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360 Demo Leaked? Do not support piracy!

User is offline   DavoX 

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#331

It is in front of you. In the forum rules.
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User is offline   Mad Max RW 

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View PostDavoX, on 15 May 2011 - 10:18 AM, said:

It is in front of you. In the forum rules.


If they added something about "NO DEMO LEAK DISCUSSION or mentioning it or whispering about it or anything of the sort" in the forum rules that was AFTER they started handing out bans left, right and center. And typically when a new rule is added there's an announcement to prevent something like this from happening. Stop being an apologist idiot. The fact remains Gearbox handled this thing extremely poorly.

This post has been edited by Mad Max RW: 15 May 2011 - 10:26 AM

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User is offline   DavoX 

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That's the whole point. Saying "no demo leak discussion" defeats the purpose of pretending it doesn't exist.

It does say "no leaked materials discussion" in the forum rules.

This post has been edited by DavoX: 15 May 2011 - 10:52 AM

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User is offline   Mad Max RW 

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View PostDavoX, on 15 May 2011 - 10:52 AM, said:

That's the whole point. Saying "no demo leak discussion" defeats the purpose of pretending it doesn't exist.

It does say "no leaked materials discussion" in the forum rules.


Then explain to me how we're supposed to know it's a ban-able offense? Mind reading? The "no leaked materials" thing was added after the fact. I've been keeping a close eye on the forum rules and how the moderators run the place for a long time. They need a whole new staff because the current one can't handle it. Treating the regular forumgoers as criminals isn't going to help sell copies of their game.

This post has been edited by Mad Max RW: 15 May 2011 - 11:00 AM

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User is offline   Hank 

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View PostMad Max RW, on 15 May 2011 - 10:21 AM, said:

If they added something about "NO DEMO LEAK DISCUSSION or mentioning it or whispering about it or anything of the sort" in the forum rules that was AFTER they started handing out bans left, right and center. And typically when a new rule is added there's an announcement to prevent something like this from happening. Stop being an apologist idiot. The fact remains Gearbox handled this thing extremely poorly.

Any leak constitutes an illegal object or subject. I did sign up at Gearbox in fall, read and understood the conditions under which I was given privilege to post there and will comply with them. Ditto here.

Gearbox has this site for fans; not for hackers, thieves or pirates. The timing was right. You enforce guidelines when they get broken. There were no new rules added to the forums.

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This post has been edited by Hank: 15 May 2011 - 12:47 PM

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User is offline   Dukefan24 

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View PostWheatleyNukem, on 15 May 2011 - 09:10 AM, said:

I was given an infraction. They should just remove the "Never" and replace it with 2 weeks. They didn't warn me, just straight up Infraction.

I also got a 5 point infraction that never expires. The only thing I did way saying 'something very precious has been stolen' in the demo thread. They're indeed acting like this leak never exists.

GBX is starting to build more ego than the king himself!
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User is offline   Commando Nukem 

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View PostDukefan24, on 15 May 2011 - 11:55 AM, said:

I also got a 5 point infraction that never expires. The only thing I did way saying 'something very precious has been stolen' in the demo thread. They're indeed acting like this leak never exists.

GBX is starting to build more ego than the king himself!


Hahaha! Talk about friendly fire.
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User is offline   Hool 

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When the full game and publc demo is released, I am (politely) going to ask on the forums to have my infraction removed.
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User is offline   Spirrwell 

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View PostDukefan24, on 15 May 2011 - 11:55 AM, said:

I also got a 5 point infraction that never expires. The only thing I did way saying 'something very precious has been stolen' in the demo thread. They're indeed acting like this leak never exists.

GBX is starting to build more ego than the king himself!

That's the whole point, the less people that know, the better.

In response to Mad Max, the rules haven't changed since May 4th, that was before the leak hit.
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This post has been edited by Spirrwell: 15 May 2011 - 01:22 PM

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User is offline   DN4EVR 

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Apologists, GBX apologists EVERYWHERE.

or better yet.......Mods, mods never change.....
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User is offline   muskydragon 

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Just got back from playing the Demo at a friends house. The Demo does seem to appear to be leaked Pax Demo. Then again I can't really say until the unleaked version shows itself hopefully next week.

Regarding my Post locked by the Admin who thinks I am trolling. Seriously give me your email ill forward you the email from pc gamer.

If I was trolling.. seriously I wouldn't give a shit and post... but I am not a liar when it comes to developing video games or talking to people in the gaming industry.
Obviously the Mods and people on these forums are fucking jealous and that is fine.
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User is offline   muskydragon 

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#342

Also "Green" sadly the admin or one of the Mods blocked my ability to see the Private Message System... so the pm's you sent me.
I cannot read them!

Guess the Real Trolls at Gearbox don't want me leaking anything to you or like the fact I am taking money away from them.

Concerning the new video posted up on the front of the page. I swear in the video it shows 2 dukes fighting an Assault Commander. Confirmation on Coop or Multiplayer Coop?

This post has been edited by muskydragon: 15 May 2011 - 01:39 PM

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User is offline   DN4EVR 

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Hey musky, could you edit some of the rambling in those two posts above to make it more comprehendable? Not dissing you I am just tired and it's hard to read is all.
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User is offline   Micky C 

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#344

There is no coop in DNF. This has been stated many times by George and Randy.

Also Muskydragon, you are aware that you just double posted, when you could have easily just edited the first one. No wonder the mods are coming down on you, especially since you seem to be complaining about them a lot here.

This post has been edited by Micky C: 15 May 2011 - 01:52 PM

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User is offline   randir14 

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View Postmuskydragon, on 15 May 2011 - 01:37 PM, said:

Concerning the new video posted up on the front of the page. I swear in the video it shows 2 dukes fighting an Assault Commander. Confirmation on Coop or Multiplayer Coop?


That's the Holoduke.
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User is offline   angelo86 

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View Postangelo86, on 13 May 2011 - 04:00 PM, said:

I have been banned......... :D :( :(


I have been unban! :)

This post has been edited by angelo86: 15 May 2011 - 03:30 PM

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I know :) I just saw a really worrying vid
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User is offline   Commando Nukem 

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View PostSinisterambo, on 15 May 2011 - 03:38 PM, said:

I know :) I just saw a really worrying vid


Care to elaborate?
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User is offline   Person of Color 

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View PostSpirrwell, on 15 May 2011 - 01:19 PM, said:

That's the whole point, the less people that know, the better.

In response to Mad Max, the rules haven't changed since May 4th, that was before the leak hit.
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It never said you couldn't discuss it...just that you couldn't post stolen material. The two are completely different.

As quite possibly the biggest Gearbox apologist here, I can safely say that Adam and Chris can kiss my ass. They need to be replaced stat.

As a community manager, you are representing your company. You are in charge of the most intimate form of communication most fans will ever have. Do not fuck with your fans. Do not fuck with your clients. Do not fuck with the customer, ever.

That's one of the very few low level jobs where if you act like an asshole, everyone above takes the hit with you. It's like having an ambassador show up at the U.N. drunk off his ass.

I would terminate them immediately if I worked there. And I am a man who strongly believes in second chances.

This post has been edited by Descent: 15 May 2011 - 04:24 PM

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User is offline   MrBlackCat 

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View PostDescent, on 15 May 2011 - 04:23 PM, said:

It never said you couldn't discuss it...just that you couldn't post stolen material. The two are completely different.


What about the title? "Do not discuss piracy!" seems pretty comprehensive.

"Do not discuss piracy! Don’t talk about stealing. Don’t ask how to steal, or provide instructions on how to do so. The topic is strictly forbidden. Don't post stolen materials. This includes magazine scans and other copyrighted materials."

And it does directly say "The topic is strictly forbidden." I read that as pretty absolute... but I am late to the topic, so maybe this is out of context.

Just sayin...

MrBlackCat

This post has been edited by MrBlackCat: 15 May 2011 - 04:40 PM

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User is offline   Assblaster 

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Me thinks this has to do with talk2 more than gearbox. Randy does not look like the type to get bent out of shape because of a few months old demo that everybody has seen and played before. Plus it can only be played on mod 360. This has to be the most over drama thing with a leak I have ever seen lol. Shit valve and id got leaked and I don't remember them going crazy. Hell valve got help from people taking about the leak in the first place.
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User is offline   Spirrwell 

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View PostMrBlackCat, on 15 May 2011 - 04:40 PM, said:

What about the title? "Do not discuss piracy!" seems pretty comprehensive.

"Do not discuss piracy! Donít talk about stealing. Donít ask how to steal, or provide instructions on how to do so. The topic is strictly forbidden. Don't post stolen materials. This includes magazine scans and other copyrighted materials."

And it does directly say "The topic is strictly forbidden." I read that as pretty absolute... but I am late to the topic, so maybe this is out of context.

Just sayin...

MrBlackCat

My thoughts exactly. Although I'm going to get shot down about it anyway, so I guess it doesn't really matter.
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View PostDavoX, on 15 May 2011 - 10:18 AM, said:

It is in front of you. In the forum rules.


How many actually read those? We had players who didn't read the terms of service and they caused shit for us.

This post has been edited by The Dukenator: 15 May 2011 - 05:10 PM

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User is offline   MrBlackCat 

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View PostThe Dukenator, on 15 May 2011 - 05:10 PM, said:

How many actually read those? We had players who didn't read the terms of service and they caused shit for us.

Are you talking about a game clan or group or something? (just curious)

Personally, I read all rules on something as simple as a forum... it is only a few lines. 12 Rules is what I see... then some explanation of how they might be used and so on. Only slightly longer than 3D Realms rules for instance.

I can say this... if you know you can be banned from forums, not reading the rules and understanding them seems like a chance you take... and in doing so you surrender your right to be irritated with anyone other than yourself. I guess it falls under the personal responsibility concept in my mind.

Then I realize that my posts don't seem long to me... and are painfully long to others.
Maybe that is the problem... the types of people who don't read posts longer than say five sentences have never read the rules.

Never thought of that before... but still. Rules are rules. If I had a forum, I would have rules, but I would also leave it open to contextual interpretation... like judgement. Judgement circumvents technicalities that following rules can cause sometimes.

As to the bans, I can't comment directly as the posts are removed relative to this subject. Just looking at the rules themselves.

MrBlackCat

This post has been edited by MrBlackCat: 15 May 2011 - 05:36 PM

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View PostMrBlackCat, on 15 May 2011 - 05:30 PM, said:

Are you talking about a game clan or group or something? (just curious)

Its an entire game actually. But we had guilds cause shit for us and other players.
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User is offline   Person of Color 

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View PostMrBlackCat, on 15 May 2011 - 04:40 PM, said:

What about the title? "Do not discuss piracy!" seems pretty comprehensive.

"Do not discuss piracy! Don’t talk about stealing. Don’t ask how to steal, or provide instructions on how to do so. The topic is strictly forbidden. Don't post stolen materials. This includes magazine scans and other copyrighted materials."

And it does directly say "The topic is strictly forbidden." I read that as pretty absolute... but I am late to the topic, so maybe this is out of context.

Just sayin...

MrBlackCat



Under NONE of that does it dictate "leaked information." This includes screenshots and videos. This is part of DNF's subculture. It must be explicitly mentioned.

Normally, this would be a no brainer, but this is how we've gathered data for a decade and you can't just start banning and warning people left and right for something they have always done, especially when they sympathize with you.

This leak in particular ventures into a grey area because everything it contains has already been seen. Banning people for talking about footage/screens that were news back in September is pointless and counterproductive. On top of that, the leak is only functional on modded 360's, and the demo is a few weeks away at most.

Make a sticky, infraction, then ban. Pretty fucking simple.

View PostAssblaster, on 15 May 2011 - 05:05 PM, said:

Me thinks this has to do with talk2 more than gearbox. Randy does not look like the type to get bent out of shape because of a few months old demo that everybody has seen and played before. Plus it can only be played on mod 360. This has to be the most over drama thing with a leak I have ever seen lol. Shit valve and id got leaked and I don't remember them going crazy. Hell valve got help from people taking about the leak in the first place.


Heehee, I still have those leaks. Don't get me started on how dumb id was for getting rid of Trent Reznor. Those alpha sound effects were fucking phenomenal.

I held off on the HL2 beta until after release to toy with it though. There was no way I was ruining my HL2 experience with a buggy shitty beta. Same goes for Duke.

This post has been edited by Descent: 15 May 2011 - 08:23 PM

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View PostStrikerMan780, on 15 May 2011 - 07:35 AM, said:

You seem to toss around the word "corporatist" around rather frivolously, as if you don't fully understand it's meaning. This is a Duke Nukem forum, not a political debate.

Aww, I know it's meaning perfectly and I do point it out frequently because it's the one of the worst quality inhibiting factors that's affecting every single part of every single industry.
If you claim that corporatism is a word that can only be associated with politics, then you are the one that doesn't know it's full meaning.

This post has been edited by Mr.Deviance: 15 May 2011 - 09:46 PM

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View PostMrBlackCat, on 15 May 2011 - 04:40 PM, said:

What about the title? "Do not discuss piracy!" seems pretty comprehensive.

"Do not discuss piracy! Donít talk about stealing. Donít ask how to steal, or provide instructions on how to do so. The topic is strictly forbidden. Don't post stolen materials. This includes magazine scans and other copyrighted materials."

And it does directly say "The topic is strictly forbidden." I read that as pretty absolute... but I am late to the topic, so maybe this is out of context.

Just sayin...

MrBlackCat

2K forums version of that rule:

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Do not pirate stuff, and don't encourage it! Piracy of music, games, and other media will not be tolerated here. Do not post about torrents or torrent sites. This also includes discussions about piracy as a general topic, too, so please don't have them here. Notable exception: We will allow threads about the swashbuckling sort of piratical behavior (smart alec).

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User is offline   coheed82 

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To dukefan24 & mad max RW im sorry to hear what they did. i too was infracted just for the word 'hacking' that was put in a totally innocent sentence in a post on the demo thread..
@ the end of the day they didnt go about it right, ban who put that link up... not ppl who get sucked into commenting about it.
We did not discuss piracy, that to me entails giving links, stating how to do this or that'.. no. All we did was comment like we would in any other thread and they throw us the most ban points they can.. they dont care that probably means for some of us now that we wont be getting the demo? or am i wrong and we get it regardless?
Either way gbx wont say anything, there's suposedly a "surprise' soon but i cant imagine that being the demo FINALLY.
Hell some of us here can have a decent conversation, those of us like me im 29, around that age & up .But the 15yr olds here stickin up for gbx banning us need fukn help seriously. Ive already told myself that i wont be posting @ gbx fac anymore.. @ least here we can all be ourselfes and not fret over every word that we type here.

Mr.Deviance good to see you here checking this forum too mate :)
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User is offline   Dukefan24 

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In some way I understand why Gearbox is removing even the slightest hint to the leak. You know, if it gets too widespread, trolls usually go raving mad saying thins like 'Whaaa I paid for the FAC and now the demo has been stolen FUUUUUU I never buy anything from them again blablabla'. But seen from the other side, denial is rarely ever helpfull if it comes to piracy, as far as you can even call a YouTube video showing an older demo game 'piracy'.

You know what happened to NintendoDS piracy when Nintendo used the strategy of denial of it's existence. It quickly widespread among it's userbase, expanding the overall problem. And those are $30+ games, here it's about a demo game that was not publicly released.

Either way, as much as I like the whole Duke hype, I'm not really into the whole crazyness involved with the FAC and the demo thing. I still love 3DR, GBX, Duke, and everyone involved in finally releasing the badass game soon! :)

This post has been edited by Dukefan24: 16 May 2011 - 12:05 AM

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