[The Commander]

I keep getting swayed by all these online reviews, they say it's great but the length of it kills it in the reviews.

I also don't know if I want to get it for 360, PS3 or buy a PS4 and get it on that...

[Jimmy]

>WHY ARENT GAMES INNOVATIVE!?
>Game innovates, tries something new, an interesting concept
>WOW THIS IS SHIT GAMES SHOULDN'T BE LIKE THIS
>"Okay guys, we'll just release the same old shit from now on."

[Person of Color]

Jimmy, on 02 April 2014 - 12:05 PM, said:

>WHY ARENT GAMES INNOVATIVE!?
>Game innovates, tries something new, an interesting concept
>WOW THIS IS SHIT GAMES SHOULDN'T BE LIKE THIS
>"Okay guys, we'll just release the same old shit from now on."

Literally this.

[Jimmy]

The only thing worse are the idiots that run around saying "GAMERS DON'T ACTUALLY WANT INNOVATION. I WANT SUPER MARIO 57!"

[Jeff]

Instead of gamers telling developers what kind of games they should make. Let the game developers make the games and the gamers can choose whether or not to buy it.

Isn't that how other industries work? Ford makes cars, people don't tell Ford what kind of cars they should make. Just lay down their money and choose to buy Ford cars or not

[Gambini]

Henry Ford once said somethig like this when building the Ford A "if i would have listened to customers, they would have asked for a faster horse".

I don´t think though that the demand is a good parameter for making good games. You make things for your public, the day you make things different to enlarge your scope of customers, you´re dissapointing your loyal followers. That´s commerce to the extreme, make FPSs so even grandmas can play it.

EDIT: and the exact phrase is: If I had asked my customers what they wanted they would have said a faster horse.

[Jeff]

Gambini, on 02 April 2014 - 02:48 PM, said:

You make things for your public, the day you make things different to enlarge your scope of customers, you´re dissapointing your loyal followers. That´s commerce to the extreme, make FPSs so even grandmas can play it.

Well that's not to say that people who don't normally play games shouldn't play them. I mean are we suggesting that game companies should only make games for their hardcore devoted group, and not introduce to newcomers? Games are getting more expensive to produce, and they need to recoup those costs somehow. If catering to the hardcore group isn't enough to make up the cost, then they need to open up again.

[MrBlackCat]

Jeff, on 02 April 2014 - 03:15 PM, said:

Well that's not to say that people who don't normally play games shouldn't play them. I mean are we suggesting that game companies should only make games for their hardcore devoted group, and not introduce to newcomers?

I don't think so... compare it to "real" art/artists... they make something in a way to express themselves or something along those lines. They aren't catering to a social-financial need necessarily. Some people like it, some don't.
Or cars... just because not everyone appreciates something doesn't mean they won't buy it anyway. Some people appreciate the precision of a Ferrari, some don't, but both types still buy them. So IF Ferrari made a low precision car, those who could not appreciate them would still buy them and never know and/or not care.

I think we are more used to a developer making games for people who know games and appreciate them, as opposed to games made for the Casual Gamer. If no precision is needed to sell a game, then why put he effort, right? It is about money, not professional artist/developers making games of great precision.

Metaphors? Why paint the inside of a cabinet? Why vacuum the inside of the walls out as you build a house? Why worry if something "you" can't see is done sloppy or not? So why make a quality game if only 1% of people are even going to notice? Maybe I would, maybe you would... but corporations won't. Their goal is to make money by making what sells to THE MAJORITY, not a goal of making great games.

MrBlackCat

[Lunick]

[Gambini]

Jeff, on 02 April 2014 - 03:15 PM, said:

Well that's not to say that people who don't normally play games shouldn't play them. I mean are we suggesting that game companies should only make games for their hardcore devoted group, and not introduce to newcomers?

Yes make games for everybody but never dissapoint those who put you there. Hardcore gamers should be the priority.

[The Commander]

Lunick, on 02 April 2014 - 03:40 PM, said:

Stupid Cat Video

http://www.3news.co....45/Default.aspx

[Fox]

Jeff, on 02 April 2014 - 01:54 PM, said:

Instead of gamers telling developers what kind of games they should make. Let the game developers make the games and the gamers can choose whether or not to buy it.

Isn't that how other industries work? Ford makes cars, people don't tell Ford what kind of cars they should make. Just lay down their money and choose to buy Ford cars or not

There is some truth to it. But videogame consumers are that stupid, the industry just assumes (correctly) that they will pay for anything.

[Jeff]

Certain things I have bought, others I haven't. I bought the main game of Bioshock Infinite, but I never bothered with the season's pass, because I didn't feel I needed it. I'm not one to buy up all the T-Shirts and other loot of my favorite games and dress up like certain characters though. For the most part, I just buy the main game, and the DLC. Sometimes I might not even get all the DLC. Just the stuff that interests me. I guess you could say I'm kind of smart when it comes to being a consumer. I know, that if a company ripped me off, I wouldn't buy anymore of their stuff. Certain people still buy stuff from companies they hate or which enact policies they don't like.

[Kathy]

Jeff, on 02 April 2014 - 03:15 PM, said:

Games are getting more expensive to produce, and they need to recoup those costs somehow.

Then don't skyrocket the budget so that it requires to sell several millions and streamlining with focus groups just to make it even. This argument is publisher's favorite one. "Ohhh, games are expensive and we need to somehow made it back so that developers could eat". Bullshit, stop making it that expensive.

[Forge]

the video game industry is catering to 30 something year old americans living in their mom's basement.

no further questions about quality need be asked

source:
http://www.theesa.co...esa_ef_2013.pdf

[Mark]

I pay little attention to the gaming industry but I have seen them portrayed many times in movies and TV. If they still follow the stereotype of a bunch of hip and trendy( and overpayed ) Silicon Valley computer nerds in a hip and trendy converted warehouse in a massively expensive part of downtown with a lot of non productive goofing off time and parties and huge spreads of food and drink, a basketball court and pool in the back lot, then there is surely room for improving the bottom line.

[Forge]

George had to pay his gambling debts before he got kneecapped

[Fox]

Kathy, on 02 April 2014 - 06:35 PM, said:

Then don't skyrocket the budget so that it requires to sell several millions and streamlining with focus groups just to make it even. This argument is publisher's favorite one. "Ohhh, games are expensive and we need to somehow made it back so that developers could eat". Bullshit, stop making it that expensive.

Yes, it's bullshit that a game "need" to be expensive. They charge as much as the (stupid) customer is willing to pay.

[Jeff]

Kathy, on 02 April 2014 - 06:35 PM, said:

Then don't skyrocket the budget so that it requires to sell several millions and streamlining with focus groups just to make it even. This argument is publisher's favorite one. "Ohhh, games are expensive and we need to somehow made it back so that developers could eat". Bullshit, stop making it that expensive.

I don't know what part of the budget is the most expensive, but like I said earlier it is not up to us to decide how they make their games. That would make us producers, and not the consumers that we are.

[Fox]

[Kathy]

Forge, on 02 April 2014 - 06:58 PM, said:

the video game industry is catering to 30 something year old americans living in their mom's basement.

At what page did you find this statistic?

[Fox]

[Forge]

Kathy, on 03 April 2014 - 06:29 AM, said:

At what page did you find this statistic?

and somehow you think i'm making this shit up as i go along
http://www.zerohedge...arents-basement

you should stop doubting me and just admit your man-crush now. it will save us alot of time on foreplay later when i have you chained up in my rape-closet

[Kathy]

Okay. But then again why is this a stigma about living with parents? It doesn't preclude you from anything except maybe having your own family.

[Jimmy]

You're looking at it from a Yuropoor perspective where that's the cultural norm. American Men are expected (and rightfully so, I might add) to be self sufficient by twenty-one.

Too bad our Boomer parents completely fucked up the economy.

[Forge]

the american stereotypical 30 something living at home with their parents:

no job
gets high alot
plays video games
masturbates to cheap internet anime porn

what kind of video game are you going to make to cater to this life style?
(the last few final fantasies come to mind)

[Lunick]

http://www.ebay.com....tm/161266622513 Sealed Stargunner

[Daedolon]

Never even seen the cover/box before.

[Fox]

Wow, now they are kidnapping your hard-drive or connection through the Internet.

"Another type of Bitcoin-related malware is a type of ransomware. A program called Cryptolocker, typically spread through legitimate-looking email attachments, encrypts the hard drive of an infected computer, then displays a countdown timer and demands a ransom, usually two bitcoins, to decrypt it.[184] Police in Massachusetts said they paid a 2 bitcoin ransom in November 2013, worth more than $1300 at the time, to decrypt one of their hard drives.[185] Linkup, a combination ransomware and bitcoin mining program that surfaced in February 2014, disables a user's internet access and demands credit card information to restore it, while secretly mining bitcoins.[184] Researchers did not test whether entering the information really restored internet access.[184]"

[Lunick]