[High Treason]

Apparently it's a "Black Edition" so somebody must have needlessly paid for the same chip at double the price.

So... What I think you're saying is that to make this chip any good I will need to overclock it? Why would I do that? Not happening. But I'll see how it runs at stock settings provided it lasts long enough to test, it's lasted this long so maybe it will be decent.

[Forge]

hardly. it's just a very stable cpu with alot of capabilities and potential.
it's coupled with an asus board that's friendly to those kinds of chips.
the bios also has 'generic' overclock settings where all you have to do is select an 'unlock & boost' option. It'll ramp the chip without changing any of the voltages or increasing heat output. Probably set the cpu to between 3.0 & 3.2 Ghz

[High Treason]

It don't got shit, Northbridge appears to be busted as it won't detect hard drives. Well, the board says Asus on it and it's an AMD northbridge, so that figures.

[Forge]

that's right. get a bad used free component that was probably mistreated, then blame the manufacturer.

akin to finding a stick of RAM in the trashbin, then bitching that it's bad because it's corsair instead of kingston

[Person of Color]

High Treason, on 23 November 2014 - 03:09 AM, said:

Apparently it's a "Black Edition" so somebody must have needlessly paid for the same chip at double the price.

So... What I think you're saying is that to make this chip any good I will need to overclock it? Why would I do that? Not happening. But I'll see how it runs at stock settings provided it lasts long enough to test, it's lasted this long so maybe it will be decent.

The difference in price was like $10-15 back in the day. Intel are the ones who really gouge you for unlocked multipliers.

The 920 is an underclocked piece of silicon. Every single one can run higher at stock volts and multipliers. That chip exists so they can service a low price point. Raise the multi so it runs at 3.2 and Prime95 it. Then try 3.4.

Seriously the 920's are just way underspecced from the factory. That is NOT a 2.8!

[Person of Color]

High Treason, on 23 November 2014 - 08:41 AM, said:

It don't got shit, Northbridge appears to be busted as it won't detect hard drives. Well, the board says Asus on it and it's an AMD northbridge, so that figures.

What are you talking about? I've never had an issue with AMD chipsets. Nvidia on the other hand...They've never had good SATA controllers, ever.

Like I said before I'm running dual drives with critical data in RAID 1 on a year and a half old AMD server. AMD's SATA implentation is awesome, it's every bit as good as Intel's! Love it love it love it.

Forge, on 23 November 2014 - 10:04 AM, said:

that's right. get a bad used free component that was probably mistreated, then blame the manufacturer.

akin to finding a stick of RAM in the trashbin, then bitching that it's bad because it's corsair instead of kingston

^^^^^^ This. Usually weird issues like that are due to power supply failure. I never spec poor quality power supplies for so many reasons.

Install both sticks of RAM, so you'll be in unganged dual channel mode with 4GB, and buy a new board for like fifty bucks. Any AM3+ board will do.

The processor alone is worth more than a new board. Do you know what you have there? That's still a gaming grade CPU if you apply a minor overclock.

[Forge]

i'd send you my old ASUS M4A78LT-M board (http://www.asus.com/...specifications/), but i don't think the elitist fanboy in you would appreciate it.

[High Treason]

Oh, I love it when people get contrary about shit that has no impact on them.

Forge, as usual doesn't even bother to construct an argument with any value. Yeah, I blame the manufacturer based on their track record, no, it wasn't mistreated as I know where it came from, at least not compared to the Core 2 E8200 system, that has had far more abuse than this thing ever did from me alone, never mind the previous owner.

Viper does at least try. Any money more is garbage; I can buy a processor at this spec for £150 or I can buy the exact same processor for £200 with a fancy label... Probably more as it was likely only available as a retail package with a snazzy box. Sorry, I fail to see the point in an normal application, I flat refuse to run hardware out of specification. The previous owner didn't overclock either and I doubt this would be a good board to do it with given that it isn't from a reputable brand, but typically the best motherboards don't offer options to run things outside of their specifications anyway.

The low price point argument is rubbish though, because it would surely cost the same, if not more, to make it, given that they all started life as the highest spec model... Seems to me it's the opposite problem, they are charging too much for the faster parts.

I don't give a fuck about your server to be honest, a year and a half? Really? Is that all? My server is over a decade old... It has Ultra-2-LVD Atlas's in it for heaven's sake. One thing is probably similar though, both of their motherboards are only just out of their warranty period. If you want to get with the times, throw that crap out and go NaS.

I'm not wasting money on a new motherboard, I'd rather spend it on something useful. Fifty quid would get me a new SDXC card or a cheap hooker. Totally agree about nVidia chipsets though, I never use them. Some aspects of their performance always seemed amazing but the had flaws that were so bad it just let them down and by the time you'd paid for a good enough board to run one well, you may as well have just board a board with better features using a different chipset.

Yeah, I realize what I have here, more crap that I'm prohibited from putting in the trash can, I guess I'll just leave it behind when I move, it's the council's problem then. Gaming? I'm not a gamer; I don't play games, so I don't really care.

Edit: Elitist fanboy? Are you fucking stupid? I thought it was common knowledge I hated the Core 2 more than any other processor, similarly I thought it was common knowledge that I hated several nVidia products. But I guess having no allegence to your favorite companies (or any in particular, really) makes me an elitist fanboy in your mind. I want whatever you're smoking, because it sure as hell has some awesome side effects.

[Person of Color]

High Treason, on 23 November 2014 - 10:47 AM, said:

Viper does at least try. Any money more is garbage; I can buy a processor at this spec for £150 or I can buy the exact same processor for £200 with a fancy label... Probably more as it was likely only available as a retail package with a snazzy box. Sorry, I fail to see the point in an normal application, I flat refuse to run hardware out of specification. The previous owner didn't overclock either and I doubt this would be a good board to do it with given that it isn't from a reputable brand, but typically the best motherboards don't offer options to run things outside of their specifications anyway.

Asus isn't reputable, you're right. None of them are anymore. Every manufacturer has good and bad models, and with the advent of UEFI, even the good models have bugs.

Don't even get me started on my Gigabyte Z77-D3H. Glitchiest BIOS I've ever used.

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The low price point argument is rubbish though, because it would surely cost the same, if not more, to make it, given that they all started life as the highest spec model... Seems to me it's the opposite problem, they are charging too much for the faster parts.

It's more profitable for companies to offer a lower end part people can afford because otherwise they'll make zero profit from that segment of the market.

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I don't give a fuck about your server to be honest, a year and a half? Really? Is that all? My server is over a decade old... It has Ultra-2-LVD Atlas's in it for heaven's sake. One thing is probably similar though, both of their motherboards are only just out of their warranty period. If you want to get with the times, throw that crap out and go NaS.

I've been building systems with AMD chipsets for years. I've never had an issue with the SATA controllers. The only time I have SATA issues is Nvidia.

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I'm not wasting money on a new motherboard, I'd rather spend it on something useful. Fifty quid would get me a new SDXC card or a cheap hooker. Totally agree about nVidia chipsets though, I never use them. Some aspects of their performance always seemed amazing but the had flaws that were so bad it just let them down and by the time you'd paid for a good enough board to run one well, you may as well have just board a board with better features using a different chipset.

The 750i SLi chipset in Jimmy's PC is the worst chipset I've ever used. It's an amalgamation of silicon with the oldest parts dating back to the NF4 days. It has a north, south, AND east bridge, the latter giving you PCI-E 2.0 X16 slots and PCI-E 1.1 for everything else. The chipset runs so hot it needs it's own fan for even the smallest voltage bump. The better parts that can handle 1333MHz get the east bridge and get turned into 750i's, the ones that can't are binned as 650i's.

That was the single hardest system I've ever had to overclock. It took a week of chasing ghosts and 1.5 pages of settings that had to get taped into the case. Also, it's from 2008 and STILL lacks AHCI because the southbridge is an NF4's.

Why do you hate AMD again?

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Yeah, I realize what I have here, more crap that I'm prohibited from putting in the trash can, I guess I'll just leave it behind when I move, it's the council's problem then. Gaming? I'm not a gamer; I don't play games, so I don't really care.

Then send it to me. I have a poor friend who desperately needs a CPU, in fact, a whole new system for audio editing so he can jump start his career. I'll cover the shipping costs and slip you a $20. Or I'll trade it for something vintage I'm willing to part with.

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Edit: Elitist fanboy? Are you fucking stupid? I thought it was common knowledge I hated the Core 2 more than any other processor, similarly I thought it was common knowledge that I hated several nVidia products. But I guess having no allegence to your favorite companies (or any in particular, really) makes me an elitist fanboy in your mind. I want whatever you're smoking, because it sure as hell has some awesome side effects.

I don't play favorites, none of these companies care about me, with the exception of XFX and EVGA. I'm not a high volume system builder like Dell or Lenovo. Also the Core 2 was one of Intel's best chips, but the Phenom II stole it's thunder after a couple years.

You are coming off as elitist right now, whether you want to or not. Refusing to use a company's CPU's because of the badge is elitism. It's like BMW owners hating on me for driving a Mustang despite my car having more horsepower, and lasting beyond the 60,000 mile mark.

[High Treason]

To be fair, I've never had an issue with AMD SATA as I've never used it before. Why do I hate AMD? I don't, I just don't trust them because after the K6 I never had one that worked for very long. My Duron lasted a few years, in fact the CPU still works, but no motherboards I had on the AMD platform past then have lasted and most of the later processors didn't perform well and died withing a short time frame. Clearly they don't work for me for whatever reason and until they make something that does I'll stay away from them.

Yeah, Forge, send your board to Viper as I'm sure he'd find a use for it, they seem to be better built and better value in his applications.

The problem with the internet is that everyone comes off as whatever suits the reader, whenever it suits the reader. I'm not being elitist, I'm merely stating that I've not had good experiences with this hardware and it isn't about to impress me when right behind it is a machine with thirty years on the clock that - in it's time - was a much greater boost in performance over what it would have replaced and is still working properly aside from a few bad sectors on the hard drive.

[Person of Color]

The Asus Socket A board I have still works. In my experience, the Intel boards are less reliable due to that shitty LGA design they use with excessive pin counts. The DOA rate is much higher with Intel boards, and Newegg reviews can back me up on that.

But you're blaming AMD for faults with cheap motherboards or janky power supplies.

If you aren't going to use that 920, donate it to someone who will, or make $20 from me. It's still a good processor and it's far better than your current setup. Throwing it out is a total waste.

Also, for the record, I have an i5-2500k at 4.5GHz, I sold my AMD setup last year.

[High Treason]

Did you not read that I stated the processors also failed? I usually used decent motherboards, often the same brands I would have used with Intel but back when I built the 64 X2 I was an elitist fanboy for the AMD platform. The 64 X2 and the Pentium D both used the same brand of board, one had a seriously faulty processor and died within a short time frame and the other kept running for nine years, what conclusion am I supposed to draw from that when it keeps happening? Because it sure doesn't look much like the AMD platform is any good to me. I'm sure you've blamed my power supplies for something before so you should know by now that I always use Seasonic or Corsair supplies - the latter I think are Seasonic anyway with a Corsair badge and slightly altered chassis.

You simply cannot get me to change my mind when the evidence stacks up like this - literally; I have a pile of dead AMD stuff that I've slowly been burning as there's nowhere to get rid of it around here - and every Intel system I encountered is either still working or was until recently. You do realize that the motherboard manufacturer has to design their board with the BUS AMD or Intel specify right? For the chipsets supporting those processors and then provide software (A whole load more hassle) to actually make it work in an operating system. For whatever reason it seems components for AMD processors are of lower quality and the processors themselves do not have the longevity when used in the way I use them. 90% of old AMD systems I find are dead and get redirected to the trash pile, around 60% of Intel systems are alive or only require minor repairs - usually because people used crappy hard drives.

I'm not sure it's better than the Q8400... But it wouldn't take a lot to beat that thing, my D920 destroyed it when encoding. That's my current setup, the E8200 was a fire damaged school computer that I never really used anymore, it was built to handle live streams but when Twitch set their requirements higher than my DSL line could supply it just gathered dust.

Unfortunately I can't be bothered with the hassle of un-bolting the heatsink and dealing with the post office, the last time I sent a CPU they got mad about it being electronic, insisted it contained toxic metals (I suspect it does, but so what) and I ended up telling the dumb woman to go fuck herself because she seemed to think I was breaking some kind of law. If they're so reliable there should be an abundance of them out there and they should cost nothing... The other problem is, that I only have £1.57 to my name right now and I have to use that to eat until I get paid again at the end of the month, I wouldn't feel right asking for payment prior to posting it as I'm sick and could easily forget all about the post office for a long time, I also wouldn't feel right as it was a gift from a friend and he was pissed enough when I told him he may as well have brought me a used garbage bag... I probably shouldn't have bought that synthesizer. I'll consult with him on it though, I might change my mind if he's OK with it because he probably doesn't want me throwing it in the fire bin either.

For the record, I don't have a modern AMD running. I would have had a Phenom X3 running as a file server but it died in the middle of the night a few days after I got it, that was the last one I bought. The newest one I have is a defective Athlon XP 1500+ which is underclocked to keep it stable and marked for replacement with a Pentium III 1.4 when I can be bothered to drag it out from under the desk. I've got a K6-2 500, K5-PR166 and an Am486DX2-66 though, I like those, the K6 especially as it has AGP and rips holes in the fabric of space time when it plays Build games, have a soft spot for the K5 too. As a final note, it just occurred to me that my thirty-year-old computer paragraph was better than I thought; that's an Am286-6 on a Storage Dimensions/Quadtel motherboard.

[Forge]

my, my. did i hit a nerve with a little teasing?
well i'm too stupid to feel bad about it if i did.

High Treason, on 23 November 2014 - 11:34 AM, said:

Yeah, Forge, send your board to Viper as I'm sure he'd find a use for it, they seem to be better built and better value in his applications.

and i was talking about sending it to you because you're the one who seems to need it more.

it's actually a good board and it comes with a choice of an athlon II X2 220 that can be unlocked to a Phenom II X4 920 (http://www.cpu-world...nom_II_920.html)
-or-
A Phenom II X2 560 (black) unlocks to a Phenom II X4 B60 (http://www.cpu-world...res_and_L3.html)

the only reason it's even boxed up is because i wanted to upgrade to an FX board & chip

i've had them both unlocked and the available 6mb L3 cache accessed, and everything was stable. The athlon didn't have much room to overclock, but the phenom overclocked like a charm.

but since you're not interested, i'll hold onto them in case i happen to collect some odds and ends of peripherals and other components until i have enough to build a retro-rig

[Person of Color]

High Treason, on 23 November 2014 - 01:20 PM, said:

Did you not read that I stated the processors also failed? I usually used decent motherboards, often the same brands I would have used with Intel but back when I built the 64 X2 I was an elitist fanboy for the AMD platform. The 64 X2 and the Pentium D both used the same brand of board, one had a seriously faulty processor and died within a short time frame and the other kept running for nine years, what conclusion am I supposed to draw from that when it keeps happening? Because it sure doesn't look much like the AMD platform is any good to me. I'm sure you've blamed my power supplies for something before so you should know by now that I always use Seasonic or Corsair supplies - the latter I think are Seasonic anyway with a Corsair badge and slightly altered chassis.

Shit still happens. Some boards have crappy VRM's. 999 times out of 1000 the CPU didn't fail, the VRM did and killed it.

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You simply cannot get me to change my mind when the evidence stacks up like this - literally; I have a pile of dead AMD stuff that I've slowly been burning as there's nowhere to get rid of it around here - and every Intel system I encountered is either still working or was until recently. You do realize that the motherboard manufacturer has to design their board with the BUS AMD or Intel specify right? For the chipsets supporting those processors and then provide software (A whole load more hassle) to actually make it work in an operating system. For whatever reason it seems components for AMD processors are of lower quality and the processors themselves do not have the longevity when used in the way I use them. 90% of old AMD systems I find are dead and get redirected to the trash pile, around 60% of Intel systems are alive or only require minor repairs - usually because people used crappy hard drives.

I've never seen any pattern like that myself and I repair stuff for a living. I bet you plenty of those AMD systems have processors that are just fine. I almost never encounter dead processors...the old lead tech did keep a totally dead C2D for some reason though. And a bunch of other crap. I ended up throwing away over 100 RAM sticks...took me two days to sort through it. He still had an entire TIN filled with 32MB SDR sticks...the fuck?

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I'm not sure it's better than the Q8400... But it wouldn't take a lot to beat that thing, my D920 destroyed it when encoding. That's my current setup, the E8200 was a fire damaged school computer that I never really used anymore, it was built to handle live streams but when Twitch set their requirements higher than my DSL line could supply it just gathered dust.

That makes no sense, how would a Pentium D kill a Q8400? Unoptimized software?

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Unfortunately I can't be bothered with the hassle of un-bolting the heatsink and dealing with the post office, the last time I sent a CPU they got mad about it being electronic, insisted it contained toxic metals (I suspect it does, but so what) and I ended up telling the dumb woman to go fuck herself because she seemed to think I was breaking some kind of law. If they're so reliable there should be an abundance of them out there and they should cost nothing... The other problem is, that I only have £1.57 to my name right now and I have to use that to eat until I get paid again at the end of the month, I wouldn't feel right asking for payment prior to posting it as I'm sick and could easily forget all about the post office for a long time, I also wouldn't feel right as it was a gift from a friend and he was pissed enough when I told him he may as well have brought me a used garbage bag... I probably shouldn't have bought that synthesizer. I'll consult with him on it though, I might change my mind if he's OK with it because he probably doesn't want me throwing it in the fire bin either.

Yeah don't get rid of that thing. Just put it in a tiny little box and tell them it's a necklace, or take Forge's old board. Never throw out a quad core, unless it's a Phenom 1...holy shit those things suck.

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For the record, I don't have a modern AMD running. I would have had a Phenom X3 running as a file server but it died in the middle of the night a few days after I got it, that was the last one I bought. The newest one I have is a defective Athlon XP 1500+ which is underclocked to keep it stable and marked for replacement with a Pentium III 1.4 when I can be bothered to drag it out from under the desk. I've got a K6-2 500, K5-PR166 and an Am486DX2-66 though, I like those, the K6 especially as it has AGP and rips holes in the fabric of space time when it plays Build games, have a soft spot for the K5 too. As a final note, it just occurred to me that my thirty-year-old computer paragraph was better than I thought; that's an Am286-6 on a Storage Dimensions/Quadtel motherboard.

There were a lot of bootleg Athlon XP's back in the day. The Chinese would take a cheaper part, change some of the jumper pads, then refinish it and resell it.

Also, those original Palomino core XP's use A TON of energy and run hot. Some boards don't work with them, or maybe yours has bad VRM's or another issue. My Soyo SY-K7V Dragon Plus just decided not to POST at 266MHz FSB one day, I don't know if it was the clock generator or the awful Via chipset.

I had a 2000+ in my first build and it had a good heatsink, but it used a lot of energy. Back in the day you'd see cheaper heatsinks say "Up to 3200+, NOT PALOMINO" or just "For 2200+ to 3200+ AMD Athlon XP." That was a great chip though. Scared the shit outta anything P4 that wasn't a Northwood.

That's the one computer I wish I kept...I have nothing from that build anymore except the old digital audio breakout board that came with it. Fuck...I don't give a shit about the others.

[Forge]

awww...

i was offering free computer components and i got my shoes spat on.

now i really don't feel bad about a little teasing.

you need a hug big guy? you seem to have enough problems going on right now that a case of internet rage can't be helping matters any.

[Person of Color]

It sure beats getting your dick spit on.

[Forge]

Protected by Viper, on 23 November 2014 - 07:58 PM, said:

It sure beats getting your dick spit on.

that's because you haven't seen yours in a decade.

i happened to like it when my dick is beaten and spitting

[Person of Color]

Yeah, but having High Treason spit on it?

[Forge]

Protected by Viper, on 23 November 2014 - 08:45 PM, said:

Yeah, but having High Treason spit on it?

i've been married for over twenty years. i take it where i can get it. (plus that rat nest beard he sports; all i have to do is close my eyes, let my mind wander, and enjoy warm wet hairy goodness)

[♥Coraline♥]

^ about as stoned as I feel right now

[Fox]

I just realized that the brocoli eating cats



are the cats with Doge

[Lunick]

[The Commander]

HL3 will never happen...

[Master Fibbles]

That is probably true. Makes me feel like a fool spending money on Half-Life 2.

[Person of Color]

Who cares even if it does? I've played so many more things I care about more now.

[The Commander]

The Real Slim Flibble, on 24 November 2014 - 04:17 PM, said:

That is probably true. Makes me feel like a fool spending money on Half-Life 2.

But HL2 was a good game and money well spent in my opinion.

[Kathy]

No, it was a complete waste of time and money because there is not point in playing it if there will be no sequel.

[High Treason]

Wait, what? People actually buy games these days? I don't understand this concept.

[The Commander]

Kathy, on 25 November 2014 - 06:47 AM, said:

No, it was a complete waste of time and money because there is not point in playing it if there will be no sequel.

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Half-Life 2 earned 39 Game of the Year awards,[16] including Overall Game of the Year at IGN, GameSpot's Award for Best Shooter, GameSpot's Reader's Choice — PC Game of the Year Award, Game of the Year from The Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences, and "Best Game" with the Game Developers Choice Awards, where it was also given various awards for technology, characters, and writing. Edge magazine awarded Half Life 2 with its top honor of the year with the award for Best Game, as well as awards for Innovation and Visual Design. The game also had a strong showing at the 2004 British Academy Video Games Awards, picking up six awards, more than any other game that night, with awards including "Best Game" and "Best Online and Multiplayer."[83]

Guinness World Records awarded Half-Life 2 the world record for "Highest Rated Shooter by PC Gamer Magazine" in the Guinness World Records: Gamer's Edition 2008. Other records awarded the game in the book include, "Largest Digital Distribution Channel" for Valve's Steam service, "First Game to Feature a Gravity Gun", and "First PC Game to Feature Developer Commentary".[84] In 2009, Game Informer put Half-Life 2 5th on their list of "The Top 200 Games of All Time", saying that "With Half-Life 2, Valve redefined the way first-person shooters were created".[85]

Half-Life 2 was selected by readers of The Guardian as the best game of the decade, with praise given especially to the environment design throughout the game. According to the newspaper, it "pushed the envelope for the genre, and set a new high watermark for FPS narrative". One author commented: "Half-Life 2 always felt like the European arthouse answer to the Hollywood bluster of Halo and Call of Duty".[17] Half-Life 2 won Crispy Gamer's 'Game of the Decade'[18] tournament style poll. It also won Reviews on the Run's,[19] IGN's[20] best game of the decade and Spike Video Game Awards 2012 Game of the Decade.

Yes, a total waste of time and money...

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Kathy, on 25 November 2014 - 06:47 AM, said:

No, it was a complete waste of time and money because there is not point in playing it if there will be no sequel.

That's the dumbest logic not to play a game I've ever heard.