[Kathy]

 fuegerstef, on 30 July 2013 - 03:16 PM, said:

But, they also said they will most probably patch in stuff later (multiplayer bots, for example). So why shouldn't manual saves be among the things to be patched in too.

Because the game is built around ranking system. I doubt they'll do manual saves.

[NightFright]

They also complained about missing quicksaves in Hard Reset and it didn't happen. Ofc, it's a different dev team, but people also demanded it there badly. Didn't help in the end. Anyway, it's still a very playable game with great action and nice graphics for an indie shooter. In the end, I don't think ROTT will fail badly only because it relies on checkpoints.

However, if it is as Tom Chick says, they should maybe add an additional "Are you sure?" question when choosing "Restart Map" after dying, just to avoid accidental clicks (personally, I would never pick that option intentionally, anyway - too hardcore xD).

[Player Lin]

 Kathy, on 31 July 2013 - 07:12 AM, said:

Because the game is built around ranking system. I doubt they'll do manual saves.

Serious Sam 3 has leader board system and they still use manual saving(and with auto-saving points that can be disable).

It's not excuse for lack of manual saving, at least there was a game used UE3 can manual saving.

[Skulldog]

It's now unpacking.

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[Ronin]

Found 2 reviews, so far.
http://www.incgamers...he-triad-review

http://www.softpedia...ew-372239.shtml

[Lunick]

Ronan, on 31 July 2013 - 09:01 AM, said:

Found 2 reviews, so far.
http://www.incgamers...he-triad-review

http://www.softpedia...ew-372239.shtml

Ouch...

[Ronin]

Lunick, on 31 July 2013 - 09:10 AM, said:

Ouch...

Kind of what I was expecting, I'm just back from work now I have the game installed and ready to rock, but I'm a bit worn out and will sleep for an hour before I play it with a few beers then make my own mind up.

[Lunick]

I have half a dozen people playing the game on my Steam friends list at the moment and my pre-load is taking forever to unpack Some of said friends are crashing on the first level though :X

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Although I was planning to preorder the game, I chose not to do so and instead will wait until the rest of you chip in before making a purchase. From what little I have heard, this game is absolutely getting skewered.

[Lunick]

http://www.pcworld.c...ll-explode.html 4.5/5 Stars

http://popcultureblo...e-package.html/

http://stickskills.c...ultra-violence/ 8.5/10

As well so far.

[Marphy Black]

DaveyDoomsday, on 11 June 2013 - 05:23 PM, said:

Yes, you will be able to turn off the combo x2,x3,x4 messages and most on screen text. While most of our guys love it some of our old schoolers definitely want to turn it off. So, we're gonna let you!

Mr. Davey, if you're still reading here, where is this option? I don't see any way to toggle the onscreen points and combo messages.

[uraganotkirki]

Don't want to spam out the main thread until I get a proper playthrough.
Just a random moment I got:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpNDO4cEpGA

Though I think I'd be giving too much credit if this place was deliberate.
Note: I find the game enjoying.

[Kathy]

uraganotkirki, on 31 July 2013 - 03:30 PM, said:

Don't want to spam out the main thread until I get a proper playthrough.

Yeah, it's my duty to spam!

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Though I think I'd be giving too much credit if this place was deliberate.

Sometimes ducking works.

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Note: I find the game enjoying.

I got stuck and then instakilled when I got between stone and a ceiling. Checkpoint was ages ago...

[Mr.Deviance]

It's not very clear yet but from what I've seen posted on the steam forums and on other forums, this game is said to be filled with bugs.
I didn't bother to grab it yet but I will report on it's status after I grab it.
If the game is actually good, I might even decide to stop calling Fresch a useless hipster.
Last year I predicted in this topic that it will be shit and barely achieve a 6 on metacritic.
If by next month, this game scores more than 6 on metacritic I will give these mother fuckers less shit if and when they decide to make their next game.

[Jblade]

The impression I get elsewhere is that the game is a bit janky, it's fun, but the checkpoint system is very poor and needs to go. I'll be picking this up as soon as I get a better computer eitherway.

[uh . . . .]

Mr.Deviance, on 31 July 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:

It's not very clear yet but from what I've seen posted on the steam forums and on other forums, this game is said to be filled with bugs.
I didn't bother to grab it yet but I will report on it's status after I grab it.
If the game is actually good, I might even decide to stop calling Fresch a useless hipster.
Last year I predicted in this topic that it will be shit and barely achieve a 6 on metacritic.
If by next month, this game scores more than 6 on metacritic I will give these mother fuckers less shit if and when they decide to make their next game.

ur so cool

[Striker]

DaveyDoomsday, on 19 July 2013 - 06:30 PM, said:

WOAH WOAH WOAH

What is all this about the checkpoint system? It's not your typical UE3 checkpoint system like Bioshock: Infinite where if you die you lose tons of progress. That would suck. There's enough checkpoints in each level that no matter where you die you'll never lose more than a minute or so of progress. We made sure of that. Also, you can play from any checkpoint at any time with any character and it will start you with the same weapons that you had. So it's practically saving. In fact it's as close as we could get to save states without having actual save states, which is simply not something we could accomplish with our limited resources and budget. If you want to get technical about it, I'd let Fred explain that, but this Escapist article sums up pretty well why it's so hard to have save states in modern games unless you have a giant budget like Skyrim:

http://www.escapistm...heckpoint-Saves <-- Seriously, read this.

Personally, I was against the checkpoint idea at first, I hated the thought of it, but given our limited options and after seeing how we implemented it and how it works with our style of gameplay, I think it actually makes more sense than having manual saves. Especially given the arcadey, high scoring style of ROTT. And I stand by the system knowing that it works well and that it was a serious pain in the ass for the guys to have in place. You know Frederik is as old school as it gets, so if we were going to be forced to use a checkpoint system, you know he'd make sure we did it right. Trust in the hair, people.

Meanwhile, if that's the only thing you guys are unhappy with so far in regards to ROTT, then I can deal with that.

Also, our checkpoints have funny names... I wrote them myself... SO LOVE THEM.

Couldn't one take a lot of the work out of it by taking a general memory snapshot/dump? (Including only the necessary information.)

I'd like to know how the Source Engine handles this, to be honest, and if it could translate to Unreal in some form.

[MusicallyInspired]

I assume the Source engine has this built in as every mod supports manual saves. Because of this, I assumed the Unreal SDK also had this by default as much as it had a 3D engine. It just seems like something that should be included.

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MusicallyInspired, on 01 August 2013 - 05:13 AM, said:

I assume the Source engine has this built in as every mod supports manual saves. Because of this, I assumed the Unreal SDK also had this by default as much as it had a 3D engine. It just seems like something that should be included.

It is not that easy with Source. There are a lot of bugs with manual saves in for example Black Mesa. You lose all your weapons if you save in some spots, or you are stuck in the "weapon lowered" position*, etc... Some of theese bugs are only resolved when blocking some paths and prevent you from backtracking, etc...

*) When you talk to friendly NPCs

[Striker]

I'd go for a complete gamestate / memory snapshot in that case. Might make Save Files fairly big, but it's better than nothing.

[Daedolon]

That just makes saves not work after the next patch.

[NY00123]

I also encountered some bugs with manual saves in Serious Sam 2. It happened at least once that I saw less enemies than intended, and worse - couldn't progress at some point (due to a door never getting opened).

[Striker]

Daedolon, on 01 August 2013 - 05:39 AM, said:

That just makes saves not work after the next patch.

Apparently low budget and difficulty of implementation is their problem, so if they want to go the cheap, easy, and less buggy way, that's how they'd go and do it. They may break after updates/patches, but it's still better than nothing. Plus, you still have the checkpoints themselves to fall back on when that happens.

[Kathy]

Besides, it's not a 50+ hour rpg.

[DustFalcon85]

DaveyDoomsday. I just purchased the GOG.com version of ROTT and I tried to map the 'use' 'jump' etc.. to the ABXY and Bumpers on my wired Xbox 360 controller and it didn't map correctly meaning the game doesn't support the 360 controller 100% percent. Is there an update in the works that'll take full advantage of the Xbox 360 Controller? Also put rumble feedback in there. Just made a topic a/b it in the GOG.com forums.

http://www.gog.com/f...t_in_the_future

[MusicallyInspired]

fuegerstef, on 01 August 2013 - 05:19 AM, said:

It is not that easy with Source. There are a lot of bugs with manual saves in for example Black Mesa. You lose all your weapons if you save in some spots, or you are stuck in the "weapon lowered" position*, etc... Some of theese bugs are only resolved when blocking some paths and prevent you from backtracking, etc...

*) When you talk to friendly NPCs

Really? Because that has never ever happened to me and I've played through BM twice and quick save fairly often. I don't "save scum" or whatever either. I didn't even realize that was an issue to be brought up against game design because I didn't realize people were that lame to do something like that. Which is why it sounds like a cop-out argument to me, but I digress. I've never run into this problem ever. Every single player Source mod I've ever played has manual saves without any problems that I've run into. I guess I'm just lucky.

If there's a vote being taken, I don't mind memory snapshots even if it takes longer or uses more disk space.

[Striker]

MusicallyInspired, on 01 August 2013 - 07:08 AM, said:

Really? Because that has never ever happened to me and I've played through BM twice and quick save fairly often. I don't "save scum" or whatever either. I didn't even realize that was an issue to be brought up against game design because I didn't realize people were that lame to do something like that. Which is why it sounds like a cop-out argument to me, but I digress. I've never run into this problem ever. Every single player Source mod I've ever played has manual saves without any problems that I've run into. I guess I'm just lucky.

If there's a vote being taken, I don't mind memory snapshots even if it takes longer or uses more disk space.

Yeah... I never had issue with saving in Black Mesa either, and I saved a lot.

[Loke]

Me neither and I played on Hard the first time around which resulted in A LOT of quick saving and loading.

[Inspector Lagomorf]

The only saving issue I had with Black Mesa was a physics bug, but apart from that I had no problems playing through the game and quicksaving all the time.

[Tetsuo]

This game sure IS buggy.. it's VERY rough around the edges. For example.. stuff like getting caught on items sticking out of the walls during jumping puzzles... gettings stuck on junk in the levels randomly for no reason. One time I even picked up the god mode powerup and got sucked into one of those moving walls that has spikes and slides out to push the person off a platform so I got to see what the other side looked like where they didn't model... etc. and I couldn't escape and had to reload the checkpoint. The game has lots of clipping issues it seems. I wrote more in the other ROTT (2013) thread here.

It almost seems like they didn't do much playtesting with the game.