[Zaxx]

Nancsi, on 16 September 2018 - 11:53 AM, said:

I still don't know if RRRA level designer Mal Blackwell is the same guy as our mblackwell...

What I'm generally curious about is if any of the original RR / Kingpin / RtCW team is still working at Treyarch (the dev team Xatrix / Gray Matter merged into). When I think about Xatrix or Raven Software nowadays I'm always like "damn, they are slaving away at CoD now" and it'd be interesting to know just how much of that is true.

[MusicallyInspired]

So some Build games after Duke (and possibly for Duke but it never got out of beta?) supported glide. What was the extent of its usage? It was never for things like alpha blending right? What's the story there?

[necroslut]

MusicallyInspired, on 23 September 2018 - 02:14 PM, said:

So some Build games after Duke (and possibly for Duke but it never got out of beta?) supported glide. What was the extent of its usage? It was never for things like alpha blending right? What's the story there?

Never tried it myself but I remember the 3DFX shots of Shadow Warrior looking similar to Polymost with texture filtering.

[leilei]

It was hacky. It's really a software renderer with the spans being fed to the 3dfx card instead, so it's even more limited (no voxels supported), not actually faster or even more precise with colors (it still uses palettes and the lookup tables). It's a product of its time (when 2d games and nearest texture sampling was briefly stigmatized by 3d card hype) and should be treated more as a broken curiosity. Given how it works, there's still ugly aliasing everywhere so it's all for nought anyway.

[Phredreeke]

Wasn't the texture filtering only in one direction as well?

[Micky C]

I also recall it having correct perspective, like polymost.

[icecoldduke]

Phredreeke, on 25 September 2018 - 06:01 AM, said:

Wasn't the texture filtering only in one direction as well?

I remember textures looking like they were bi-linear filtered, and down sampled(I haven't looked into SW glide from a tech perspective, just passing on an observation). I always prefered the non-glide version, the textures were way to blurry for me.

[MusicallyInspired]

Was there ever a driver for Duke3D though? Someone I know was asking about it because he thought there was one in beta or something for download but was never finished.

[SonicB00M]

I guess he meant Blood. That one was officially released but was unfinished

[leilei]

Micky C, on 25 September 2018 - 06:21 AM, said:

I also recall it having correct perspective, like polymost.

it doesn't.

[Tekedon]

Not sure where to put this. Just some interesting information. I asked Kevin Kilstrom about the weapons in Blood on Facebook.

"The Tommy gun was an actual Tommy gun!!! Nick Newhard rented that for us from somewhere. It was pretty cool. The pitchfork was also real. I remember trying to get a good polaroid pic of that to scan in. The only weapon that was 3d rendered was the Tesla gun. I'm pretty sure we had a real shotgun and flaregun too. And I think those are Nick's hands holding the spray can and lighter."

[Dzierzan]

Hmm he didn't mention Voodoo Doll or Life Leech, I guess both are self-made since the Voodoo doll can be actually seen in the picture of him and his wife, it's lying on the shelf.

I also contacted him once using his gmail mail when I was looking for something specific. He told me he wasn't good at saving backups back then, although he does have some old backups.

[necroslut]

Dzierzan, on 30 September 2018 - 03:54 AM, said:

Hmm he didn't mention Voodoo Doll or Life Leech, I guess both are self-made since the Voodoo doll can be actually seen in the picture of him and his wife, it's lying on the shelf.

I also contacted him once using his gmail mail when I was looking for something specific. He told me he wasn't good at saving backups back then, although he does have some old backups.

They both very much look photo-sourced to me.

[Tekedon]

necroslut, on 30 September 2018 - 10:35 AM, said:

They both very much look photo-sourced to me.

Sorry I did not copy that post. They are hand made models he did. Here is the conversation

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[Phredreeke]

After looking into NAM's tileset, I discovered a LOT of tiles have been lifted from other games, mostly Shadow Warrior but also Redneck Rampage and Blood and even Powerslave and TekWar.

Spoiler

1641-1643 Blood 0985-0987
2632-2647 SW 3100-3116
2650-2671 SW 3121-3142

3595 Tekwar 0044

3700-3701 SW 0108-0109

3702 SW 0154
3703 SW 0364
3705 SW 0369
3706 SW 0401

3713 SW 0692
3715 SW 2679
3716 SW 3558
3718 SW 3568
3719 SW 3583

3720 SW 4738
3722 SW 4736
3723 SW 4743

3751 Blood 0804
3752 Blood 0808

3768 SW 3564
3866 SW 0011
3867 SW 0015

3870 SW 0053
3871 SW 0055
3872 SW 0071
3878 SW 0220
3879 SW 0364

3883 SW 0393
3884 SW 0403
3888 SW 3542
3889-3891 SW 3562-3564

3892 SW 3566
3893 SW 3570
3894 SW 4963
3897 SW 3571
3899 SW 4930

3901 Tekwar 0053
3902 PS 0540

3985-3998 RR 1494-1507

4000-4007 SW 0300-0307

4022-4036 SW 0780-0794

4064-4066 RR 1976
4069 Blood 0361

4083 Blood 0808
4084 Blood 0804

Made a few animated GIF to compare

https://imgur.com/a/K4JtR1x

[NNC]

Phredreeke, on 15 October 2018 - 02:07 PM, said:

After looking into NAM's tileset, I discovered a LOT of tiles have been lifted from other games, mostly Shadow Warrior but also Redneck Rampage and Blood and even Powerslave and TekWar.

Spoiler

1641-1643 Blood 0985-0987
2632-2647 SW 3100-3116
2650-2671 SW 3121-3142

3595 Tekwar 0044

3700-3701 SW 0108-0109

3702 SW 0154
3703 SW 0364
3705 SW 0369
3706 SW 0401

3713 SW 0692
3715 SW 2679
3716 SW 3558
3718 SW 3568
3719 SW 3583

3720 SW 4738
3722 SW 4736
3723 SW 4743

3751 Blood 0804
3752 Blood 0808

3768 SW 3564
3866 SW 0011
3867 SW 0015

3870 SW 0053
3871 SW 0055
3872 SW 0071
3878 SW 0220
3879 SW 0364

3883 SW 0393
3884 SW 0403
3888 SW 3542
3889-3891 SW 3562-3564

3892 SW 3566
3893 SW 3570
3894 SW 4963
3897 SW 3571
3899 SW 4930

3901 Tekwar 0053
3902 PS 0540

3985-3998 RR 1494-1507

4000-4007 SW 0300-0307

4022-4036 SW 0780-0794

4064-4066 RR 1976
4069 Blood 0361

4083 Blood 0808
4084 Blood 0804

Made a few animated GIF to compare

https://imgur.com/a/K4JtR1x

You can only wonder how this can happen to a commercial release.

[Sanek]

Don't forget about all Duke3D textures featured in the game. They don't change these, while they edited tiles from Blood and SW a little bit. I'm positive that 3DRealms gave them permission to use the textures (they can't use the Build engine by bypassing 3DR back in the day), while other tiles is a different story.

Nancsi, on 16 October 2018 - 11:23 PM, said:

You can only wonder how this can happen to a commercial release.

Because nobody cares about this tiles and will never care, unless some random wise guy on the net become a stool pigeon.

[Phredreeke]

I deliberately ignored the Duke3D tiles because the game is built upon it + they even keep the same tile number.

I wonder if there are tiles from any other games...

[NNC]

Sanek, on 17 October 2018 - 01:19 AM, said:

Because nobody cares about this tiles and will never care, unless some random wise guy on the net become a stool pigeon.

I'm not talking about the legal part. Ripping off textures and stuff from various games with different art directions to make up your own is the cheapest way possible to create something. It's ok for freeware/fanmade game mods (although I'm not a fan of it), but not for a commercial game.

[MusicallyInspired]

Unless both took them from some comprehensive library of textures. Or unless they had consent from the other. Ethics-wise, anyway. Lazy-wise, perhaps....but then nothing is original, really. I mean, they are all shooters on the BUILD engine.

[OpenMaw]

Considering NAM was the commercial offshoot of Platoon, i'm not really surprised that happened.