[Martin]

thelegend4ever, on 11 August 2011 - 05:47 AM, said:

Jack the Ripper was known to rape women and then mutliate them. So although it wasn't directly seen, one can assume, and it's implied, he raped her (in a bedroom...with a prostitute. Nuff said).

Actually, there was no indication that Jack the Ripper raped any of his known victims. He substituted actual rape (using his penis) with simulated rape (using his knife). Being prostitutes, it's unlikely that he would have raped them given 1) There was no indication of rape during any 'Ripper autopsy 2) Why rape a prostitute? Surely raping a 'normal' girl would have been the, uh, 'sane' thing to do? 3) JTR is thought to have been a smart man, with the strong possibility of a medical background. A person such as this would have known to avoid sexual intercourse with prostitutes during an era of widespread venereal disease and non-existent contraception (there are cases of contraception during this era, but it was in it's infancy and considered a wild practice with lots of fears surrounding it). Ergo, there's no reason to say that he "was known to rape women and then mutilate them". He killed them quietly, and once they were dead he cut them up.

[Luther Blissett]

thelegend4ever, on 10 August 2011 - 06:59 PM, said:

Although I don't think DNF is as bad as people claim, I personally think Duke's personality was best represented in Zero Hour...followed by 3D. Zero Hour had such a dark atmosphere, that up to that point, was never explored in the older games. He still kept the smartass attitude, and even interacted with other characters (JAck the Ripper and General Custard), but kept them both to a minimum while still being Duke. Although the game had it's share of sexual innuendo like signs that'd say "More meat than your mouth can take!", and Duke even witnessing a rape (Nintendo must've really opened up by that point), they all took a backseat to the overall core action of the game...which I loved. To me, DNF tried too hard at this, but the action overall was good. It just didn't feel as flawless like it did in ZH or 3D. I personally didn't mind the strip club stage, but The Hive is an completely different story. It felt awkward, and it felt off. The part that really disturbed me, besides the women getting pregnated by aliens, was the part where the Wholesome twins were dying and Duke acted like he didn't give a fuck. For once, I thought Duke was a heartless douchebag. The old Duke Nukem would NOT'VE acted that way. I'm not saying he would've cried, but he definitely would've showed concern and would've made it a goal to avenge what happened to them (case in point, ZH after he witnesses Jack the Ripper raping and killing that woman). In DNF, he was just like "Well, that sucks, movin on". I blame the writers...which is crazy considering that the writers ARE WOMEN. Overall, I like DNF, but the best version of Duke's personality is def in those games I've mentioned earlier.

Actually the Hive part was the best. Duke is a TRUE badass. Nothing could be done for the twins , so he moves on WHILE telling the alien queen that she's going to get it for that:). Did you miss that? That's really Duke , in 3D you didn't save ANY of the babes either, missed that too i guess? He just made everything right again, but the damage was done and he was not crying nor whining like a bitch. He was dealing bullets.

And i fucking loved having to kill those women crying for their dads in the Hive. Fucking genius. It was all America could NEVER get. If you kill a bad guy in SOF 2 and go for a surgery on his brain its all right. If you do the same in DNF with some ALIEN INFESTED ( keywords ALIEN INFESTED) women all hell breaks loose. People get disturbed (really?), uncomfortable...does it ring a bell?? That's what 3DR always aimed for with their games , be it through racial insults ( which i loved ) in SW or tits and guts in DN3D (stripper died in a pool of blood and cash, how fucking genius and sexist is that? Loved it back then, love it now).


By now you should have somehow realized that i LOVE DNF and i really hope we get some kind of SP DLC that maanges to disturbe people even more. That's all i ask from a Duke game. And that s why i ll never accept ZH MP LOTB and that other shit as Duke games. They were not daring, over the top. SW was a LOT more Duke than all of them combined.

My useless 2cents. And damn, you make me feel like storming the Hive again later tonight.

[Jimmy]

For the record, it didn't disturb me it just felt stupid and completely out of place.

[Hendricks266]

Martin, on 11 August 2011 - 05:00 AM, said:

As far as imagery is concerned, there's one and only one thing you're missing - unused Duke Nukem 3D graphics for a dead babe impaled on a cocoon thing.

[Mikko]

Captain Awesome, on 11 August 2011 - 10:09 AM, said:

For the record, it didn't disturb me it just felt stupid and completely out of place.

Neither adjective makes any sense. The Hive was Duke3D in 2011.

[Jimmy]

Doesn't matter to me. I didn't feel that Duke needed to be shocking or edgy. Shocking and edgy are for douchebags worried about what other people think.

[TerminX]

Captain Awesome, on 11 August 2011 - 11:05 AM, said:

Shocking and edgy are for douchebags worried about what other people think.

Hey, that explains most of your posts!

Oooh, burn.

[Jimmy]

Hmph! You've done it now! Now I have to go listen to Less Than Jake and Alkaline Trio!

[TerminX]

Hahahahaha.

[Mikko]

Captain Awesome, on 11 August 2011 - 11:05 AM, said:

Shocking and edgy are for douchebags worried about what other people think.

Yes, because I'm sure businesses can thrive without considering what people think...

[Jimmy]

I'm not concerned about business. I'm concerned about a good product.

[BraveTriforcer]

And the business has to function well to make a good product.

[Mad Max RW]

Luther Blissett, on 11 August 2011 - 09:51 AM, said:

It was all America could NEVER get.

The fuck? DNF sold better in America than anywhere else on Earth. Using your logic, the only reason you love the game so much is it was the fastest torrent you can find in whatever third world country you live.

[Martin]

So.. what did y'allz think about the article?

[BraveTriforcer]

My problem with the humor is that alot of the jokes are just there for the sake of having a joke. Not alot of the jokes seem to be the result of the situation calling for it or the joke just feeling right, but because the writer thought it'd be funny to have it there. Like when that car hits the crane you're riding? The "Uh-oh" Duke says complemented the scene and was worth a chuckle because it works as a joke despite not having much to it. Then when Duke gets up and starts to head out, he says "Looks like this is where I get off".

No real wit, no point, and no laughs from me. I mean, if Duke phrased it right or used a more original line, it could have been a nice follow up. Maybe even taking a second to wonder how the hell the aliens launched a car at him like that could have been a nice Lampshade Hanging:

http://tvtropes.org/...ampshadeHanging

(For those who don't know)

But no, just a bland phrase that's there because we wanted a joke there. Didn't really care if it was funny, just tossed something in there. Also, that article mentions a giant alien dildo. I was not offended by this game at all really, but something about that concept makes me feel like it would have pushed me over the line depending on what occurred with said dildo.

[Person of Color]

Thank you so much for posting that, it made my day.

[thelegend4ever]

Luther Blissett, on 11 August 2011 - 09:51 AM, said:

Actually the Hive part was the best. Duke is a TRUE badass. Nothing could be done for the twins , so he moves on WHILE telling the alien queen that she's going to get it for that:). Did you miss that? That's really Duke , in 3D you didn't save ANY of the babes either, missed that too i guess? He just made everything right again, but the damage was done and he was not crying nor whining like a bitch. He was dealing bullets.

And i fucking loved having to kill those women crying for their dads in the Hive. Fucking genius. It was all America could NEVER get. If you kill a bad guy in SOF 2 and go for a surgery on his brain its all right. If you do the same in DNF with some ALIEN INFESTED ( keywords ALIEN INFESTED) women all hell breaks loose. People get disturbed (really?), uncomfortable...does it ring a bell?? That's what 3DR always aimed for with their games , be it through racial insults ( which i loved ) in SW or tits and guts in DN3D (stripper died in a pool of blood and cash, how fucking genius and sexist is that? Loved it back then, love it now).


By now you should have somehow realized that i LOVE DNF and i really hope we get some kind of SP DLC that maanges to disturbe people even more. That's all i ask from a Duke game. And that s why i ll never accept ZH MP LOTB and that other shit as Duke games. They were not daring, over the top. SW was a LOT more Duke than all of them combined.

My useless 2cents. And damn, you make me feel like storming the Hive again later tonight.

You're a jackass...that's all I gotta say. And btw...in DN64, which is a port of 3D, and in ZH, you do in fact save babes. "Guess you missed that huh?"

[December Man]

My reaction to this whole thread



Even though some of the humor might be contrived, at least it isn't the level of Serious Sam 2 contrived. Now THAT humor was forced.

[Mad Max RW]

December Man, on 11 August 2011 - 04:43 PM, said:

Even though some of the humor might be contrived, at least it isn't the level of Serious Sam 2 contrived. Now THAT humor was forced.

And yet its gameplay crushes DNF in every single aspect.

[MusicallyInspired]

Truth.

[Tetsuo]

thelegend4ever, on 11 August 2011 - 04:35 PM, said:

You're a jackass...that's all I gotta say. And btw...in DN64, which is a port of 3D, and in ZH, you do in fact save babes. "Guess you missed that huh?"

I hate to say it but not everyone had an N64 and only experienced Duke on the PC.... Nintendo has a history of demanding changes\cuts to games to make them more politically correct as well. Even arbitrary things like changing dogs to rats in Wolfenstein 3D because killing rats is more politically correct than killing dogs I guess.

BTW I'm really looking forward to Serious Sam 3: BFE! It seems to poke fun at DNF right in the beginning with a part where you pull an eyeball out of a monster.

[OpenMaw]

Tetsuo, on 11 August 2011 - 07:15 PM, said:

I hate to say it but not everyone had an N64 and only experienced Duke on the PC.... Nintendo has a history of demanding changes\cuts to games to make them more politically correct as well.

Which was not the case with Duke 64. Nintendo had nothing to do with the censorship in the instance of DN64. That was a choice made by Eurocom.

[Martin]

Commando Nukem, on 11 August 2011 - 07:30 PM, said:

Which was not the case with Duke 64. Nintendo had nothing to do with the censorship in the instance of DN64. That was a choice made by Eurocom.

A statement like that requires a good source in order to be taken seriously. Even if true, they probably censored it very early on to save time, not having to go back in and change stuff after Nintendo inevitably reject it.

[Jimmy]

BraveTriforcer, on 11 August 2011 - 01:35 PM, said:

And the business has to function well to make a good product.

That would be a good point. However, we see that Take-2 and GBX's business is running pretty well.

[Luther Blissett]

thelegend4ever, on 11 August 2011 - 04:35 PM, said:

You're a jackass...that's all I gotta say. And btw...in DN64, which is a port of 3D, and in ZH, you do in fact save babes. "Guess you missed that huh?"

Ninten-do? Ha. Stopped playing that shit after Supafami. Bought every console of theirs after that but i have just a few games, Mario 64, Zelda OOT - MM , BH4 for GC along with TP and WW and..fuck if i m ever going to play any game coming from PC on the 64 failure. It did decent sales only in the US and that's just because people thought it was going to be SNES 2.

Oh btw i own a port of DN64 for DN collection purposes and i know you can "save" babes pressing the B button. But hey ! Wake up call dumbass! That was NOT the original VISION of the game. In Duke 3D you could only SHOOT em or leave em like that forever,suffering.

Would you say that Wolf3D had rats instead of trained nazi dogs just because Nintendo wanted it that way on their platform?

Don't even get me started on ZH and the such. They can all rot in hell along the teeenZZ who played them , then grew up and swarmed UBBs and Forums praising those shitty games.
Not envisioned by 3DR,hence, the shit. Just go on playing ZH and bashing DNF. Makes a whole lot of sense.

There you go smartypants. A LOT of people played DN64 mainly for the lulz of seeing every one liner BUTCHERED and edulcorated. That doesn't make it the OFFICIAL version of duke 3D.

Duke is ready to sacrifice some women for the sake of the world. Nintendo was not.

[Tetsuo]

"edulcorated" I think the word you where looking for is "adulterated".

[OpenMaw]

Luther Blissett, on 11 August 2011 - 10:31 PM, said:

Don't even get me started on ZH and the such. They can all rot in hell along the teeenZZ who played them , then grew up and swarmed UBBs and Forums praising those shitty games.
Not envisioned by 3DR,hence, the shit. Just go on playing ZH and bashing DNF. Makes a whole lot of sense.

You know, I was fine with you having a differing opinion than mine, but when you start shitting on me for liking Duke Nukem Zero Hour, and lumping the lot of us into a group... Fuck you, and your retarded, overtly depraved opinion.


Incidentally, Duke Nukem Zero Hour was very much included in the 'canon' of the Duke universe: Scott and George had a lot of input into the game. They even came up with quite a few ideas for it. So don't even spout that bullshit about it not being part of the "vision" of Duke. Because it's horse shit to say that.

[Tetsuo]

One thing I can kind of agree with is Duke could have shown more outrage over what was being done to his beloved babes. It was excusable in Duke3D because of the rudimentary nature of the sprites and the sound system\interaction and such but less so in DNF On the other hand Duke isn't an MD or scientist and I don't think he would be able to save them from their horrific fate unless they had a plot point where they gave him a special alien DNA detecting exctractor for removing what was implanted in them before it kills them. To have a button where you just "save them" is like waving a magic wand over the problem.

[OpenMaw]

Tetsuo, on 11 August 2011 - 11:00 PM, said:

One thing I can kind of agree with is Duke could have shown more outrage over what was being done to his beloved babes. It was excusable in Duke3D because of the rudimentary nature of the sprites and the sound system\interaction and such but less so in DNF On the other hand Duke isn't an MD or scientist and I don't think he would be able to save them from their horrific fate unless they had a plot point where they gave him a special alien DNA detecting exctractor for removing what was implanted in them before it kills them. To have a button where you just "save them" is like waving a magic wand over the problem.

I just cant help but think... Ya know, he was touted as this guy who saves our chicks... Yet he saves what? two women in the entire game? (Elevator Bitch and Duke Burger Bitch)

Especially since it was apparently supposed to be part of the plot. This was supposed to be the aliens doing something to personally upset Duke... He barely shows any anger, aside from those two very brief moments of outrage, which are undercut by the retard-humor that comes inbetween.

You can say a lot against the N64 games, but at least the honored the spirit of Duke Nukem actually saving the babes. Something 3DR was trying to get us to believe Duke did in the 2001 trailer. Something that was going to play heavily in the movie back in the late 90's/early 00's.

Needless to say, the mood was all screwy in DNF, mostly I think because the game was a really sloppy patching together of "pieces" of a game.

[thelegend4ever]

Luther Blissett, on 11 August 2011 - 10:31 PM, said:

Ninten-do? Ha. Stopped playing that shit after Supafami. Bought every console of theirs after that but i have just a few games, Mario 64, Zelda OOT - MM , BH4 for GC along with TP and WW and..fuck if i m ever going to play any game coming from PC on the 64 failure. It did decent sales only in the US and that's just because people thought it was going to be SNES 2.

Oh btw i own a port of DN64 for DN collection purposes and i know you can "save" babes pressing the B button. But hey ! Wake up call dumbass! That was NOT the original VISION of the game. In Duke 3D you could only SHOOT em or leave em like that forever,suffering.

Would you say that Wolf3D had rats instead of trained nazi dogs just because Nintendo wanted it that way on their platform?

Don't even get me started on ZH and the such. They can all rot in hell along the teeenZZ who played them , then grew up and swarmed UBBs and Forums praising those shitty games.
Not envisioned by 3DR,hence, the shit. Just go on playing ZH and bashing DNF. Makes a whole lot of sense.

There you go smartypants. A LOT of people played DN64 mainly for the lulz of seeing every one liner BUTCHERED and edulcorated. That doesn't make it the OFFICIAL version of duke 3D.

Duke is ready to sacrifice some women for the sake of the world. Nintendo was not.

Everytime I read one of your posts I feel that I have to lower my IQ quite a bit...only for it to take awhile to raise up again. Anyways, although it was never stated DN64 was the "true" vision of 3D, it's defintely one of the MOST, if not the most, praised games in the series. Hell, even George and Scott STILL praise that game. You say alot of people played it for th laughs, but do you remember, the DN series is basically a comedy series? Guess you missed that huh? So again, I will say, you're a jackass.

And Zero Hour is an amazing game. It's dark, humorous, and does a perfect job of showing Duke's personality. Like Commando Nukem said, Geroge and Scott had alot of input of the game. It's well documented that they were so over protective of the franchise, that they made it a goal to implement some ideas of their own in each game. It seems by reading your posts, you know shit about Duke Nukem the character, or the series itself. Just sayin...