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Cathy, on 16 February 2013 - 12:21 AM, said:
Tell that to George Romero.
You mean John Romero?
This is George Romero, of "Night of the Living Dead" fame:
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#91 Posted 17 February 2013 - 07:13 PM
You mean John Romero?
This is George Romero, of "Night of the Living Dead" fame:
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#94 Posted 18 February 2013 - 02:11 AM
Lunick, on 17 February 2013 - 07:54 PM, said:
I thought he was mixing George Broussard with John Romero 
Impossible. Confusing John and George has always been a problem I've had since I was a kid. lol Sucks having a good looking and unique surname, especially as a celeb.
#95 Posted 18 February 2013 - 02:46 AM
s.b.Newsom, on 18 February 2013 - 02:11 AM, said:
Confusing John and George has always been a problem I've had since I was a kid.
John:
George:
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#98 Posted 18 February 2013 - 11:56 AM
Heck, confusing George and George was always a problem for me.
#100 Posted 27 February 2013 - 11:41 PM
With how they mistreated Aliens Gearbox is only going to get more hate, but what matters is if all those fans start to lend a hand to this boycott. Whether it be Duke or Aliens the boycott can cater to both sides.
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#101 Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:29 AM
I want a new Duke game ( which we will get ), but I definitely do not want Duke Nukem reloaded.
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#103 Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:39 PM
Steveeeie, on 28 February 2013 - 10:29 AM, said:
I want a new Duke game ( which we will get ), but I definitely do not want Duke Nukem reloaded.
The idea of working on a game with Build engine is so unprofitable?
I mean, Duke Nukem 3D could have gained a sequel like Doom II, instead 3DRealms was working on that pointless DNF sequel... they could do that today.
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#104 Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:02 PM
I've already done all I can to boycott Gearbox. I've never purchased any Gearbox game, nor have I ever downloaded any demos. That's right, not even the DNF demo. Do you guys think I made a difference?
This post has been edited by Radar: 28 February 2013 - 01:03 PM
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#105 Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:08 PM
Nope. Because people are still gonna buy the Borderlands games. It'd be like boycotting Mountain Dew to destroy the Pepsi corporation.
This post has been edited by Captain Awesome: 28 February 2013 - 01:09 PM
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#106 Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:20 PM
My point exactly.
You put it in the best and simplest words so far:
You put it in the best and simplest words so far:
Captain Awesome, on 28 February 2013 - 12:30 PM, said:
The prospect of a boycott is so retarded and silly.
#107 Posted 09 March 2013 - 05:05 PM
Its easy to be pessimistic, its like donating to charity. Every little bit helps, even if the people who start doing it first think they're not making a difference. It all begins to add up eventually.
Theres a big blame game going on at Gearbox's 1-2 weeks after the games release. Seriously, passing the blame may be a corporate tactic but not for entire companies! That sort of thing only should be happening on a smaller level between employees if they want to rise up on the corporate ladder. On a larger scale it only shows how Gearbox didn't take any responsibility to make sure the other guys are sticking to Gearbox's level of standards/vision of the game.
How Sega is to blame and other companies that the game was passed onto, how Sega kept handing Gearbox more time and money, they ruined the consumer's trust in them as a company (or rather, that's what it should have done, but instead people treat SEGA like a fellow victim). The majority of the blame isn't the other companies that worked on the game, but the one that where trusted with its development. Gearbox essentially did not do any quality control, for polishing or refining the thing. They just seemed to take the money and spend it on more Borderlands 2 content and probably boost their employees wages.
Colonial Marines did everything it could to make itself look like a good game at gaming events game journalists flocked to it to give it limited coverage, with a specially designed levels to be pure spectacle and not in anyway to do with the actual game (filled with random big events, most of which did not go into the final game). Promotional gameplay is like a new kind of cinematic CGI sequences, it gives you the wrong impression of the game.
And those gaming journalists that where fed the crap, only served to continue the deceit and lies even if some aren't aware of it, even when they got to play the real deal theres this "unofficial bribery" going on in gaming journalism thats essentially putting them right in the pockets of the publishers. The journalists get inside information, exclusive interviews, press conference invites, tips for rumor mills, free review copies of the game before release, and due to NDA cannot release a review before the games release date or else they get blacklisted. Then no one will ever give them the coverage. They essentially become ostracized from gaming journalism... their career suddenly becomes really difficult and expensive.
The PR executives are hired by the publishers, who are fueled by pre-orders hence the massive amount of money going into PR marketing, and the corruption thats spreading onto video game journalists. The danger is pre-orders is essentially people giving away their ability to get a refund, for a slightly cheaper game & some small exclusive DLC (which is just some locked content on the disc that is unlocked for those who pre-ordered). The publishers using fear tactics of pulling away advertisment support (and considering what a important source of revenue that is for gaming journalism sites) like with what 3DO's Trip Hawkins tried to do with GamePro, and recently what Sony's (entertainment division) tried to do on Kotaku.
Hype machines like Spike TV video game awards just make things worse, and then theres
Game Media Awards. These are awards organised by PRs, for which PRs are eligible to vote, all sponsored by publishers. I think just going along to this event is a compromising act, not because I don’t think journalists should attend events funded by publishers, but because this is an event put on by publishers and PRs, funded by publishers, in order to vote for their favorite journalists. Undoubtley giving fame and recognition to journalists that are "favorites" (who give favourable reviews & "proper" scores). Only serving to highlight how ridiculous the backscratching is getting.
Theres a big blame game going on at Gearbox's 1-2 weeks after the games release. Seriously, passing the blame may be a corporate tactic but not for entire companies! That sort of thing only should be happening on a smaller level between employees if they want to rise up on the corporate ladder. On a larger scale it only shows how Gearbox didn't take any responsibility to make sure the other guys are sticking to Gearbox's level of standards/vision of the game.
How Sega is to blame and other companies that the game was passed onto, how Sega kept handing Gearbox more time and money, they ruined the consumer's trust in them as a company (or rather, that's what it should have done, but instead people treat SEGA like a fellow victim). The majority of the blame isn't the other companies that worked on the game, but the one that where trusted with its development. Gearbox essentially did not do any quality control, for polishing or refining the thing. They just seemed to take the money and spend it on more Borderlands 2 content and probably boost their employees wages.
Colonial Marines did everything it could to make itself look like a good game at gaming events game journalists flocked to it to give it limited coverage, with a specially designed levels to be pure spectacle and not in anyway to do with the actual game (filled with random big events, most of which did not go into the final game). Promotional gameplay is like a new kind of cinematic CGI sequences, it gives you the wrong impression of the game.
And those gaming journalists that where fed the crap, only served to continue the deceit and lies even if some aren't aware of it, even when they got to play the real deal theres this "unofficial bribery" going on in gaming journalism thats essentially putting them right in the pockets of the publishers. The journalists get inside information, exclusive interviews, press conference invites, tips for rumor mills, free review copies of the game before release, and due to NDA cannot release a review before the games release date or else they get blacklisted. Then no one will ever give them the coverage. They essentially become ostracized from gaming journalism... their career suddenly becomes really difficult and expensive.
The PR executives are hired by the publishers, who are fueled by pre-orders hence the massive amount of money going into PR marketing, and the corruption thats spreading onto video game journalists. The danger is pre-orders is essentially people giving away their ability to get a refund, for a slightly cheaper game & some small exclusive DLC (which is just some locked content on the disc that is unlocked for those who pre-ordered). The publishers using fear tactics of pulling away advertisment support (and considering what a important source of revenue that is for gaming journalism sites) like with what 3DO's Trip Hawkins tried to do with GamePro, and recently what Sony's (entertainment division) tried to do on Kotaku.
Hype machines like Spike TV video game awards just make things worse, and then theres
Game Media Awards. These are awards organised by PRs, for which PRs are eligible to vote, all sponsored by publishers. I think just going along to this event is a compromising act, not because I don’t think journalists should attend events funded by publishers, but because this is an event put on by publishers and PRs, funded by publishers, in order to vote for their favorite journalists. Undoubtley giving fame and recognition to journalists that are "favorites" (who give favourable reviews & "proper" scores). Only serving to highlight how ridiculous the backscratching is getting.
This post has been edited by theunbeholden: 09 March 2013 - 05:26 PM
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#108 Posted 09 March 2013 - 05:37 PM
We already have a thread dedicated to bitching about Colonial Marines. A game I've never played. Quite seriously I don't care. Quit wasting your time making those big posts and dedicate it to something else. I bet if you took that time to help starving kids in Africa, you could've saved a few lives, but hey I guess the same could be said for me.
I'm going to reiterate what I said before. Not everybody cares, and not everybody has bought\played Duke Nukem Forever or Colonial Marines. Hell the only game I've ever played from Gearbox was Duke Nukem Forever. Plus, not everybody reads this forum, and so far it's only gotten 411 views. Now consider that many of them are likely multiples and so it probably only has maybe 20 different people if that, that have actually cared enough to open up and read this crap.
And so long Gearbox makes any profit at all, it won't make a difference one way or they other. If you could get everybody that views the Gearbox forums and these put together to boycott Gearbox, it would NOT make a damn difference. We have lives, many of us don't care and they can be corporate whores all they like. What does it matter to us? They're just some damn video games. Either sue them for false advertising or shut up. Not enough money for decent lawyers? Well, go up on kickstarter or indiegogo to get funds. Can't get enough?
Tough Shit.mp3 (16.73K)
Number of downloads: 256 Welcome to the world where nobody cares.
Well there's my rant. I'm sure I'll get downvotes galore, but again, it's a world where nobody ****** cares.
I'm going to reiterate what I said before. Not everybody cares, and not everybody has bought\played Duke Nukem Forever or Colonial Marines. Hell the only game I've ever played from Gearbox was Duke Nukem Forever. Plus, not everybody reads this forum, and so far it's only gotten 411 views. Now consider that many of them are likely multiples and so it probably only has maybe 20 different people if that, that have actually cared enough to open up and read this crap.
And so long Gearbox makes any profit at all, it won't make a difference one way or they other. If you could get everybody that views the Gearbox forums and these put together to boycott Gearbox, it would NOT make a damn difference. We have lives, many of us don't care and they can be corporate whores all they like. What does it matter to us? They're just some damn video games. Either sue them for false advertising or shut up. Not enough money for decent lawyers? Well, go up on kickstarter or indiegogo to get funds. Can't get enough?
Tough Shit.mp3 (16.73K)
Number of downloads: 256 Welcome to the world where nobody cares.
Well there's my rant. I'm sure I'll get downvotes galore, but again, it's a world where nobody ****** cares.
This post has been edited by Spirrwell: 09 March 2013 - 06:36 PM
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#109 Posted 09 March 2013 - 05:58 PM
LOL at people in 2013 who haven't realized all major charities are money changer scams and very small percentages of the money you give have any luck of going toward anything even remotely charitable.
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#110 Posted 11 March 2013 - 06:36 PM
People don't donate to charity in the hopes that all of their money goes to a good cause; they donate to relieve themselves of guilt.
Obviously not the case for everyone, of course.
Edit: Necroslut is a whiner.
Obviously not the case for everyone, of course.
Edit: Necroslut is a whiner.
This post has been edited by Achenar: 16 March 2013 - 09:19 PM
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#112 Posted 16 March 2013 - 01:58 AM
Holy shit - this thread
Where to begin? As someone who's only been involved with Interceptor since ROTT, I can't comment as to the development process of Duke 3DR but I was privy to the goings on between GBX and IE (Frederik) at the time. It's no secret that Fred and the guys put everything they had into that project only to have to shut it down, and it killed him and his team to do it. But had Duke 3DR never been born, neither would have Interceptor.
When I came on board for ROTT, the first thing I asked was to play Duke 3DR. I was given a working multiplayer build, played a few rounds, and immediately knew I had made the right decision. There was a lot more finished than I'd thought and I have no question that had the project continued, there would have been something very playable for the fans by 2012. It would have been fun, it would have been free, and it would have been very very Duke. If anything, you can't deny Frederik's reverence for the franchise, and the way in which he managed to capture the atmosphere of what made Duke 3D so great in the first place. Sure, Interceptor has a very different vision of Duke than Gearbox does, but let it be known that we harbor no ill will toward them and certainly would not support a boycott.
And if you think Fred has taken a lot of guff for not being able to see Duke 3DR through to completion - just imagine what the Black Mesa guys had to go through over the years and years of getting that project done. Fan remakes are a labor of love, but love don't pay the bills. Hell, I hope one day Interceptor is the kind of company that has the opportunity to fuck up as royally as Gearbox has on these high profile titles with big budgets. Sometimes it's only when you come back from failure that your true talent really shines through. Just like Duke3DR led Interceptor on the road we're going down today.
Speaking of that, and to the name of this thread, I don't think you should boycott any video game company, regardless of what you may think of their practices, or how they've managed development. Behind all the marketing and PR bullshit and over hyped CEO speeches are developers working their asses off to meet deadlines, pay bills, raise families and lead normal, active lives. Don't take the opportunity for success away from a talented artist, coder or animator because you don't like Randy Pitchford or how Gearbox lawyers treated Frederik. A developer is made up of the sum of its parts, and I'm willing to bet most of the parts of Gearbox Software are made up of hard working guys and girls down in Texas who just want to make kick ass video games.
If you don't like a certain game or certain person, that's fine, shout it form the rooftops, this is America, vote with your dollars, freedom of speech, baby. But please don't boycott an entire company because of a few bad decisions, even if those decisions directly affected us here at Interceptor. However, we're thankful for your kind words, support, and even your harsh criticisms of Fred's hair.
As far as the future of Interceptor and Duke? I think you know who to bet on.
Where to begin? As someone who's only been involved with Interceptor since ROTT, I can't comment as to the development process of Duke 3DR but I was privy to the goings on between GBX and IE (Frederik) at the time. It's no secret that Fred and the guys put everything they had into that project only to have to shut it down, and it killed him and his team to do it. But had Duke 3DR never been born, neither would have Interceptor.
When I came on board for ROTT, the first thing I asked was to play Duke 3DR. I was given a working multiplayer build, played a few rounds, and immediately knew I had made the right decision. There was a lot more finished than I'd thought and I have no question that had the project continued, there would have been something very playable for the fans by 2012. It would have been fun, it would have been free, and it would have been very very Duke. If anything, you can't deny Frederik's reverence for the franchise, and the way in which he managed to capture the atmosphere of what made Duke 3D so great in the first place. Sure, Interceptor has a very different vision of Duke than Gearbox does, but let it be known that we harbor no ill will toward them and certainly would not support a boycott.
And if you think Fred has taken a lot of guff for not being able to see Duke 3DR through to completion - just imagine what the Black Mesa guys had to go through over the years and years of getting that project done. Fan remakes are a labor of love, but love don't pay the bills. Hell, I hope one day Interceptor is the kind of company that has the opportunity to fuck up as royally as Gearbox has on these high profile titles with big budgets. Sometimes it's only when you come back from failure that your true talent really shines through. Just like Duke3DR led Interceptor on the road we're going down today.
Speaking of that, and to the name of this thread, I don't think you should boycott any video game company, regardless of what you may think of their practices, or how they've managed development. Behind all the marketing and PR bullshit and over hyped CEO speeches are developers working their asses off to meet deadlines, pay bills, raise families and lead normal, active lives. Don't take the opportunity for success away from a talented artist, coder or animator because you don't like Randy Pitchford or how Gearbox lawyers treated Frederik. A developer is made up of the sum of its parts, and I'm willing to bet most of the parts of Gearbox Software are made up of hard working guys and girls down in Texas who just want to make kick ass video games.
If you don't like a certain game or certain person, that's fine, shout it form the rooftops, this is America, vote with your dollars, freedom of speech, baby. But please don't boycott an entire company because of a few bad decisions, even if those decisions directly affected us here at Interceptor. However, we're thankful for your kind words, support, and even your harsh criticisms of Fred's hair.
As far as the future of Interceptor and Duke? I think you know who to bet on.
#113 Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:32 AM
DaveyDoomsday, on 16 March 2013 - 01:58 AM, said:
If you don't like a certain game or certain person, that's fine, shout it form the rooftops, this is America, vote with your dollars, freedom of speech, baby. But please don't boycott an entire company because of a few bad decisions, even if those decisions directly affected us here at Interceptor.
I find it ironic that Interceptor seems to have a more diplomatic PR guy then Gearbox.
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#114 Posted 16 March 2013 - 05:16 PM
DaveyDoomsday, on 16 March 2013 - 01:58 AM, said:
Holy shit - this thread
Where to begin? As someone who's only been involved with Interceptor since ROTT, I can't comment as to the development process of Duke 3DR but I was privy to the goings on between GBX and IE (Frederik) at the time. It's no secret that Fred and the guys put everything they had into that project only to have to shut it down, and it killed him and his team to do it. But had Duke 3DR never been born, neither would have Interceptor.
When I came on board for ROTT, the first thing I asked was to play Duke 3DR. I was given a working multiplayer build, played a few rounds, and immediately knew I had made the right decision. There was a lot more finished than I'd thought and I have no question that had the project continued, there would have been something very playable for the fans by 2012. It would have been fun, it would have been free, and it would have been very very Duke. If anything, you can't deny Frederik's reverence for the franchise, and the way in which he managed to capture the atmosphere of what made Duke 3D so great in the first place. Sure, Interceptor has a very different vision of Duke than Gearbox does, but let it be known that we harbor no ill will toward them and certainly would not support a boycott.
And if you think Fred has taken a lot of guff for not being able to see Duke 3DR through to completion - just imagine what the Black Mesa guys had to go through over the years and years of getting that project done. Fan remakes are a labor of love, but love don't pay the bills. Hell, I hope one day Interceptor is the kind of company that has the opportunity to fuck up as royally as Gearbox has on these high profile titles with big budgets. Sometimes it's only when you come back from failure that your true talent really shines through. Just like Duke3DR led Interceptor on the road we're going down today.
Speaking of that, and to the name of this thread, I don't think you should boycott any video game company, regardless of what you may think of their practices, or how they've managed development. Behind all the marketing and PR bullshit and over hyped CEO speeches are developers working their asses off to meet deadlines, pay bills, raise families and lead normal, active lives. Don't take the opportunity for success away from a talented artist, coder or animator because you don't like Randy Pitchford or how Gearbox lawyers treated Frederik. A developer is made up of the sum of its parts, and I'm willing to bet most of the parts of Gearbox Software are made up of hard working guys and girls down in Texas who just want to make kick ass video games.
If you don't like a certain game or certain person, that's fine, shout it form the rooftops, this is America, vote with your dollars, freedom of speech, baby. But please don't boycott an entire company because of a few bad decisions, even if those decisions directly affected us here at Interceptor. However, we're thankful for your kind words, support, and even your harsh criticisms of Fred's hair.
As far as the future of Interceptor and Duke? I think you know who to bet on.
Where to begin? As someone who's only been involved with Interceptor since ROTT, I can't comment as to the development process of Duke 3DR but I was privy to the goings on between GBX and IE (Frederik) at the time. It's no secret that Fred and the guys put everything they had into that project only to have to shut it down, and it killed him and his team to do it. But had Duke 3DR never been born, neither would have Interceptor.
When I came on board for ROTT, the first thing I asked was to play Duke 3DR. I was given a working multiplayer build, played a few rounds, and immediately knew I had made the right decision. There was a lot more finished than I'd thought and I have no question that had the project continued, there would have been something very playable for the fans by 2012. It would have been fun, it would have been free, and it would have been very very Duke. If anything, you can't deny Frederik's reverence for the franchise, and the way in which he managed to capture the atmosphere of what made Duke 3D so great in the first place. Sure, Interceptor has a very different vision of Duke than Gearbox does, but let it be known that we harbor no ill will toward them and certainly would not support a boycott.
And if you think Fred has taken a lot of guff for not being able to see Duke 3DR through to completion - just imagine what the Black Mesa guys had to go through over the years and years of getting that project done. Fan remakes are a labor of love, but love don't pay the bills. Hell, I hope one day Interceptor is the kind of company that has the opportunity to fuck up as royally as Gearbox has on these high profile titles with big budgets. Sometimes it's only when you come back from failure that your true talent really shines through. Just like Duke3DR led Interceptor on the road we're going down today.
Speaking of that, and to the name of this thread, I don't think you should boycott any video game company, regardless of what you may think of their practices, or how they've managed development. Behind all the marketing and PR bullshit and over hyped CEO speeches are developers working their asses off to meet deadlines, pay bills, raise families and lead normal, active lives. Don't take the opportunity for success away from a talented artist, coder or animator because you don't like Randy Pitchford or how Gearbox lawyers treated Frederik. A developer is made up of the sum of its parts, and I'm willing to bet most of the parts of Gearbox Software are made up of hard working guys and girls down in Texas who just want to make kick ass video games.
If you don't like a certain game or certain person, that's fine, shout it form the rooftops, this is America, vote with your dollars, freedom of speech, baby. But please don't boycott an entire company because of a few bad decisions, even if those decisions directly affected us here at Interceptor. However, we're thankful for your kind words, support, and even your harsh criticisms of Fred's hair.
As far as the future of Interceptor and Duke? I think you know who to bet on.
well to hear from someone who's played duke reloaded and hear something good...i think interceptor should continue with Duke 3D reloaded after development of ROTT is complete
interceptor should make a deal with gearbox regarding Duke 3D reloaded since Gearbox owns the IP. all of us on Duke4 & the people at interceptor probably want this to be released. just think about what i said in this post, also we need a competent Duke Nukem game that is NEW. not the half assed DNF. thats besides the point though : 3
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#115 Posted 16 March 2013 - 05:44 PM
I've always thought that it would be a cool idea for some people at Interceptor to help out on EDuke32. There's nothing saying that they can't help out with that. I don't mean like taking it over I mean like making contributions such as adding new features or fixing old problems. If they helped get multiplayer up and running, that would be awesome, but that's coming in due time anyway. It would probably never happen. I would just think that the more people that can help, the better.
#116 Posted 16 March 2013 - 06:41 PM
My personal wishes are for antialiasing options (either standard MSAA or post processing FXAA, TXAA, MLAA, etc) and 3D sound support (true multichannel surround sound).
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#117 Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:08 PM
Spirrwell, on 16 March 2013 - 05:44 PM, said:
I've always thought that it would be a cool idea for some people at Interceptor to help out on EDuke32. There's nothing saying that they can't help out with that. I don't mean like taking it over I mean like making contributions such as adding new features or fixing old problems. If they helped get multiplayer up and running, that would be awesome, but that's coming in due time anyway. It would probably never happen. I would just think that the more people that can help, the better.
While we're wishfully thinking, it'd be a cool idea if all the coders in the world could help out EDuke32 as well. Don't know why the fantasy should be specific to only Interceptor.
But wait, are we sure we'd want Interceptor to touch EDuke32?
This post has been edited by Radar: 16 March 2013 - 07:13 PM
#118 Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:43 PM
Radar is right.... we should ask John Carmack to help out.
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