[Inspector Lagomorf]

Jeff, on 23 September 2014 - 08:45 PM, said:

UPS postal workers need better customer service skills.

If someone is shocked at your shipping rates and pauses for a second to think about it, you don't say "I can't make your decisions for you".

I snapped back at them and said "I don't need you to make my decisions for me".

I tried to work out a compromise and said "I just need a bigger box, because my UPS doesn't fit in the current one (box that came with the new UPS is smaller than the one I got 10 years ago)". She said "we don't have any boxes that will fit this". I said "can't you just take some cardboard, fit it over the current box, and put some packing material in it to compensate? I've seen people do this all the time". She refused.

UPS in my experience have been much friendlier than that. USPS on the other hand...

[Jeff]

Probably depends on the store. After going there, I did a quick look online, and the store I went to has had several complaints about bad customer service.

It says a lot when this teenager who served me ice cream at the mall had better customer service skills than these people. He was quite enthusiastic about his job. Very friendly to boot.

Didn't make me pick up a 25 pound box, when they could see my muscles were sore from lugging the box 2 km from my place to the store. I know I need to lift some weights, but you could ask the customer "can I help you lift that? It looks like you're having some trouble".

[Fox]

[Jeff]

This is why I don't want kids:

[Fox]

They don't know how to discipline their children. Today kids that don't behave well are taken to a psychologist, who will diagnosis them with a "disorder" like ADHD, autism or aspergers. But the popular belief for the increase rate of autism is that they are caused by vaccination.

[Jeff]

Fox, on 25 September 2014 - 10:16 PM, said:

They don't know how to discipline their children. Today kids that don't behave well are taken to a psychologist, who will diagnosis them with a "disorder" like ADHD, autism or aspergers. But the popular belief for the increase rate of autism is that they are caused by vaccination.

I was disciplined as a child, and I never turned out like that. I was quite calm most of the time. There's plenty of misbehaving kids who don't have aspergers. As for the social skills, well, society is stuck in their own rules and anyone who disagrees with their rules or doesn't follow them is considered not normal. Just like someone who has an unorthodox way of thinking or ideas is considered crazy. Back in the 1600s you'd probably have someone who practices acupuncture or something be burned as a witch. Even a regular medical doctor might too. Today, that's not the case.

I don't feel there's anything wrong with having a fixed set of interests, or because I don't feel comfortable with being around people. Unfortunately, society has deemed that most "normal" people have several interests, socialize easily, and reading non-verbal communication is really easy to them. They could say that I just didn't socialize that much, and that the cure for me, is to go into social groups and learn how to. Well. I don't want to learn how to. I don't want to be like them to fit into the crowd. I want to be my own person, without society looking at me weirdly for not doing things by their book of rules. A lot of people look at me weird on the streets, simply because I'm not "one of them".

Kind of like any other person who is different would be looked down upon because they were different than the norm.

They had a quote on the X-Files to sum how society reacts to stuff like this:

Mulder: Can you tell me what you use this for? It's a pretty big bottle. Do you get a lot of cuts?
Elaine Tanner: When my son was 8 years old there were two boys who picked on him because he was different. He just ignored them. He knew he was better than they were. One day, they cornered him walking home, beat him up. He didn't even try to fight back. Just lay there taking the blows. So I don't believe you when you tell me he killed anyone, but if he did he had his reasons.
Scully: What reasons, Mrs. Tanner?
Elaine Tanner: God put him here for a purpose. God means for him to say, even if people don't understand. And that's all I've got to say.

Minus the killing part, but yeah, society picked on her son because he was different. Same thing here.



Sorry, had to get that off my chest.

[Gambini]

According to those tests (that i just took) I´m paranoic and have schizopatic personality. Great!

[Fox]

These online autism tests are bullshit. Recent TV series made the autism weirdness extremely popular, so everyone wants to get it. These tests are as valid as online IQ tests.

[High Treason]

I personally never got the point of all the labeling. I'm me, Jeff is Jeff, Fox is Fox, this guy is black, this guy is white... Big fucking woop. So far as I am concerned you can do what you want and think what you want provided you do it off my property and it doesn't affect me. Want to play with train sets instead of go down the pub (I sure would)? Do it. Want to burn things? Go ahead, it's your stuff. Want to walk around your home in ladies lingerie singing "It's raining men"? Again, whatever, it isn't hurting me so why should I care? Inversely, why do you (Society) care what I do? Seems like a colossal waste of time to me.

[High Treason]

Explain.

Because I interpret this to mean that you think I should be a judgmental prick who discriminates against people who are different to me.

[Fox]

I clicked the wrong button in the previous post.

[High Treason]

Yet you pressed it again now... You ought to fix that mouse.

I wasn't really taking issue with it, I just wanted an explanation as I didn't understand what the original down-vote was supposed to mean. Now I know.

[The Commander]

Fox, on 26 September 2014 - 06:53 PM, said:

I clicked the wrong button in the previous post.

[High Treason]

Whatever, it's like you guys think I even care what the number means. Pathetic.

Remember I once got in serious trouble for abusing the rep system. Just keep that in mind.

[Person of Color]

Jeff, on 25 September 2014 - 09:07 PM, said:

This is why I don't want kids:

Holy shit don't girls get like super mega autism compared to guys or something?

Also dat parenting...LOL.

[Fox]

High Treason, on 26 September 2014 - 07:09 PM, said:

Yet you pressed it again now...

Yeah, you posted to talk about down voting.

[Jeff]

Protected by Viper, on 26 September 2014 - 10:00 PM, said:

Holy shit don't girls get like super mega autism compared to guys or something?

Also dat parenting...LOL.

I found this comparison chart:

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These online autism tests are bullshit. Recent TV series made the autism weirdness extremely popular, so everyone wants to get it. These tests are as valid as online IQ tests.

Wasn't just some online test. I also had a psychiatrist diagnose me when I was around 8 or so.

[Fox]

Jeff, on 27 September 2014 - 07:14 AM, said:

Wasn't just some online test. I also had a psychiatrist diagnose me when I was around 8 or so.

So does 100% of kids that visit a psychiatrist.

[Jeff]

Fox, on 27 September 2014 - 07:53 AM, said:

So does 100% of kids that visit a psychiatrist.

Are you saying that Aspergers isn't a real mental disorder? You could probably take that and apply it to pretty much anything, and that most of the world's health issues are made up or don't exist.

[Fox]

Jeff, on 27 September 2014 - 08:05 AM, said:

Are you saying that Aspergers isn't a real mental disorder?

Yes.

First of all, just because someone is not like others doesn't means that person has a mental disorder. That's not a disorder, that's called being different. Remember that Homossexuality used to be treatened like a genuine disorder, until society began to accept it. How can you trust a diagnosis that depends on social norms?

That said, let's focus on the problem here: the validity of autism and ADHD diagnosis. Symptoms include lack of attention, anger, shyness, among others. These symptoms are vague and can be applied to virtually any person. Parents today don't know how to deal with children, and are willing to accept a diagnosis that says any problem their children have is not the parents fault.

But even if you don't see yourself in the position of judging whether or not the symptoms are valid, here are some statistics: in the US near 1.5% of children have been diagnosed with autism, and 11% with ADHD. Depending of the state, ADHD rates are close to 20%. How much of the population must be diagnosed so it stops being considered a disorder? And why the rates increased so much recently?

For instance, the annual cost of autism per person is more than $17,000 and for ADHD its more than $14,000.

[The Commander]

High Treason, on 26 September 2014 - 07:40 PM, said:

Whatever, it's like you guys think I even care what the number means. Pathetic.

Remember I once got in serious trouble for abusing the rep system. Just keep that in mind.

[Inspector Lagomorf]

The Angry Kiwi, on 27 September 2014 - 09:37 AM, said:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=RFZrzg62Zj0

Apparently you do for quoting a post that's already passe.

[The Commander]

Unlike you other fat fucks that sit on your ass all day and bitch and moan about bull fuck on these forums I was at work so I was unable to reply earlier.

[Jeff]

Fox, on 27 September 2014 - 09:00 AM, said:

Yes.

First of all, just because someone is not like others doesn't means that person has a mental disorder. That's not a disorder, that's called being different. Remember that Homossexuality used to be treatened like a genuine disorder, until society began to accept it. How can you trust a diagnosis that depends on social norms?

It's a lot more to it than just not socializing with people. They have issues with non-verbal communication and a bunch of other stuff. People say "oh, well you didn't socialize much, so that's why you can't read facial expressions and other non-verbal communication". So we're going to teach you to be like the rest of us, then you'll know how to read non-verbal cues, socialize, and otherwise act like a "normal" person. In fact, I did try to socialize, go to soccer camps, hockey, bowling when I was a kid like the rest of the people, but I just didn't fit in.

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Symptoms include lack of attention, anger, shyness, among others. These symptoms are vague and can be applied to virtually any person.

Same thing could be said for something like, ulcers.

Here are the symptoms:

dull, burning pain in the stomach
weight loss
not wanting to eat because of pain
nausea or vomiting
bloating
burping
heartburn (burning sensation in the chest)
pain improves when you eat, drink , or take antacids

So they slap the label "if you have all these symptoms, you have ulcers". Some of these symptoms can be applied to other conditions. Like heartburn, burping, nausea, bloating in ulcers can be applied to acid reflux if they don't have things like weight loss. Or if their stomach shows no signs of open sores.

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until society began to accept it.

Ah yes, social norms, ah we have dismissed that claim.

Look, the way I see it, society is just going to have to deal with people like me. I'm not going to change to fit into their little program they've got going on. Others have said similar things. They like the way they are. They shouldn't need to be changed to fit in with everyone else.

Like your homosexuality example, there will come a time when autism, etc, will become socially acceptable. Much like 60 years ago people weren't very tolerant of LGBTs or other groups, but now it's more acceptable.

I'm not trying to be mean or anything.

[Fox]

Jeff, on 27 September 2014 - 02:55 PM, said:

It's a lot more to it than just not socializing with people. They have issues with non-verbal communication and a bunch of other stuff. People say "oh, well you didn't socialize much, so that's why you can't read facial expressions and other non-verbal communication". So we're going to teach you to be like the rest of us, then you'll know how to read non-verbal cues, socialize, and otherwise act like a "normal" person. In fact, I did try to socialize, go to soccer camps, hockey, bowling when I was a kid like the rest of the people, but I just didn't fit in.

These things don't make you unusual. I bet most people would say they didn't fit in school. And non-verbal communication appears to be a common problem for men in relationships.

Jeff, on 27 September 2014 - 02:55 PM, said:

Same thing could be said for something like, ulcers.

(...)

So they slap the label "if you have all these symptoms, you have ulcers". Some of these symptoms can be applied to other conditions. Like heartburn, burping, nausea, bloating in ulcers can be applied to acid reflux if they don't have things like weight loss. Or if their stomach shows no signs of open sores.

No it doesn't. You can measure the size of an stomach ulcer with an astroscopic. But you can't ensure autism or ADHD, and the only thing to rely on is subjective interpretation of the symptoms by a psychiatrist.

Besides you miss the point: most people won't tell you are experiencing burning pain in the stomach, but the symptoms of autism or ADHD can be stretched to everyone. They are the same generic bullshit mediums tell people.

Jeff, on 27 September 2014 - 02:55 PM, said:

Ah yes, social norms, ah we have dismissed that claim.

Look, the way I see it, society is just going to have to deal with people like me. I'm not going to change to fit into their little program they've got going on. Others have said similar things. They like the way they are. They shouldn't need to be changed to fit in with everyone else.

Like your homosexuality example, there will come a time when autism, etc, will become socially acceptable. Much like 60 years ago people weren't very tolerant of LGBTs or other groups, but now it's more acceptable.

I'm not trying to be mean or anything.

Of course, people have the right to be different. But that's not even the case here, these kids aren't different, they were just taken to a psychiatrist.

[Zaxtor]

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[Fox]

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[The Albino Ape]

The Angry Kiwi, on 27 September 2014 - 09:51 AM, said:

Unlike you other fat fucks that sit on your ass all day and bitch and moan about bull fuck on these forums I was at work so I was unable to reply earlier.

You have a tendency of getting very irritable, maybe you should distance yourself from these forums. If anything, you are as much to blame as they are because of that statement.

Complaining about someone complaining, how ironic.

[Person of Color]

Fox, on 27 September 2014 - 09:00 AM, said:

Yes.

First of all, just because someone is not like others doesn't means that person has a mental disorder. That's not a disorder, that's called being different. Remember that Homossexuality used to be treatened like a genuine disorder, until society began to accept it. How can you trust a diagnosis that depends on social norms?

That said, let's focus on the problem here: the validity of autism and ADHD diagnosis. Symptoms include lack of attention, anger, shyness, among others. These symptoms are vague and can be applied to virtually any person. Parents today don't know how to deal with children, and are willing to accept a diagnosis that says any problem their children have is not the parents fault.

But even if you don't see yourself in the position of judging whether or not the symptoms are valid, here are some statistics: in the US near 1.5% of children have been diagnosed with autism, and 11% with ADHD. Depending of the state, ADHD rates are close to 20%. How much of the population must be diagnosed so it stops being considered a disorder? And why the rates increased so much recently?

For instance, the annual cost of autism per person is more than $17,000 and for ADHD its more than $14,000.

And you base this on how many years of college you didn't attend?

Excuse me while I "just cheer myself up" because bipolar is a mindset problem, and shun my friends for vaccinating their kids.

[Kyanos]

Maybe he's saying it's not so much a problem as it is just a thing. No need for shunnings or cheering up.