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Mapping questions thread

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Apparently we didn't already have a localized thread for Mapster32 and mapping related questions (ranging from "how do I do X doors" or "what was the key to do Y"), so here's one.

Here's two, which I sadly already know the answers for, but can't hurt to ask.

1) Can you control a two way train's speed?

2) Is it possible to have a conveyor belt that doesn't move the floor texture (not using sprites to cover the floor)? Having a texture that doesn't look like it's moving is one way to do it but I'd rather not.

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As far as I'm aware the answer to both those questions is no.

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I'm looking for hacks and other weird tricks to somehow emulate these effects. Or any other effect that works similarly.

I guess it's still a no, but I'm not gonna stop trying.

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for #2 - ... I do this in sw build with currents, like a water current. Not sure if duke has that or not.
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View PostRobman, on 08 March 2014 - 03:05 AM, said:

Not sure if duke has that or not.


It doesn't.

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Oh I guess you're right, it could be done with a texture that animates in the opposite direction. Too bad I'm working with base, unmodified 1.5 here.

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View PostDaedolon, on 08 March 2014 - 12:31 AM, said:

2) Is it possible to have a conveyor belt that doesn't move the floor texture (not using sprites to cover the floor)? Having a texture that doesn't look like it's moving is one way to do it but I'd rather not.


Using sprites to cover the ground is how MRCK did it in Happy Hangover (on my idea but I guess it's not that hard to figure it out). It works pretty well.
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Was just thinking it for a slope, so I can't use sprites.

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toy with the se26 escalator effect.
can't control the speed though and it might be hard to mask the visual anomalies it causes
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What about some invisible TROR?

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That could work but there's also another effect on the sector which might make everything quite a lot harder. Don't know what SE26 does so I'll give it a shot.

Everyone feel free to ask your own questions here too.

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If you set the GPSPEED to a stupidly high value it reverses the direction and eventually will prevent the texture animating, or it did as far as I remember. I'm almost certain I've used it somewhere, but I can't remember where or what values I used.

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A question related to the conveyor belts. Is there any rule, to aligning the floor texture along with the conveyor movement direction? That is pain for me to do.

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Set the floor texture to be relative, should help quite a bit.

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Well, even when I do this, it still does different direction! Then I just change the first wall to every single wall over the sector and it still goes wrong!

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You're supposed to flip the texture instead of changing the firstwall. Just keep hitting F on the floor until it goes the correct way.

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Will try :wub:

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Why do enemies refuse to leave a sector, like for example going into one room from another but they get stuck. It seems they don't like stepping onto a different floor texture and get stuck where the two different floor textures meet. Does anyone know how to fix this?
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Don't use the stayput versions of the enemies.

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View PostFlesh420, on 11 March 2014 - 09:43 AM, said:

Why do enemies refuse to leave a sector, like for example going into one room from another but they get stuck. It seems they don't like stepping onto a different floor texture and get stuck where the two different floor textures meet. Does anyone know how to fix this?


I think I may have experienced this same thing using a pigcop dive. But it only seemed to happen once where I noticed it.

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View PostPaul B, on 11 March 2014 - 11:11 AM, said:

I think I may have experienced this same thing using a pigcop dive. But it only seemed to happen once where I noticed it.


PIGCOPDIVE is a stayput actor.
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Dive as well?

Are there any other "unmarked" stayput actors then?

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View PostDaedolon, on 12 March 2014 - 10:18 AM, said:

Dive as well?

Are there any other "unmarked" stayput actors then?


Nope. From the source code:

        case OCTABRAINSTAYPUT__STATIC:
        case LIZTROOPSTAYPUT__STATIC:
        case PIGCOPSTAYPUT__STATIC:
        case LIZMANSTAYPUT__STATIC:
        case BOSS1STAYPUT__STATIC:
        case PIGCOPDIVE__STATIC:
        case COMMANDERSTAYPUT__STATIC:
        case BOSS4STAYPUT__STATIC:
            actor[i].actorstayput = sp->sectnum;


Note that NEWBEASTSTAYPUT is not hardcoded to stayput (they are useractors with the enemystayput flag) so they aren't in the list.
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View PostHigh Treason, on 09 March 2014 - 12:52 AM, said:

If you set the GPSPEED to a stupidly high value it reverses the direction and eventually will prevent the texture animating, or it did as far as I remember.


Took a bit long to work on it but, yeah, 16384 as the speed reverses the direction of the conveyor belt (so just turn the SE around) and stops the texture from animating, it's a bit rough for what I want but I'll take it. My design philosophy has always been that I'd rather have cool effects albeit a bit broken, rather than no interesting stuff at all.

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How can I disable the "locked"/"unlocked" messages from ActivatorLocked?
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I wish I knew the answer, that's been bothering me too - in fact I've completely discarded a few effects from my maps because of them.

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I assume that its not just a matter of putting in blank text for those two quotes in USER.CON?
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Usually when people want to make maps, that's not an option.

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Ah yes. This is a mapping thread. OOPS.
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View PostFox, on 25 April 2014 - 12:33 PM, said:

How can I disable the "locked"/"unlocked" messages from ActivatorLocked?

use a SE20 helper sector to trip the activatorlocked

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