[Kyanos]

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You don't think this stuff will end well? Maybe, but then I don't really see burning gas, oil and random crap you found in the ground ending well either. Removing it from the world forever in the process if you want... though really, the fact that you aren't is half the problem .

Exactly my point. The atoms stay, but not as water, just more pollution from a synthesized oil. What is wrong with using electricity in place of fuel burning engines? It's ass backwards, generate electricity, use it to milk atoms from water to make petro. Then burn the fake gas at the cost of fresh water.

[Kyanos]

 Drek, on 19 November 2014 - 05:57 PM, said:

Snowflakes are miracles. To rip out the hydrogen and force it to join with carbon is morbid.

Some presumptions on the beginning of life on Earth include frozen water molecules forcing proteins into geometric shapes that they would not otherwise have formed.

In his likeness, we be ~%65 water.

sorry for the triple post. it is the post thread though...

[Forge]

 Zaxtor, on 18 November 2014 - 08:19 PM, said:

http://www.cnet.com/...ater-into-fuel/

'Miracle' tech turns water into fuel

German cleantech company Sunfire GmbH has unveiled a machine that converts water and carbon dioxide into synthetic petroleum-based fuels.

"Oxygen is removed from this steam to produce hydrogen."

if you're efficiently performing electrolysis of water to produce steam and separate the oxygen from hydrogen, why are you dicking around and taking any further steps?
use the hydrogen for fuel and the resulting emissions will be water

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Hydrogen fuel cells? Oh, but that would be unstable.

[Forge]

 Drek, on 19 November 2014 - 06:03 PM, said:

What is wrong with using electricity in place of fuel burning engines?

we make most of our electricity by burning shit we dig up out of the ground.

electric cars are bullshit propaganda by automotive manufacturers to make wanna-be tree huggers happy

all electric cars do is move the pollution out of the city streets and out to where the electrical energy plant is. If you can't see it, it doesn't exist, right?

electrical cars still have gears, bearings, and other moving parts that still need lubrication - from shit we dig up out of the ground

[Forge]

 Comrade Major, on 19 November 2014 - 06:37 PM, said:

Hydrogen fuel cells? Oh, but that would be unstable.

better to exercise Darwinism on a few idiotic drivers that don't belong behind the wheel of a vehicle in the first place than the alternative


edit: and technically that was an early problem, the next was cost of making fuel cells. Now that both of those are non-factors, the next obstacle is infrastructure/refueling stations. Also cost effective conversion techniques that don't create as much pollution as it's supposed to be replacing (which apparently the company in the original article has solved).

[Zaxtor]

 Comrade Major, on 19 November 2014 - 04:12 PM, said:

Oh great, let's kill oxygen-producing plants while we're at it too. Yes, I see this ending well.

Excess algae is killing marine life, causing more bad than good.

nominal algae is good.

No algae is bad.

[Forge]

 Zaxtor, on 19 November 2014 - 07:32 PM, said:

Excess algae is killing marine life,

dead marine life is where we get coal and oil.
more algae = more gas for my high performance V-8.
More gas = more CO2 in the atmosphere.
more CO2 in the atmosphere = more algae
more algae = more dead marine life.

stop trying to manipulate the circle of poo

[ReaperMan]

 Forge, on 19 November 2014 - 09:34 PM, said:

dead marine life is where we get coal and oil.
more algae = more gas for my high performance V-8.
More gas = more CO2 in the atmosphere.
more CO2 in the atmosphere = more algae
more algae = more dead marine life.

More Dead marine life = more seagulls
More seagulls = more seagull poo
More seagull poo = going to the car wash more often
More car washes = Profit

[Hendricks266]

How did no one notice we are at 500 pages of Post Thread?

Spoiler

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[Kathy]

Do many people here change default value of posts per page? I always have it at maximum. (300 pages here)

[Inspector Lagomorf]

 Zaxtor, on 19 November 2014 - 07:32 PM, said:

Excess algae is killing marine life, causing more bad than good.

nominal algae is good.

No algae is bad.

Same justification we use for logging as well. Anywhere there's a profit motive, "removal of excess trees" turns to "deforestation". Same applies to algae.

[Hendricks266]

 Comrade Major, on 20 November 2014 - 07:44 AM, said:

Same justification we use for logging as well. Anywhere there's a profit motive, "removal of excess trees" turns to "deforestation". Same applies to algae.

You've heard of algal blooms, hypoxia, and dead zones, right?

[Forge]

so you're saying i should stop dynamiting oyster beds for fun?

[The Commander]

 Kathy, on 20 November 2014 - 06:09 AM, said:

Do many people here change default value of posts per page? I always have it at maximum. (300 pages here)

I know how I'm going to lock your browser up then.

[Kathy]

Yeah, because 50 posts instead of 30 will make a big difference.

[The Commander]

Do you ever browse this forum with a mobile device?

[Kathy]

No.

[Lunick]

[High Treason]

What is it with you and these things?

We get it, you like lolis... Oh, wait, did I spell that wrong, oh well, my too late.

[High Treason]

Today I was given an ASUS M2A-VM with a Phenom II HDX920 installed in it.... Whatever that's meant to be. I have no idea what to do with it aside from stealing the stick of DDR2-800, that'll be useful as my last spare one just died.

Edit: Oh, crap, double post.

[Master Fibbles]

Isn't the Phenom one of the newer ATI cards? I don't keep track of ATI since I've been an NVidia person for years.

[Kathy]

I'm guessing you're also an Intel person, right?

[High Treason]

it was produced long after I stopped following the industry entirely. Phenom is a CPU with an AMD logo ob it. Appears to be a 2.8GHz Quad Core from around 2008/2009. Presumably the competitor to the Core 2 Quad Q8400 as on paper it seems it yielded similar performance in desktop applications.

I'm weighing up whether to try it in place of the Core 2 Duo E8200 I have. The E82 machine is slow and has locked down PCI-E slots that don't allow video cards for some reason so it's stuck with a very poor Intel GMA. The Asus board appears to have an AMD chipset and has onboard video, presumably a low-end Radeon equivalent which would most likely outrun the Intel GMA and despite the fact I don't doubt the CPU is severely flawed it would probably give a slight boost. Just not sure I can overcome the level of distrust for anything with their logo on it; historically I do not get on well with post-K6 AMD stuff.

[Master Fibbles]

 Kathy, on 22 November 2014 - 05:15 PM, said:

I'm guessing you're also an Intel person, right?

Generally, yes. I also haven't had the expendable income to buy computer parts in several years so I really have not been keeping up with things. I replaced a broken video card recently, but that is the extent of my PC hardware work/research in the last couple of years.

However, with my recent raise, I may replace my bottleneck CPU with a quad core in January or February.

[Person of Color]

 High Treason, on 22 November 2014 - 05:27 PM, said:

it was produced long after I stopped following the industry entirely. Phenom is a CPU with an AMD logo ob it. Appears to be a 2.8GHz Quad Core from around 2008/2009. Presumably the competitor to the Core 2 Quad Q8400 as on paper it seems it yielded similar performance in desktop applications.

I'm weighing up whether to try it in place of the Core 2 Duo E8200 I have. The E82 machine is slow and has locked down PCI-E slots that don't allow video cards for some reason so it's stuck with a very poor Intel GMA. The Asus board appears to have an AMD chipset and has onboard video, presumably a low-end Radeon equivalent which would most likely outrun the Intel GMA and despite the fact I don't doubt the CPU is severely flawed it would probably give a slight boost. Just not sure I can overcome the level of distrust for anything with their logo on it; historically I do not get on well with post-K6 AMD stuff.

I've been switching between the two companies since I started building systems 12 years ago and I've never had a problem with either. Some of the older Via chipsets on Socket A and earlier suck, but that's about the only caveat with AMD. I started with the Athlon XP and went to the C2D when Intel finally stopped producing crap. Then went back to AMD, then Intel again. Worked on countless systems and owned shitloads of laptops.

The only company who has a habit of producing bunk silicon is Nvidia, IMO.

The original Agena core Phenom 1's with the TLB bug are flawed, but that flaw is totally blown out of proportion. I ran one for a while with the "fix" force disabled and never had an issue. Then my friend did the same for a year. Unless you're using VT, you won't see it.

I've worked with so many Phenom II's over the years, and I owned one myself, I'm not exaggerating when I say it's one of the greatest processors ever. There's nothing it can't do, it's very cheap, it doesn't run super hot, it overclocks FANTASTIC (especially with a black edition chip!) and it's so much more advanced than the C2Q, architecture wise.

The C2Q starts choking when you try to overclock it, and it's performance with DDR3 is T-E-R-R-I-B-L-E. The Phenoms are true quads, not just dual Conroes on a PCB, the memory controller is built onto the die and there's no FSB to worry about. (Bus speed in the BIOS is kind of a misnomer with these). The presence of an FSB on the C2Q ruins the DDR3 performance. It starts to level off above 1066. It also limits the OC potential, at high clocks getting them stable is literally trial and error as you encounter FSB holes. It may not post, but ratchet it up 10MHz, and it'll come back to life. Also, if you do manage sick OC's on a C2Q, the crappy memory bandwidth bites you in the ass.

On top of all that, Intel downclocked the C2Q like cray cray and charged out the ass for faster chips that weren't any faster than the equivalent Phenom II, which was half the price.

Only the very earliest Phenom II steppings can't do dual channel DDR3-1600. Those are obscenely rare.

Always disliked the Core 2 Quad. Lousy CPU by comparison.

[Forge]

 Protected by Viper, on 22 November 2014 - 08:10 PM, said:

I've worked with so many Phenom II's over the years, and I owned one myself, I'm not exaggerating when I say it's one of the greatest processors ever. There's nothing it can't do, it's very cheap, it doesn't run super hot, it overclocks FANTASTIC (especially with a black edition chip!) and it's so much more advanced than the C2Q, architecture wise.

this^

you can clock the hell out of those chips. stable and cool.

that Asus board has decent bios options to let you work with the overclock settings
even though it's a uATX form and the 4 +1 vrm phase count will limit your top end, they're pretty sturdy capacitors

[Person of Color]

I don't know how you've had problems with post K6 AMD chips.

There's more AMD boards with bad chipsets from Via and Nvidia however. Via had a bunch of good chipsets but only the Nforce2 was any good, provided your SATA was handled by a third party chip. Never seen any issues with anything ATI/AMD/SiS/Post KT400 Via.

I had a KT266A board, a Soyo SYK7-V. Junk. Amazing board, horrid chipset. Went SiS, then Nforce 2, brother also had NForce2 and that AMD setup still works, I'm putting emulators and Hyperspin on it right now. Asus A7N8XE-Deluxe, that thing is like the Rolls Royce of Socket A boards, it's got everything from AGP Pro to a dedicated WIFI slot to Silicon Image SATA. Best motherboard I've ever used to this day.

Also my file sever has two 3GB WD Reds and a WD Blue 320 for the OS. It's got an A6-6400k, and the 3TB drives are in RAID 1. I have no issues with the RAID setup. AMD chipsets are great, just as stable as Intel's.

[Forge]

specs:
http://www.cpu-world...XCGIBOX%29.html

on a similar ASUS board, most people are reporting a stable overclock at 3.5GHz without problems. There's more room to go, but you'll have to start looking for aftermarket cooling (hyper 212 is good option for the price)

[Person of Color]

The stock AMD cooler is pretty good though. The stock Intel coolers are so bad I just switch them out for Hyper212's regardless of whether or not they'll be overclocked. They just vomit hot air into the case. Not what you want when you combine that with a $300 video card and VRM's right next to the CPU.

I had to build a Haswell rig back in April for a friend who's basement approaches high 70's in the summertime...that fucker got a Hyper212 right off the bat, and an XFX R9-280X with kick ass cooling. No way it'll ever be overclocked, and it's sure as hell going to last a while on my watch.

Although I just built a new server for my job with a Pentium G3258 in it and it's running pretty chill with the stock shitshink. But that's cause it's a dual core.