[Ronin]

Charlie can't help you now, boy.

[Robman]

Ronan, on 21 January 2015 - 01:24 PM, said:

Poor Lo Wang, such a forgotten game. so feeling, much cry...

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Wanted Chuckle's presence in here for some good conversation, not "help."
This thread turns to "shitgifs" w/o him.

[Ronin]

Forgotten by some but will also be discovered by new players for a long time.

[Mark]

Maybe he'll show up in someones future Eduke mod.

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[Hendricks266]

[Fox]

[Robman]

Hendricks266, on 21 January 2015 - 08:39 PM, said:

This is so effed up it's humorous......lol

- Fox you naughty boy.

Ronan -

Give my regards to Thanos.

[Forge]

Fox, on 21 January 2015 - 08:50 PM, said:

*snip*Jesus Christ action figure

all of it's believable except for the over-under pump action shotgun

[Robman]

Forge, on 22 January 2015 - 07:16 AM, said:

all of it's believable except for the over-under pump action shotgun

Oh here we go..... calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean. Woooosah, wooosah.

[Wienerhole]

Speculation mode on.

MrBlackCat, on 17 January 2015 - 07:44 PM, said:

This statement eloquently sums up why I am not even trying to help this guy.

I think it might be a bit presumptuous to assume he needs help. That's a pretty big judgmental leap as it has as its foundation that you are certain you are "righter".

I wouldn't consider Rob a Christian to be honest, as he doesn't seem to put much stock in any of the organized systems. His spirituality seems to be personal, direct, and self guided by inner honesty in the face of outer conflict and paradox. He's just using the Jesus metaphor because it's the one that works best for him. He seems to take full responsibility and neither blames nor credits anyone else "out here" for where he's found himself. He will probably never claim he is where he is because he was led astray by a priest, politician, or scientist.

I also think he knows exactly what he's doing sticking his finger in the grinder here the way he has so...

MrBlackCat, on 17 January 2015 - 07:44 PM, said:

It took me a few years to get in the habit of NOT thinking that I "had it all figured out".

You do think you have it more figured out than Robman, though.

MrBlackCat, on 17 January 2015 - 07:44 PM, said:

This is a good place for me... you might want to consider looking into it. Maybe look into the concepts of Buddhism a bit, as that should not interfere with a Christian Belief.

The most average view isn't necessarily useful. I might have a map of the whole world, but if I'm in New York and need to get to Florida, most of it is useless. A person in China trying to get to Florida needs an entirely different path description.

MrBlackCat, on 17 January 2015 - 07:44 PM, said:

It might strengthen it if you are serious about your religion.

I think he's serious about being honest with himself more than anything else, which is the most important thing as it's up to other people to ignore him if his personal honesty doesn't jive with their own territory they are navigating.

Speculation mode off.

High Treason, on 17 January 2015 - 08:58 PM, said:

After a few seconds of brain activity - the effects of which are unknown, I suspect people might hallucinate in that time - it ceases to function. Nothing, no more. Unknowing and uncaring forever... Sometimes seems rather inviting.

This is purely faith based, and your way of ending the statement is profoundly insightful regarding learning to understand other people's world views based on their inner perception.

High Treason, on 17 January 2015 - 08:58 PM, said:

In short, what you get to experience is exactly what you experienced before you were conceived.

Using that logic, a person with amnesia has every rational reason to believe nothing was going on prior to losing their memories.

"But look at these documents, listen to what we tell you, why won't you just belieeeeeeve!?!?!"

You dismiss the experiences of others because you will only accept your own experiences (reasonable) or the authority of the clergymen in robes, I'm sorry... lab coats.

Ronan, on 17 January 2015 - 08:35 AM, said:

Anyway which god are we talking about...

Now imagine each mirror as a different isolated culture. Certain concepts will be readily understood, some will be so alien as to be completely distorted. Same "truth" trying to express itself... but filtered through vastly different points of view.

We can keep countering each other over having different points of view, or we can try to understand the common source that expresses itself differently depending on the environment it is interacting with. You don't act the same with everyone around you either, nor do you give the same advice to every person.

Ronan, on 17 January 2015 - 08:35 AM, said:

...sounds to me like a fascist. I'm not going to worship anyone or anything...

One person hears The Beatles and says "Yeah, good stuff, makes a lot of sense... would listen to again." They then continue on with their life having integrated the music into themselves and write nothing down.

Another person hears The Beatles and says "OH MY GOD THEY ARE AMAZING! I WOULD GIVE ANYTHING TO HEAR MORE!" They then start a fan club with rules for entry to ensure people are "true fans". They write everything down incessantly with hyperbolic zeal.

Same band, different listeners. The band probably thinks the first person understands them better and would have a drink with them, but still has an appreciation for what the fanatics are trying to do even if the band maintains a safe distance.

Ronan, on 17 January 2015 - 08:35 AM, said:

I find the idea of being a slave unappealing.

What if it is more like being a slave to "look both ways before crossing the street" type of thinking... that has been distorted by simpler thinkers who turn it into "look left, then look right, otherwise be arrested and fined".

[Wienerhole]

Robman, on 21 January 2015 - 12:59 PM, said:

Charlie, where'd you go? Don't leave me here with these guys!

Psshhhh... you don't need any help, you're doing just fine!

Forge, on 22 January 2015 - 07:16 AM, said:

all of it's believable except for the over-under pump action shotgun

I'm pretty sure Jesus was quite adept at handling his boomstick.

[Forge]

CharlesT, on 22 January 2015 - 10:06 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure Jesus was quite adept at handling his boomstick.

over-under shotguns don't have pump action, (they're just like double-barrel shotguns, only with different barrel positioning).
I'm sure somebody could invent one, but it would be unwieldy and impractical.

[High Treason]

CharlesT, on 22 January 2015 - 10:06 AM, said:

This is purely faith based, and your way of ending the statement is profoundly insightful regarding learning to understand other people's world views based on their inner perception.

Using that logic, a person with amnesia has every rational reason to believe nothing was going on prior to losing their memories.

"But look at these documents, listen to what we tell you, why won't you just belieeeeeeve!?!?!"

You dismiss the experiences of others because you will only accept your own experiences (reasonable) or the authority of the clergymen in robes, I'm sorry... lab coats.

1. You're an idiot. No surprises there, it became clear to me some time ago that logical thinking really wasn't on your agenda, possibly was not within your capabilities - for that matter, nor is English language as you have evidently failed to read most of what I wrote regarding these matters.
2. Are you seriously still talking about this crap?

[Wienerhole]

High Treason, on 22 January 2015 - 11:50 AM, said:

2. Are you seriously still talking about this crap?

It's not my fault you didn't take my suggestion to put me on your ignore list again.

Forge, on 22 January 2015 - 11:00 AM, said:

over-under shotguns don't have pump action, (they're just like double-barrel shotguns, only with different barrel positioning).
I'm sure somebody could invent one, but it would be unwieldy and impractical.

That's why Jesus is considered a miracle worker.

[Fox]

High Treason, on 17 January 2015 - 08:58 PM, said:

In short, what you get to experience is exactly what you experienced before you were conceived.

If you die, you won't experience. You won't feel. You won't anything. Most people have problem with that idea because it's impossible to imagine death, since sensations or imagination are also functions of the brain. That frustration often results in the perception of not existing as painful, despite the lack of a neural system to process pain.

CharlesT, on 22 January 2015 - 10:06 AM, said:

Now imagine each mirror as a different isolated culture. Certain concepts will be readily understood, some will be so alien as to be completely distorted. Same "truth" trying to express itself... but filtered through vastly different points of view.

We can keep countering each other over having different points of view, or we can try to understand the common source that expresses itself differently depending on the environment it is interacting with. You don't act the same with everyone around you either, nor do you give the same advice to every person.

That's a paradox. If something is described completely different from what it truly is, is the same thing still being described? If your premises are true, and there is a God that has been communicating with mankind, the religions of the world have replaced it with something else.

[Wienerhole]

Fox, on 22 January 2015 - 12:10 PM, said:

That's a paradox. If something is described completely different from what it truly is, is the same thing still being described? If your premises are true, and there is a God that has been communicating with mankind...

I try to avoid using the word "God" due to the loaded nature of it. "Honesty" would probably be the best word I've found that really puts it in both the tangible and ephemeral form that also has a distinct and at our level of experience, a human personality able to be perceived as absolutely opposed to and incompatible with the adversary: dis-honesty.

We're knot here to win... we're here to untangle the not.

"Earlier" people were warned about externalization of their inner truths not because there is anything inherently "wrong" with building a statue... but because the statue then begins to replace their inner knowing in the same way a GPS begins to replace the ability to navigate yourself, especially for the following generations.

Practical information regarding the nature of self understanding in relationship to "others" has been abused and distorted to the point of being almost unrecognizable these days. However, if you can look past our biased assumptions about what those people "must" have intended based on our current worldviews projecting onto people we've never met, a more coherent and reasonable (and I dare say logical and scientific) understanding emerges. These were tools to understanding working with the material of consciousness, and simpler minds failed to grasp that (or nefarious minds) and externalized almost all of it. There are external results that are related (and thus easily conflated), but it was about understanding how to work with and operate the inner self as it interacts with "the other".

Fox, on 22 January 2015 - 12:10 PM, said:

the religions of the world have replaced it with something else.

Absolutely. They are mirrors that degrade over time or are outright warped/abused. Which is why eventually it's *always* a look inward, the scariest of all places to look often full of the most intense and ugly distortions and veils.

You wouldn't want someone you want to give a hug to hugging a reflection of you as if it were you, would you? Why would "God" or whatever a person wants to call it, want us to interact with religion and its relatives, except as a free will opportunity to learn what "God" is not?

[High Treason]

Fox, on 22 January 2015 - 12:10 PM, said:

If you die, you won't experience. You won't feel. You won't anything. Most people have problem with that idea because it's impossible to imagine death, since sensations or imagination are also functions of the brain. That frustration often results in the perception of not existing as painful, despite the lack of a neural system to process pain.

You're serving to repeat what I said in the first place.

[Wienerhole]

Hear that Fox... you're just a remix in service to the highest of treason.

[Kathy]

CharlesT, on 22 January 2015 - 10:06 AM, said:

Now imagine each mirror as a different isolated culture. Certain concepts will be readily understood, some will be so alien as to be completely distorted. Same "truth" trying to express itself... but filtered through vastly different points of view.

Most likely nothing is "trying" to express itself. It's just people trying to explain how things are by the way of imagination. But when you have no means to experiment and observe it carries you away from the truth you sought to perceive in the first place.

[Wienerhole]

Kathy, on 22 January 2015 - 01:56 PM, said:

Most likely nothing is "trying" to express itself. It's just people trying to explain how things are by the way of imagination. But when you have no means to experiment and observe it carries you away from the truth you sought to perceive in the first place.

How arrogant humanity is when concluding the matter which forms their bodies is conscious, aware, and capable of self expression... but the universe is not.

[Kathy]

What exactly are you talking about?

[Wienerhole]

The reason people touch themselves.

[Ronin]

CharlesT, on 22 January 2015 - 02:02 PM, said:

How arrogant humanity is when concluding the matter which forms their bodies is conscious, aware, and capable of self expression... but the universe is not.

A rock is not concious, when you remove or damage parts of the brain you can remove different parts of conciousness, conciousness comes from the brain, unless the universe is a massive brain or something similar (who knows) it is probably not concious.

Further more is it not arrogant to anthropomorphize the universe? That is probably how man created god in the first place, doing just that.

Inb4 you tell me that the universe is in us and not the other way around or that they are both the same thing both mirrored expressions of each other.

You are creative thinker, that's a good way to be but be wary of jumping (or arriving slowly) to conclusions without evidence, I hope you left a breadcrumb trail to allow you to crawl back out of the rabbithole if you ever feel the need to.

Ronan The Accuser

[Forge]

CharlesT, on 22 January 2015 - 12:02 PM, said:

That's why Jesus is considered a miracle worker.

don't disagree, but I do have doubts about His need for a pump action over-under shotgun

[MrBlackCat]

CharlesT, on 22 January 2015 - 01:05 PM, said:

Hear that Fox... you're just a remix in service to the highest of treason.

Maybe... remix to repeat... and then "Stuck on Repeat" comes to mind now for some reason. Hmmm.
and I don't know how the whole thing started but... never mind.

MrBlackCat

[Forge]

besides, Jesus uses the same Winchester 1300 that Duke uses

[Kyanos]

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That is probably how man created god in the first place, doing just that.

Creative minds, creating their own creator, in their own image, who then creates them in his own image.

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I hope you left a breadcrumb trail to allow you to crawl back out of the rabbithole if you ever feel the need to.

True language barrier is when you realize words mean different things to different people. To me all rabbit holes are one way, back to honesty I guess, the truth cannot be forgotten, you can hide it from yourself but it will never cease to be there.

Anyone read Terry Goodkind? I'm reminded of the white sword.

[Ronin]

Drek, a oneway ticket to a rabbithole is how people allow themselves to become indoctrinated. You need to be able to get in and out at will to try to stay objective.

[Forge]

Drek, on 22 January 2015 - 03:12 PM, said:

Anyone read Terry Goodkind? I'm reminded of the white sword.

nope, I'm a bit on the older side so I read Terry Brooks' Sword of Shannara series which predates the Sword of Truth series by a couple decades.

[Robman]

And that's why Charles is awesome, look at the effort/thought he puts into his posts.
He speculates very well

rofl'd at the slap fight picture.

So as I'm changing the rear axle seals in my explorer today, I couldn't stop saying .... RONAN THE ACCUSER!!!

Who says rabbitholes are bad? ... Alice seemed to have had quite a good/interesting time of things.
Rabbits are nice/soft creatures, herbivores and use them as a den, where's the bad here? hehe.

Fox: What say you to the existence of a "etheric" body?

Rocks? ... Rocks may have a memory ... everything is alive.

Go chew some shrooms and get back to me