AM, said:

Aren't you contradicting yourself right now?

You're saying "Punk is about doing anything you want, except if you want to do x,y,z -- because if that's what you want to do -- you're not punk."

Also you seem clueless about punk, which is why you actually made the above statement... What is "Punk" has changed so much since it's inception, and TRUE punk is now considered "Not punk" -- The NY Dolls are the fathers of Punk music and literally zero "punk" music of today is anything like the NY Dolls. Punk was just mediocre musicians that didn't have good vocalists -- yet they played anyway because they enjoyed it -- they survived because their shows were fun, because they'd do other entertaining things while on stage as well as get members of the audience to partake in things they otherwise wouldn't do. People never went to punk shows because of the music -- the music WAS BY DEFAULT terrible, because they were all flunkee musicians that didn't give a fuck that they sucked. Just take a look at the Ramones.... Also, that visual style IS punk in terms of aesthetics, shaved half head, spikes, cut off pant leg, metal bra, bandoilers.... It's like something straight out of mad max.... When you measure if someone is "truly" punk, are you really saying "She's got spikes on, that's punk -- wait, let me inspect the spikes, oh they are dull... YOU'RE NOT PUNK!" ????

That IS punk. The whole "style" you're adopting -- promoting -- criticizing is NOT punk -- because the essence of PUNK is to be JUDGED NOT, rather than be judged, the essence of PUNK is to NOT judge, yet you're judging... It doesn't matter if you purchase something from hot topic or made it yourself, it's the visual aesthetic that makes it punk, not the brand behind it.

In other words, punk isn't what you wear, but HOW you wear it -- punk isn't a look, it's a lifestyle -- Bombshell fits this motif perfectly and if you disagree, it's you who doesn't know punk. The line at the end of the trailer about taking a rocket to the neck -- that's punk, the line was terrible, she delivered it anyway and just laughed about how terrible it was...

That's literally the essence of PUNK.

I wouldn't bothering answering to a self proclaimed "punk expert" who can't name good european punk bands.

[Laokin]

Mickey C, on 20 May 2014 - 03:37 AM, said:

I simply change the hair colour, and ask that she not be completely pissed off 100% of the time pointlessly, and you say my version sucks?

Then you go ahead and criticize everyone else for voicing their own preference on her opinion? That's being a bit hypocritical dude.

And on the source material, everyone with eyes can see that the inspiration is those two other black-hair shaved chicks. Your explanation with tank girl is basically "X is inspired by Y, except for this, this, this, and everything else." At least as far as appearance is concerned.

You changed the hair to "Normal person" hair and put on a jacket to cover up her belly and scars on her chest. You miss the point of the design completely.

And it doesn't take rocket science to see bombshell is based on tank girl -- even the voice actor they got for her talks like fucking tank girl. They gave tank girl a robot arm. That the only deviation in design. Throughout time Tank Girl has has red hair, black hair, brown hair, blonde hair, purple hair, pink hair, multi colored hair..... She's had the side shaved or had short hair, or shaved the whole thing with the exception of a single lock. It's not like Tank girls hair was always the same. It's clearly the same design -- even down to the belt, Bombshells says "Short Fuse" tankgirls says "TANKGIRL." You'd have to be blind to not see they are 99.999% identical in terms of design.



Watch the Tankgirl movie trailer and tell me it's not obvious, they even both have the dull spiked collars....

It's clear that while Duke is based on Arnold, Bombshell is based on Lori Petty.

I also didn't criticize anyone. I simply showed that the "original concepts" for bombshell weren't the original concepts, and that the final design was in fact true to the original concepts. It's also not criticizing for me to say that bombshell is SATIRE, so she's BASED on other characters, while everyone is saying "She's not ORIGINAL" when she CAN'T be original if she's supposed to be SATIRE.

That's me correcting their MISTAKE. Not criticizing opinions.

And again, your version, not only changes the hair, but also adds a stupid jacket that covers up the only elements that make her look like a true blood in blood out bad ass -- again, it misses the point of the character completely, this is because your EXPECTATION of the character is incorrect, because you're not familiar enough with the actual character, OR, it's source material.

[Laokin]

MusicallyInspired, on 20 May 2014 - 05:01 AM, said:

It's not that Interceptor created a new brand and can do whatever they want with it, it's that they claim she is hardcore 80s inspired like Duke was and I just don't see it.

And I do seem to remember something about Bombshell being copyrghted at one point and it being expired before DNF went to Gearbox.

Watch the movie tank girl, then watch a shit load of grindhouse action movies from the 70's and 80's [and even the Tarantino/Rodriquez double feature Grindhouse, that was supposed to be a throw back to 70s and 80s drive in action movies] and you'll see it. The thing is, you've seen a shit load of Arnold movies, but you probably can't name any action movies from that era that starred women lead characters. That'd be the only reason you "can't" see it.

The only 2 that probably jump out at everyone is "Alien" and "Terminator" but those starred contemporary women, women that were toned back -- they were the 2 movies that "got" it right -- therefor, they aren't really suitable for satire, since there is really zero flaws in Sarah Connor and Ellen Ripley's characters in terms of terrible action movie tropes.

In other words, that'd be like basing Duke Nukem on Rick Deckard from Blade Runner. It's just not suited for comedy because it's not an over the top character. Sarah Connors nor Ellen Ripley were "Over the top."

Now basing it off Lori Petty makes a ton of sense -- so that's what they did.... Keep it sexy, make it bad ass, because tank girl is an UNBELIEVABLE character that is so over the top and cheesy that it's easy to poke fun at -- it poked fun at itself, at the same time taking itself completely seriously. This is why Duke Forever sucked and Duke 3D rocked -- even though 3D made fun of itself, it still took itself seriously, whereas everything in forever was a joke, the game thought itself was a joke, we see that in the opening segment where duke is playing Duke Nukem 3D. Tankgirl is a great target for satire. It's also a character that LIVES in the realm of shitty one liners... just like Duke's source material did.... Because Bombshell is going to be spouting off shitty one liners too.... Money says when the game comes out, she'll have lines that come straight out of the Tankgirl movie..... Just like some of Duke's came straight out of Evil Dead.

[Laokin]

MrGlasses, on 16 May 2014 - 11:59 PM, said:

RoTT had two biggest problem. Performance was absolutely crap and most of the map have barely any room to maneuver, consider the player movement speed. Let's hope Bombshell isn't gonna suffer any of those.

As for people complaining about Top Down view, I don't think it's bad at all. TD view games can work extremely well if you provide incredible easy to use editor(I mean very easy to use editor that even 10 yrs old kid can master it in just few days), co-op, plentiful action and difficult combat. Good example? Look at Tapan Kaikki game. Easy editor, Co-op, plentiful action and difficult combat.

Performance is kick ass, runs at over 100 fps on my rig and doesn't ever drop, it's literally the BEST performing game I own from this time frame -- They fixed the performance issues in the first patch. Compare that to games like Diablo that still don't run for shit on most computers and suffer drops down to 0 fps on i7's GTX680 2gb machines with 12gbs of ram, or to games like Battlefield 4 that are still broken 2 years after release, or to pretty much any game ea/activision/ubisoft ever put out?

This seems like a jaded complaint that is no longer true, and hasn't been since patch 1.

And the level design, well -- chalk that up to them doing an amazing job at being true to the original. Most parts of the levels were identical rips of the original game, the movement speed too -- this is what people wanted, although -- I played that game through non-stop and beat the shit out of it and never once felt like the levels were "too small" or cramped....

I accept that that's your opinion, but it's also important to note that the original was like this, and in all regards RoTT2013 was extremely true to the original. Whether you like this or not seems irrelevant to the quality of the game.... It may not have been the game for you, but the game most definitely didn't suck by any standard. [Rott has pretty great reviews, but they are indeed polarizing, it's a love it or hate it game, but the user score on metacritic is 70/100 or 4.0/5 or 70% despite the fact that people were attempting to wreck it's average by voting it 1/100....

Sooo, that's a pretty solid game.

[Forge]

Laokin, on 20 May 2014 - 04:58 AM, said:

Punk was just mediocre musicians that didn't have good vocalists

self-produced garage rock has little to do with talent quality. good or bad

Laokin, on 20 May 2014 - 04:58 AM, said:

-- The NY Dolls are the fathers of Punk music

stop getting your information off wikipedia

edit: i'm glad we have an authority on the subject of tank girl on hand, but i think that "look" has an earlier origin

[Person of Color]

Sounds like it's nice up there.

[Laokin]

Protected by Viper, on 20 May 2014 - 06:44 AM, said:

Sounds like it's nice up there.

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Real cute. Always when people get talked into a corner they come out with the insults. Did I insult you? Did I call you names or attack your character?

You don't like what I have to say, that's fine -- but it's more constructive to say why, and to which parts, rather than resorting to ad hominem character attacks that really don't mean dick without context....

[Laokin]

Forge, on 20 May 2014 - 06:02 AM, said:

self-produced garage rock has little to do with talent quality. good or bad


stop getting your information off wikipedia

edit: i'm glad we have an authority on the subject of tank girl on hand, but i think that "look" has an earlier origin

I didn't get my information off wikipedia, but if that's what wikipedia says, it's happens to be true. If you contest that to be true, how about you address the statement with what you feel is the more appropriate correction... That's how conversation works.

That's like saying that KRS-1 and the Sugar Hill Gang aren't the father figures of Rap/Hip Hop. That's like saying that Elvis isn't the King of Rock n Roll, or that B.B. King wasn't a legendary blues player..... Or that the Beatles weren't the legends of Popular Rock....

Secondly, I never said the "look" originated with Tankgirl. Apparently you're failing this whole conversation thing, because you don't understand how to respond, or comprehend.... soooo I'll say it again;

Bombshell is clearly based on Tankgirl, not just even her look, but her banter and overall attitude as well... You see, Tankgirl was a movie in the 90's, it was cheesy as fuck and had it's styling based off movies from the 80's. Bombshell is a satire character in the exact same vein Duke Nukem was, and in that regard, their characters are based on CHEESY ACTION MOVIE HERO characters.

Yeah, Arnold didn't originate the tough guy bad ass all american chiseled jaw, jeans and a tank look either.... This doesn't stop Duke from being based off him and his cheesy ass movies and one liners. It's not just the look Duke borrowed, it's the attitude, the banter, the entire character is just a satire version of one of Arnold's action movie characters.

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self-produced garage rock has little to do with talent quality. good or bad

Right, it doesn't, but self-produced garage rock has little to do with the genre of rock you're playing, whether it be metal/scream-o or alternative/Dave Matthews style... None of those are punk, because they require skill to play. Real punk music is really simple beats, with really simple chords, with really simple transitions, with really simple lyrics, with really simple delivery of said lyrics.



It's the most simple and talentless music to play -- the singers can't even hold notes....

If your punk has complicated guitar solo's in it, it's not punk music, if it has people who can sing really difficult songs, it's not punk music.

You can't compare any popular punk band with any other band that has singers that can actually sing, or guitarists that can solo faces off, because the punk bands can do neither of those two things. As far back as you go, to the most current, this is always true. And remember "Blondie" was "Punk" music too -- Check out how similar sunday girl is to the ramones or the NY Dolls.... Punk music EXCLUSIVELY had it's origin's in the CBGB club in Manhattan NY. 1973. Money says you weren't alive then -- but I grew up in NYC, and considering that it's about the biggest city in the world for famous musicians and the birth of genre styles, it's pretty much impossible to grow up there without learning the history of places like the CBGB or The Tunnel/Hip Hop Mecca.

Take a band like Blink 182, which IS punk, whether you want to "accept" it as punk or not, and look at them today. They don't exist, because they are talentless hacks -- the one that's still busy getting gigs is Travis Barker, because this man HAS SUPER talent, but was playing "Punk" because it was popular. That fad came and went, and not even skateboarders are listening to it anymore....

Punk music isn't really played on the radio today, or listened to by people who understand music -- it's listened to by scene kids, kids that are conditioned to think it's cool because everyone else hates it. It's that, Gothic -- I'm different, but we're all the same, mentality.... It's whole motif is "we don't want to be like you" and the reason it IS that way, is because they CAN'T be like other artists, because they aren't physically good enough....

This is how those different "cliques" form. You have the successful/beautiful/talented kids, and everyone else is a reject from that core group, they then seek to find where they fit in, and they notice they fit in with the misfits. They are misfits for a reason. This is the exact reason the punk band the Misfits is actually even called the Misfits.

The more you know.

[Forge]

Laokin, on 20 May 2014 - 07:21 AM, said:

I didn't get my information off wikipedia, but if that's what wikipedia says, it's happens to be true. If you contest that to be true, how about you address the statement with what you feel is the more appropriate correction... That's how conversation works.

MC5 (and several other bands ) pre-date NY Dolls. so you're completely wrong and spreading mis-information

Laokin, on 20 May 2014 - 07:21 AM, said:

If your punk has complicated guitar solo's in it, it's not punk music, if it has people who can sing really difficult songs, it's not punk music.
You can't compare any popular punk band with any other band that has singers that can actually sing, or guitarists that can solo faces off, because the punk bands can do neither of those two things. As far back as you go, to the most current, this is always true.

and generalizing all Punk as being talentless blasting noise is also a load of crap

Laokin, on 20 May 2014 - 07:21 AM, said:

Bombshell is clearly based on Tankgirl, not just even her look, but her banter and overall attitude as well...

this is complete assumption that "attitude", "banter", and "look" were originated with tank girl.



clearly everything you are saying is complete opinion and baseless. i don't strive to have "intelligent" conversations with people who obviously don't use facts to back up their empty claims. When someone perceives themselves as some kind of subject matter expert and honestly believe everything they spout is nothing but the truth; i will rub it in their face that they're wrong, but let them figure out where they're making their mistakes. How else are these super-smart above everyone else clowns going to learn?

Laokin, on 20 May 2014 - 07:21 AM, said:

Punk music EXCLUSIVELY had it's origin's in the CBGB club in Manhattan NY. 1973. Money says you weren't alive then --

more complete mis-information. Punk was in Detroit well before NYC.
Money also says you're wrong.
more baseless assumptions and guesswork from our subject matter expert
quit while you're behind

[Laokin]

Forge, on 20 May 2014 - 07:44 AM, said:

MC5 (and several other bands ) pre-date NY Dolls. so you're completely wrong and spreading mis-information


and generalizing all Punk as being talentless blasting noise is also a load of crap


this is complete assumption. that "attitude", "banter", and "look" were originated with tank girl.



clearly everything you are saying is complete opinion and baseless. i don't strive to have "intelligent" conversations with people who obviously don't use facts to back up their empty claims. When someone perceives themselves as some kind of subject matter expert and honestly believe everything they spout is nothing but the truth; i will rub it in their face that they're wrong, but let them figure out where they're making their mistakes. How else are these super-smart above everyone else clowns going to learn?


more complete mis-information. Punk was in Detroit well before NYC.
Money also says you're wrong.
more baseless assumptions and guesswork from our subject matter expert
quit while you're behind

First of all, I'm not behind. second of all -- I'm still right. They didn't base Bombshell on "Punk Bands from the 70's" they based her off Cheesy Action Hero Movie Characters from the 80's and 90's cinema. This is NOT an assumption, interceptor said so in their own interview. When looking at female cheesy action hero characters, there are seldom any that are as close in the entire design as tankgirl. Fighting this is making you look silly, because you're trying to say they based their design on Punk music bands, when they said themselves they based it on 80's and 90's CINEMA.

Secondly, no -- just -- no. Detroit didn't have it's spring up of punk music until the LATE 70's almost 80's. Punk music wasn't even a thing until 1973/4, and had it's very first outings at the CBGB in 1973. The CBGB was originally intended for Country, BlueGrass, and Blues but the bands that turned out to play were the Ramones/misfits/television. I also didn't say again, that the NY Dolls were the originators of Punk music, I did however say that they were it's Father Figures... they were the most popular Punk band next to the Ramones -- we're talking all time, and they were the ones that made it BIG.


The Motor City Five were NOT a punk band, the punk scene actually refers to them as PROTOPUNK, which was a retroactive label, at the time it was considered hard rock, it was still real musicians, but the quality bar was lowered by the introduction of anger, which was simpler than normal rock at that time, which paved the way for punk bands in Detroit to book gigs in the late 70's.

Iggy was also considered protopunk.


It wasn't until well after the ramones and the misfits that the dogs and radio birdman were coming out of detroit. Technically Radio Birdman was coming out of australia, styling themselves as a simpler true punk version of the MC5.

I mean COME ON, this is common knowledge stuff here. /smh. I also didn't say punk music was "blasting noise" -- I said it was simple. If it was just blasting noise it never could exist -- they play simple music, but it's music indeed, not noise.

Music History is kind of my thing. It's all irrespective though, because it's not like any of the music arguments matter at all -- since Bombshell is FACTUALLY not based on punk bands, but based on CINEMA, which is movies, not music.

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I will rub it in their face that they're wrong, but let them figure out where they're making their mistakes. How else are these super-smart above everyone else clowns going to learn?

Ironic, because here you are pretending to be super-smart above every one else kind of clown in this thread. Or maybe you just didn't watch the interview that said it's was based on cinema? Or maybe since you're old enough to have lived through and remember the 70's that your memory is starting to go....

I'm not really sure what it is, but you're making yourself look foolish trying to prove a point that was already factually confirmed to be wrong by interceptor from before you ever even saw this thread, only making yourself look twice as foolish, because you're wrong about the origins of punk too.....

It's like a double whammy, I'd be embarrassed reading this... It's okay, you don't have to reply.

You should go stream tankgirl instead.... familiarize yourself with the character so you have a base to compare it to when Bombshell launches.

[MrFlibble]

Laokin, on 20 May 2014 - 05:20 AM, said:

I think I might have seen parts of this film briefly while flipping channels quite some time ago (without knowing what it is), but honestly I have never heard of it before.

Anyway, if you are right and Bombshell is indeed based on Lori Petty's character, then it would be logical for the designers to provide Bombshell with the wide range of facial expressions and emotional responses of Tank Girl which are evident in the trailer (and I suppose moreso in the film itself). Then I guess maybe the character design will work.

On another note, I must say that for some reason the animation of Bombshell on the game's official website somehow reminded me of Sarah Kerrigan's animation on the campaign selection screen in Brood War:


I wonder if this could be intentional?

[Never Forgotten]

I took that one guy's version of Bombshell, using paint.net, and made a much needed update.

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[Laokin]

MrFlibble, on 20 May 2014 - 09:15 AM, said:

I think I might have seen parts of this film briefly while flipping channels quite some time ago (without knowing what it is), but honestly I have never heard of it before.

Anyway, if you are right and Bombshell is indeed based on Lori Petty's character, then it would be logical for the designers to provide Bombshell with the wide range of facial expressions and emotional responses of Tank Girl which are evident in the trailer (and I suppose moreso in the film itself). Then I guess maybe the character design will work.

On another note, I must say that for some reason the animation of Bombshell on the game's official website somehow reminded me of Sarah Kerrigan's animation on the campaign selection screen in Brood War:


I wonder if this could be intentional?

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if it was -- that's the thing about these kinds of games, they are built on top of references.

[MusicallyInspired]

Whatever. It still looks stupid.

[Forge]

Laokin, on 20 May 2014 - 08:19 AM, said:

First of all, I'm not behind. second of all -- I'm still right.

i don't even have to respond to this. you make yourself look asinine fine all by yourself by pigeon holing and classify music to suit your view.
doesn't make it right, just makes it your opinion.

This is punk:


But this isn't?:


you have to be clowning around.
Punk had it's beginning in Detroit. you can sub-class as protopunk or whatever you feel like calling it. it's still punk. Get over it

Bombshell appears to be a mix of 70's punk and mad max loner rouge. She might bust out one liners, but i don't see her fucking kangaroo men
Tank Girl aesthetically was directly influenced by punk and punk visual art - ergo if Bombshell received any influence from tank girl, Bombshell received influence from the punk look, not the concept of a coagulated cyndi lauper/madonna girl living in a tank and having furry sex.

Until someone from Interceptor actually specifically states who the current Bombshell is modeled after instead of just a conglomeration of 70's punk chick look and attitude, it's all hypothesizing.

you can disagree all you want. you're on here shooting everyone else down like you're a know-it-all and that your opinion is the only right one. everything you spout is still just assumptions, guessing, and tunnel vision. I'll continue to contradict your hot air while the facts show you are spreading mis-information like it's gospel. Just returning the favor and treating you like you're treating everyone else to see how you like it. Not very well apparently.

Laokin, on 20 May 2014 - 02:42 AM, said:

I say, stop being so butthurt,
Also, making her blonde would be a stupid thing to do

Laokin, on 20 May 2014 - 03:16 AM, said:

Your version sucks.
Making her blonde is stupid

Laokin, on 20 May 2014 - 04:03 AM, said:

that guy is wrong all day.

Laokin, on 20 May 2014 - 04:58 AM, said:

Aren't you contradicting yourself right now?
Also you seem clueless about punk
Yeah that's kind of the point; it's flying over the heads of these people.

Laokin, on 20 May 2014 - 05:20 AM, said:

That's me correcting their MISTAKE. Not criticizing opinions.
this is because your EXPECTATION of the character is incorrect, because you're not familiar enough with the actual character, OR, it's source material.

btw: you're still behind. you really should quit.

[Inspector Lagomorf]

The punk discussion is more interesting than the trailer.

[Jimmy]

Laokin, on 20 May 2014 - 04:58 AM, said:

Also you seem clueless about punk, which is why you actually made the above statement... What is "Punk" has changed so much since it's inception, and TRUE punk is now considered "Not punk" -- The NY Dolls are the fathers of Punk music and literally zero "punk" music of today is anything like the NY Dolls. Punk was just mediocre musicians that didn't have good vocalists -- yet they played anyway because they enjoyed it -- they survived because their shows were fun, because they'd do other entertaining things while on stage as well as get members of the audience to partake in things they otherwise wouldn't do. People never went to punk shows because of the music -- the music WAS BY DEFAULT terrible, because they were all flunkee musicians that didn't give a fuck that they sucked. Just take a look at the Ramones.... Also, that visual style IS punk in terms of aesthetics, shaved half head, spikes, cut off pant leg, metal bra, bandoilers.... It's like something straight out of mad max.... When you measure if someone is "truly" punk, are you really saying "She's got spikes on, that's punk -- wait, let me inspect the spikes, oh they are dull... YOU'RE NOT PUNK!" ????

I can't take anyone seriously who thinks the Ramones are terrible.

Laokin, on 20 May 2014 - 04:58 AM, said:

That IS punk. The whole "style" you're adopting -- promoting -- criticizing is NOT punk -- because the essence of PUNK is to be JUDGED NOT, rather than be judged, the essence of PUNK is to NOT judge, yet you're judging... It doesn't matter if you purchase something from hot topic or made it yourself, it's the visual aesthetic that makes it punk, not the brand behind it. You sound virtually no different than those that wear versaci/gucci -- you sound like fashion police, she's wearing imitation god no! That's not punk, that's punk bitch.

Don't judge people? Lee Ving would tell you to fuck off and call you a queer.

Laokin, on 20 May 2014 - 04:58 AM, said:

In other words, punk isn't what you wear, but HOW you wear it -- punk isn't a look, it's a lifestyle -- Bombshell fits this motif perfectly and if you disagree, it's you who doesn't know punk. The line at the end of the trailer about taking a rocket to the neck -- that's punk, the line was terrible, she delivered it anyway and just laughed about how terrible it was...

That's literally the essence of PUNK.


I like Bombshells look -- I'd like to see them make a couple different itterations of the same concept, the game isn't shipping until 2015, so at minimum it's still 8 months out... The teaser for Duke changed the duke model, they changed the duke model 4 times from that teaser to the version that hit the shelf -- I doubt bombshell is finished -- she was just finished enough to reveal via teaser -- but hell, if she stayed EXACTLY the same, I'd still be happy.

Bombshell is going to be the most technical and prettiest Isometric game probably ever released. The model that you saw in that trailer, is primarily only seen from a birds eye view -- at this distance, we won't be able to see that the spikes on her neck aren't sharp, you dig?

MetHy, on 20 May 2014 - 05:03 AM, said:

I wouldn't bothering answering to a self proclaimed "punk expert" who can't name good european punk bands.

I already mentioned a few, as I was playing off ol' US vs Euro schtick but whatever. You gotcher Stiff Little Fingers, Sham 69, Sex Pistols, Public Image Ltd., Leatherface, Millencollin, The Adicts, GBH, Die Toten Hosen, The Cockney Rejects, The Buzzcocks, Consumed, The Crass, The Damned, Subhumans. Skrewdriver was even alright before Ian Stuart became a knucklehead. The Who are certainly one of my favourite bands, and whether a lot of people will admit it or not, they definitely had an influence on punk rock. Two-Tone is the shit too.

Laokin, on 20 May 2014 - 07:21 AM, said:

Right, it doesn't, but self-produced garage rock has little to do with the genre of rock you're playing, whether it be metal/scream-o or alternative/Dave Matthews style... None of those are punk, because they require skill to play. Real punk music is really simple beats, with really simple chords, with really simple transitions, with really simple lyrics, with really simple delivery of said lyrics.



It's the most simple and talentless music to play -- the singers can't even hold notes....

If your punk has complicated guitar solo's in it, it's not punk music, if it has people who can sing really difficult songs, it's not punk music.

You can't compare any popular punk band with any other band that has singers that can actually sing, or guitarists that can solo faces off, because the punk bands can do neither of those two things. As far back as you go, to the most current, this is always true. And remember "Blondie" was "Punk" music too -- Check out how similar sunday girl is to the ramones or the NY Dolls.... Punk music EXCLUSIVELY had it's origin's in the CBGB club in Manhattan NY. 1973. Money says you weren't alive then -- but I grew up in NYC, and considering that it's about the biggest city in the world for famous musicians and the birth of genre styles, it's pretty much impossible to grow up there without learning the history of places like the CBGB or The Tunnel/Hip Hop Mecca.

Take a band like Blink 182, which IS punk, whether you want to "accept" it as punk or not, and look at them today. They don't exist, because they are talentless hacks -- the one that's still busy getting gigs is Travis Barker, because this man HAS SUPER talent, but was playing "Punk" because it was popular. That fad came and went, and not even skateboarders are listening to it anymore....

Punk music isn't really played on the radio today, or listened to by people who understand music -- it's listened to by scene kids, kids that are conditioned to think it's cool because everyone else hates it. It's that, Gothic -- I'm different, but we're all the same, mentality.... It's whole motif is "we don't want to be like you" and the reason it IS that way, is because they CAN'T be like other artists, because they aren't physically good enough....

This is how those different "cliques" form. You have the successful/beautiful/talented kids, and everyone else is a reject from that core group, they then seek to find where they fit in, and they notice they fit in with the misfits. They are misfits for a reason. This is the exact reason the punk band the Misfits is actually even called the Misfits.

The more you know.

You're a fucking moron. "Punk can't be complicated." Hahahah go fucking kill yourself. You don't even know what you're talking about. Glenn Danzig called the band The Misfits because of his affinity with Marilyn Monroe, that was a movie she was in. That's like Misfits 101 right there.

Forge, on 20 May 2014 - 07:44 AM, said:

this is complete assumption that "attitude", "banter", and "look" were originated with tank girl.

Goddamn I love this woman. I wish she was still here.

[DustFalcon85]

Are some of the pics is that of the late Wendy O Williams of the punk band Plasmatics, huh? I've heard she's like the female version of GG Allin.

At least there's a koopaling named in her honor.

[Forge]

Jimmy, on 20 May 2014 - 03:53 PM, said:

The Who are certainly one of my favourite bands, and whether a lot of people will admit it or not, they definitely had an influence on punk rock.

as well as The Kinks & The Troggs

even though The Deviants were more "psychedelic" they still had a nasty edge to them

[Jimmy]

Greg Graffin mentions Tommy on the song Along the Way from Bad Religion's Back to the Known. And I'm pretty sure Billy Gnosis on Into the Unknown is referencing the hell out of the Wall by Pink Floyd. Jello Biafra is a huge fan of the Deviants.

And yes, DustFalcon, all those pictures are of the wonderful, lovely, and ballsy Wendy O. Williams. I wish I could have met her.

[fredfuchz]

Protected by Viper, on 20 May 2014 - 06:44 AM, said:

Sounds like it's nice up there.

I thought all of this board has their nose really up Frederick's asshole.

[Person of Color]

MrFlibble, on 20 May 2014 - 09:15 AM, said:

This really makes me reflect on how crappy modern UI's and menus are in games. 640x480, 256 colors, and it's just fucking beautiful. It's got soul, man.

[Richard Shead]

Protected by Viper, on 20 May 2014 - 06:44 AM, said:

Sounds like it's nice up there.

Then wouldn't that be "Doo Point"?

And 17 MPH gusts indicate some pretty fast farts.

[Lunick]

fredfuchz, on 20 May 2014 - 08:50 PM, said:

I thought all of this board has their nose really up Frederick's asshole.

You're clearly more interested in him than any of us (Other that Mr. D)

[Mike Norvak]

; )

They should hire Soren...

[Laokin]

Jimmy, on 20 May 2014 - 03:53 PM, said:

I can't take anyone seriously who thinks the Ramones are terrible.


Don't judge people? Lee Ving would tell you to fuck off and call you a queer.






I already mentioned a few, as I was playing off ol' US vs Euro schtick but whatever. You gotcher Stiff Little Fingers, Sham 69, Sex Pistols, Public Image Ltd., Leatherface, Millencollin, The Adicts, GBH, Die Toten Hosen, The Cockney Rejects, The Buzzcocks, Consumed, The Crass, The Damned, Subhumans. Skrewdriver was even alright before Ian Stuart became a knucklehead. The Who are certainly one of my favourite bands, and whether a lot of people will admit it or not, they definitely had an influence on punk rock. Two-Tone is the shit too.


You're a fucking moron. "Punk can't be complicated." Hahahah go fucking kill yourself. You don't even know what you're talking about. Glenn Danzig called the band The Misfits because of his affinity with Marilyn Monroe, that was a movie she was in. That's like Misfits 101 right there.


Goddamn I love this woman. I wish she was still here.

All I'm gonna say, is -- Joey Ramone can't sing. This by default makes the Ramones suck. My Aunt used to date Joey, he's not only a talentless hack, but he acknowledges the fact that he can't sing openly, he's a cool guy, but the Ramones suck. Name one song that has a great demonstration of musical capability...

You'll be at this a while, because not one example exists.

As for the Misfits, they based all their entire base of music on B movies that were universally hated INCLUDING the misfits with Marilyn Monroe. This movie also bombed and received terrible reviews when it originally came out. It was the "Cult" following of BAD movies that lead to their name, because they were a bad band, and knew if they approached music with the same attitude that those movies did, they'd also have a solid cult following. Misfits 101.

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The band's early lyrical and graphical focus was on retro (1930s-'50s) science fiction, horror films, and B-movies.

A.k.a BAD movies that didn't FIT in. Glenn Anzalone has ZERO affinity with Marilyn Monroe.

Sidenote; Marilyn Monroe was a terrible actress, who made terrible movies, who slept around with everyone, including the president and his brother, she also wasn't anywhere near as attractive as everyone leads her on to be -- she's a commonplace entertainment whore, she's essentially that era's Paris Hilton, why anybody would miss her, is beyond me -- considering she wasn't at all influential to anyone outside of the "Iconic" pinup style of her photoshoots, which she also WAS NOT responsible for designing. The fact that you "Miss her" is a testament to your bad taste in entertainment products.


As for the the rest of you fucking morons -- what part of Bombshell being based on MOVIES did you NOT understand?

She may be based on movies that got their visual influences elsewhere, however -- that does not mean that interceptor based their designs on the origin of that visual look -- it means they based their designs on MOVIES from the 80's and 90's, just like they already confirmed in that interview on the front page.

That's like saying Duke Nukem's character was based on literature of the 60's, since that literature is what spawned the movies that he's based on...

[Kyanos]

I don't know why I'm even bothering. Anyways, art has always been evolving, a hell of a lot of deferent media has come before Bombshell, it's pretty fucking obvious that punk has influenced the character design.

PS joey didn't need to sing good. I hear miley has a good singing voice, maybe she is more your style.

[Doomfrost]

Nightwolf, on 19 May 2014 - 07:50 AM, said:

OK I fixed most of the shit that was bugging me with the character design.

Here's a freebie Interceptor

Looks great! Just needs a pair of sunglasses for additional cool factor.

[Jimmy]

Laokin, on 23 May 2014 - 02:10 AM, said:

All I'm gonna say, is -- Joey Ramone can't sing. This by default makes the Ramones suck. My Aunt used to date Joey, he's not only a talentless hack, but he acknowledges the fact that he can't sing openly, he's a cool guy, but the Ramones suck. Name one song that has a great demonstration of musical capability...

You'll be at this a while, because not one example exists.

Let me preface this by saying you have to be REALLY fucking stupid for me to downvote you.

The Ramones didn't strive to be the "best", you fucking idiot. You tin-eared graph-paper brained bastards are everything that is wrong with music. The fact that talentless hacks could pull off songs like this is beautiful and a testament to the power raw talent and music have. You don't have to be incredibly skilled to do something strong and meaningful. Music is about being effective. I can think of countless skilled musicians who while being at the control of quite the prowess, they don't know what to do with it. You sound like someone who is incapable of doing anything great, so you'd rather cut down others who did a whole lot with very little. The Ramones were about rock n roll, not money or fame. Stop trying to analyze everything, instead learn to connect with the soul of another human being.



Further studying;
I Believe in Miracles
Howling at the Moon
I Want You Around
Do You Remember Rock N Roll Radio?
I Wanna Live

Laokin, on 23 May 2014 - 02:10 AM, said:

As for the Misfits, they based all their entire base of music on B movies that were universally hated INCLUDING the misfits with Marilyn Monroe. This movie also bombed and received terrible reviews when it originally came out. It was the "Cult" following of BAD movies that lead to their name, because they were a bad band, and knew if they approached music with the same attitude that those movies did, they'd also have a solid cult following. Misfits 101.


A.k.a BAD movies that didn't FIT in. Glenn Anzalone has ZERO affinity with Marilyn Monroe.

Explain this EP then, you thick-headed mook.

Laokin, on 23 May 2014 - 02:10 AM, said:

Sidenote; Marilyn Monroe was a terrible actress, who made terrible movies, who slept around with everyone, including the president and his brother, she also wasn't anywhere near as attractive as everyone leads her on to be -- she's a commonplace entertainment whore, she's essentially that era's Paris Hilton, why anybody would miss her, is beyond me -- considering she wasn't at all influential to anyone outside of the "Iconic" pinup style of her photoshoots, which she also WAS NOT responsible for designing. The fact that you "Miss her" is a testament to your bad taste in entertainment products.

I miss Wendy O. Williams. You are a fucking idiot. Learn to read.

You don't have the spirit of rock n roll within you, and Mojo Nixon would be very displeased. Try having fun sometime.

[Richard Shead]

Laokin, on 23 May 2014 - 02:10 AM, said:

Sidenote; Marilyn Monroe was a terrible actress, who made terrible movies, who slept around with everyone, including the president and his brother, she also wasn't anywhere near as attractive as everyone leads her on to be -- she's a commonplace entertainment whore, she's essentially that era's Paris Hilton, why anybody would miss her, is beyond me -- considering she wasn't at all influential to anyone outside of the "Iconic" pinup style of her photoshoots, which she also WAS NOT responsible for designing. The fact that you "Miss her" is a testament to your bad taste in entertainment products.

I'm surprised you didn't mention the facts that she rarely bathed, had chronic flatulence as well as irritable bowel syndrome, slept in the nude, ate in bed, and stored leftover the food underneath her sheets. She also never wore panties. Don't believe me? Google.