[The Commander]

Robman, on 27 February 2015 - 01:49 PM, said:

Commander, you downvoted the best of spock? ... you need your dick slapped with a yardstick.

I clicked the wrong one and who really gives a fuck about rep.
Anyone that bitches about rep I will automatically down vote.

[brownfarted]

Robman, on 26 February 2015 - 04:56 PM, said:

^ This faggotry of the swirling shit-gif can end anytime.

Robman, on 27 February 2015 - 11:20 PM, said:

nah... it just handed the internet over to the darkside on a silver platter.

[Kyanos]

What color was the dress? Ayyy, let's all fight about it while the chess board gets interesting.

[Mblackwell]

Robman, on 27 February 2015 - 11:20 PM, said:

nah... it just handed the internet over to the darkside on a silver platter. Watch the regulations flow. Not overnight.. but slowly .. bit by bit.

You see, they tried ramming this crap through before and failed, a couple times atleast. They softened the wording and bobs yer uncle, your free web is gone.

Spoiler

Because the FCC won't let ya be

I remember when you could get a form of text dial up known as freeweb... FOR FREE! ... html version for $5 a month.
I'm curious.. how much do we pay a month to use the web now? Oh yes right, infrastructure, admin and maintenance costs.

mmmmm, I love my (d)Arpanet.
I'd say it's a pretty advanced project.. wouldn't you?

Tuesday's gone... gooooone with the wiiind.

Uh... this was done now because as it turns out ISPs are shitheads and were talking about doing the very things I mentioned. In fact they've been doing it for awhile but now it's more overt.

Literally all this means is that the internet is regulated in a similar way to phone companies. If you believe anything else you didn't bother to read about what's going on, just someone's opinion of it on some right wing blog.

[Mark]

I would have to make a post so long that would it rival some of CharlesT's best efforts to respond with what is wrong with this new ruling. But, being the lazy guy I am I will just say you are naive if you think the main purpose of this is as narrow and righteous as it is being reported to be. If others start to chime in with some specifics I might add another 2 cents worth to bolster or refute those specifics. In the mean time there will be more to learn as the days unfold and we read and interperet these 322 pages of regulations that we would have had no advanced warning of if it wasn't for a whistleblower a few weeks ago. All I needed to raise a red flag was to hear about the secrecy and to know the people behind the movement to get this done and what they have said in the past about their beliefs and goals concerning the internet.

I have not researched the following yet but I might:
That this has been implemented in Europe and elsewhere and has led to highers costs and stifled growth and reinvestment.

[Ronin]

Robman, on 27 February 2015 - 01:49 PM, said:

Bushings.

Painting your alloy wheels is not wise... it'll be flaking off in no-time flat and look like leopard print ass. Also... 50% is tasteful... 90% is gangster.

After some more thought I'm going to go with 75% tint.....tasteful gangster. I will post a pic when it's done next week.




“If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--forever.”


― George Orwell, 1984

[Robman]

Mblackwell, on 28 February 2015 - 06:25 AM, said:

Literally all this means is that the internet is regulated in a similar way to phone companies. If you believe anything else you didn't bother to read about what's going on, just someone's opinion of it on some right wing blog.

and tv and music .. and ...

[Person of Color]

Mark., on 28 February 2015 - 07:34 AM, said:

I would have to make a post so long that would it rival some of CharlesT's best efforts to respond with what is wrong with this new ruling. But, being the lazy guy I am I will just say you are naive if you think the main purpose of this is as narrow and righteous as it is being reported to be. If others start to chime in with some specifics I might add another 2 cents worth to bolster or refute those specifics. In the mean time there will be more to learn as the days unfold and we read and interperet these 322 pages of regulations that we would have had no advanced warning of if it wasn't for a whistleblower a few weeks ago. All I needed to raise a red flag was to hear about the secrecy and to know the people behind the movement to get this done and what they have said in the past about their beliefs and goals concerning the internet.

I have not researched the following yet but I might:
That this has been implemented in Europe and elsewhere and has led to highers costs and stifled growth and reinvestment.

They already have the power, Mark. All the shady spying shit they've been doing before will continue.

But I'm not going to deny that the 322 pages need to be made public, and that there's probably bullshit buried in them.

Here's the thing - the government doesn't actually want direct control of these pipes. Technically speaking, they never will have full control. Why? They don't need it. Room 641A existed over a decade ago, so we know they could already get inside whenever they wanted. All they need is a "National Security Letter" and they can go anywhere secretly. There's a giant NSA surveillance facility being built in the middle of nowhere, Utah. They have psyops campaigns going on all the time, and anyone who's been viewing 4chan's /pol/ board for years saw them firsthand after the whole Pedowood scandal broke. Although I will say 4chan's successor, 8chan, which is community ran and moderated, has made their campaigns much harder.

The U.S. government doesn't want their behind the scenes shit becoming public, and to be honest, there is very little, if any extra control they can get by passing net neutrality. This is how their game plan works, and it's been successful for decades, even dating back to the old ECHELON system. They set up mass surveillance that runs parallel to the network, which is brilliant and terrifying.

However, I will say that the telcos and cable companies made the mistake of shitting where they ate. We all know how America works - you can piss on the little guy all you want, and tell him it's raining. But you can't piss on every single Fortune 500 company who relies on the cloud for profit, because they outnumber the fuck outta you. When Google starts deploying fiber lines just to prove you and all your buddies are completely full of shit, you need to back off. These guys could have done some smaller, less dickish moves to prop up their dying CATV business and got away with it, but they drew the ire of literally every single high tech company who relies on their customers to be profitable. By extension, the US government gets pissed off because A. They want the US to continue being a technological superpower and B. They want everything as cloud based as possible for data collection.

Keep in mind Tom Wheeler, the head of the FCC, is ex-Comcast, and has been changing his mind on Net Neutrality gradually for months now after outside pressures and Obama himself started honing in. He's seen all the sides of the argument now, and knows the fight is hopeless. Big Cable's lobbying dollars and influence can no longer compete.

This kind of shit happened to Ma Bell in the '82, but even worse. The large cable companies and telcos are no longer in charge of their destiny. They are now dumb pipes. Why? Because they signed their own death warrant.

Verizon's throttling of streaming video and their refusal to wire us an ethernet line to the ONT without spending hundreds caused us to switch. When we first got FiOS it was mindblowing, but they started fucking with it and ended up waiving our ETF without us asking due to hardware failure. We went through seven routers in two years - go load an advanced configuration into a Verizon router and wait. It'll overheat and burn out like clockwork every 3 months, eventually only becoming stable when a fan is blowing on it. Want to run your own equipment? Go fuck yourself! They run coax lines from the ONT outside your house to the router inside. The newer 802.11n router can't be wired in parallel to another and function as a MoCA bridge. If you have FiOS TV, you're fucked now, and have to use their equipment.

The tipping point was discovering that we were just as fucked despite having DirecTV. I was so sick of driving to the Verizon store, then spending 20 minutes on the phone so these pricks could "activate" the router on their network, and then manually reconfiguring everything because these pieces of shit encrypted part of the exported router config file so a different unit of the same model couldn't import my old one.

The moment I heard Cablevision got better again I switched back. Best decision ever. 127Mb down, 37 up, unfiltered as hell. The only limit is 15Mb/s for certain protocols when uploading. Two phone lines. $130/month. That's so cheap it's retarded, it's like European cheap. I can use my own router (Asus RT-N66U) and every month that $130 goes towards a company who supports net neutrality.

I went through this bullshit first hand. I was able to switch. Most Americans aren't. Until we get actual competition amongst ISP's, Net Neutrality is the only thing that is going to allow us to compete on the global stage. No more throttling, no more lies about data speeds, no more horseshit.

[Wienerhole]

Mark., on 28 February 2015 - 07:34 AM, said:

322 pages of regulations

Person of Color, on 28 February 2015 - 09:02 AM, said:

322 pages

[Person of Color]

SEE GUYS IT'S TOTALLY A CONSPIRACY NOW THEY'RE JUST FUCKING WITH US

JUST LIKE SO MANY POT RELATED VIDEOS ON YOUTUBE END IN 420

[Wienerhole]

Ritualistically inclined people do love to embed their symbolism.

[Person of Color]

[Mark]

My worry is not so much what it will do for applying "economic justice" but if this group of regulations are as loosely worded as previous ones, as I suspect until shown otherwise, they will be misused for purposes we never wanted or were told about. I forgot one of guys name involved in pushing this but he was quoted as saying something to the effect of "gaining control of the transmission structure will lead to control of the content".They know what they are doing and where this all leads. I don't think its just me and Glenn Beck that think this.

[Person of Color]

They already have plenty of control over the structure. Jimmy is the only other person I know who isn't shitting their pants over this, and my brother...but that's probably because we already know how bad things really are. This doesn't really open any new doors for them. They already kicked them in years ago.

[High Treason]

I keep waiting for them to charge an "Internet License" - they do it with TV already and they try hard as hell to make you pay that license if you have Internet anyway (and no TV).

I honestly think the eventual goal is to turn the internet into a content delivery system where you can only access certain "channels" as decided by the powers that be.

I shat my ISP up the other month. They have this FTP online which has big zero-filled files on you can use to test your download speed / stability - no coincidence that this site is exempt from throttling due to being hosted on the same network, though it still adds to your bandwidth fee! - I went over there whilst they were adding fibre to another rich neighborhood and found an interesting file in amongst them, it was labelled "SCE_8000_CUST.ROM" or something to that effect, I do have a copy somewhere. There was also a generic firmware for the same device; Cisco's SCE-8000 Service Control Engine.

I asked them about this device the next time I called tech support and the woman must have known something because she sounded terrified, then she got all moody and kept trying to put the phone down on me, eventually she passed me onto this guy who tried putting me on hold so he could connect me to the business support, who obviously had never heard of such a device.

[Wienerhole]

I'm not shitting my pants. Honestly I haven't even been paying attention aside from the amusement at the number of pages.

I agree with you (despite your swing and a miss)... It's obvious that the only goal is to create a "legal" framework to justify to people what is already possible in practice.

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The next thing, Aldrich and Vanderlip began to give speeches and interviews to newspaper reporters condemning the bill. They said: "This bill will be ruinous to banking. It will be terrible for the country." By the time the common man read that in his newspaper he said: "Oh golly, I guess these big bankers don't like the bill very much so it must be pretty good."

[Mark]

IIRC one of the main obsticles this will face in a court challenge is that the FCC does not have the authority to redefine Title II to include the internet. Not that a little technicality like that will stop this administration.

Time to go see a movie. Hopefully lots of good reading when I get back.

[Wienerhole]

Mark., on 28 February 2015 - 09:47 AM, said:

Time to go see a movie. Hopefully lots of good reading when I get back.

One fun take on the whole spying leaks and related things is the possibility of it being done to acclimatize us not so they can "get away with it"... but so we don't flip the fuck out when it's finally revealed that the entire planet has been recorded and documented in excruciating detail for "a long time". Preparing for a world where anyone will be able to view any moment that has happened and nobody has ever "gotten away" with anything in this Petri dish of history.

[Robman]

hmmm, think things like Indefinite detention. Was it going on before? MORE than likely. Is it legal as of last year? Yep.

On December 26, 2013, president Obama signed into law the National Defense Authorization Act of 2014.[25][26] The NDAA provision first signed into law in 2012, which permits indefinite detention without trial, remains law as of 2014.

How enjoyable it must be to squabble about the ingredients of the sausage, while the casing is laced with poisonous spikes which will ultimately gut you.

The internet has thus far played a large role in awaking the public to the tyrannical system we've been born into. It's a problem for them.
Take that away and compliance will be oh-so easy.

I'm sure by now they have a good idea of who it would be that could resist them.

As long as I can stay in my hut and stream porn @ 2gb/s, I don't even care if all the villagers outside are being eaten.

Enjoy the ride guys, we're all fucked
Approx 3 countries left to go before nwo!

[Kyanos]

Then it's clean up time. The pendulum (2 party democracy) will swing so far the pivot breaks. Yada yada yada long live the king.

They have a century old game plan you can read. The protocols of the learned elders of Zion.

[Robman]

Drek, on 28 February 2015 - 11:32 AM, said:

Then it's clean up time. The pendulum (2 party democracy) will swing so far the pivot breaks. Yada yada yada long live the king.

They have a century old game plan you can read. The protocols of the learned elders of Zion.

While I do agree it's ancient force at play...

Good and Evil has been going on for at the very least... recorded "history."
I see it as G&E, I favour the side of the G.

I feel the G could use a tip of the hat for the whole existence thing.

The E can piss off and burn.

I'm just a stupid Canadian though, my literal top-down view of the Americas and old-school DNA are sure to interrupt my programming.

[Mark]

Drek, on 28 February 2015 - 11:32 AM, said:

Then it's clean up time. The pendulum (2 party democracy) will swing so far the pivot breaks. Yada yada yada long live the king.

They have a century old game plan you can read. The protocols of the learned elders of Zion.

We are the priests.... of the temple.... of Syrinx. ( old Rush song for you youngsters )

[Mblackwell]

There's no such thing as a large organization being your friend.

[MYHOUSE.MAP]

I would say something about this but the NWO program to keep me occupied from THE REAL ISSUES is preventing me from speaking against my new masters. I just can't stop watching American Idol and sports like the sheeple I am!

[Wienerhole]

Kudos for your honesty. /hug

[Kyanos]

Mark., on 28 February 2015 - 12:49 PM, said:

We are the priests.... of the temple.... of Syrinx. ( old Rush song for you youngsters )

I saw Rush in Toronto a few years back. I also know Geddy Lee's real name and family history.

[Robman]

Drek, on 28 February 2015 - 03:53 PM, said:

I saw Rush in Toronto a few years back. I also know Geddy Lee's real name and family history.

Neil Peart's cousin Dennis Peart married my grandfather's younger sister(my great aunt.) Dennis died at a young age smothered in a grain bin. .... no joke.


Neil Ellwood Peart, OC, is a Canadian musician and author. He is the drummer and lyricist for the rock band Rush. Peart has received numerous awards for his musical performances, and is known for his technical proficiency and stamina. Wikipedia
Born: September 12, 1952 (age 62), Hamilton, Canada


So there ya go... little known Rush related factoid most won't know.

[Robman]

[ReaperMan]

I feel there will be a new Dark Age with all these idiots declaring war on science.

[Robman]

Life existed before science... there is potential for life not to exist because of science. Thinking cap required.