[Kathy]

What's the problem with using IE?

[LeoD]

Forge, on 12 January 2014 - 05:03 PM, said:

Netscape Navigator

Bah. Mosaic.

[Daedolon]

Communicator up this bitch.

[Jimmy]

Forge, on 12 January 2014 - 06:54 AM, said:

Punk got cancer in the late '70's early '80's when bands started going commercial (i.e. billy idol, blondie, go-go's, etc., etc.)
there may be hangers-on, but punk officially died in the mid 90's with the "punk revival" movement.

None of those bands is punk, baby. Needs more FEAR, Dead Boys, Descendents, Agent Orange, Dead Kennedys, Adolescents, Misfits, Black Flag, Minor Threat, Fugazi, Rites of Spring, Replacements, X, Iggy and the Stooges, Bad Religion, Bad Brains........

[♥Coraline♥]

Daedolon, on 12 January 2014 - 05:35 PM, said:

Communicator up this bitch.

[Jeff]

Meow fail

[Daedolon]

Corbin don't know 'bout my Power Rangers.

[♥Coraline♥]

Daedolon, on 12 January 2014 - 06:33 PM, said:

Corbin don't know 'bout my Power Rangers.

I don't know Jarmo, are we talking about the stereotypical racial diversity/colours of the Americaneeze or the Jap/AlJazeera versions?

U know, cause Billy wasn't fired for being the coolest fag of the 90s or anything.

[Daedolon]

Sorry, I only follow the very first (trve kvlt) season of Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers.

[Forge]

Jimmy, on 12 January 2014 - 05:35 PM, said:

None of those bands is punk, baby.

none of those bands stayed punk
for the examples i used:
go-go's and blondie made a catchy tune and sold out
billy idol left generation-x after they did a catchy tune, which he took with him after he left the band for a solo career and sold out.

i'm surprised blondie kept the moniker, they named the band after Hitler's dog.

you need to go back to MC5 and work your way up through the 70's

[MusicallyInspired]

Punk sucks. So does the look of the new Firefox. Is there a bookmark toolbar? I REQUIRE this.

[♥Coraline♥]

Daedolon, on 12 January 2014 - 07:33 PM, said:

Sorry, I only follow the very first (trve kvlt) season of Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers.

Word. Erm, also everything I referenced comes from the first season. David Yost/etc is just common trivia knowledge man.

[Lunick]

[Forge]

MusicallyInspired, on 12 January 2014 - 07:38 PM, said:

Punk sucks.

oh boy, here we go....

[Daedolon]

I agree, however.

[Forge]

yes, punk sucks, but i still like a lot of it

it used to be about attitude, dissatisfaction with the establishment, and a deliberate cut against social acceptance....that is until it became socially acceptable and mainstream with this neo-blink182/greenday wannabe poppunk

[MusicallyInspired]

It's a paradox to me that any movement born solely of the notion of "fighting the man" or "going against the flow" is even a movement at all. That just means that eventually, if successful (which is obviously the point or else it wouldn't have an audience), would become the very thing it's striving against. This happens with everything until someone starts another movement and repeats it all over again. This will eventually happen to things like indie games which will receive so much attention that it'll become a new problem much like AAA games are now. ActiVision was started by people who left Atari back in the day, which was the biggest video game developer of the time. Now look how the tables have turned.

[Jimmy]

Forge, on 12 January 2014 - 07:37 PM, said:

you need to go back to MC5 and work your way up through the 70's

My friend's dad was in The UP, a band that hung out with The Stooges and MC5 but broke up before things got big.

MusicallyInspired, on 12 January 2014 - 07:38 PM, said:

Punk sucks.

GTFO.

MusicallyInspired, on 12 January 2014 - 09:30 PM, said:

It's a paradox to me that any movement born solely of the notion of "fighting the man" or "going against the flow" is even a movement at all. That just means that eventually, if successful (which is obviously the point or else it wouldn't have an audience), would become the very thing it's striving against.

It wasn't a movement. It was just kids having fun. If you know anything about punk, everybody argued with each other for years. It wasn't a concerted effort, it was a bunch of kids just doing what they wanted. Shows were constantly plagued with fights and shit because Nazis would show up or the gutterpunks would show up or some silly shit. Punk only went establishment because it was dangerous. You don't see death metal going establishment, because it's not dangerous. Once they recognize a movement solidifying, they hijack it. Same thing happened to Hip Hop. That's why you don't hear Ice Cube or Nas or Wu Tang or Public Enemy on the radio.

[Lunick]

http://www.catlateraldamage.com/play

[X-Vector]

Jimmy, on 12 January 2014 - 11:52 PM, said:

It wasn't a movement.

I think there was an element of manufacture and machination from the beginning, see the start of the Sex Pistols in Malcolm McLaren's and Vivienne Westwood's clothing shop for example.
Especially when a music style derives a large amount of its recognition from peripheral phenomena (clothes, attitude, controversy) and is aimed at a young audience, there's bound to be some form of manipulation and image building going on, whether by the bands themselves or by the people in the background.
Perhaps in the very beginning it was just about bands playing music, but the moment you put a label on it, things change.
Not surprisingly, the name "punk" seems to have been introduced by a journalist rather than the musicians themselves:

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A reviewer for one of the free entertainment magazines of the time caught the act and gave us a great review, calling us a 'punk band.' This was 1974 and we all sort of looked at each other and said, 'What's punk?'

It's not necessarily all bad either, because I believe that one of the most valuable contributions of punk rock actually lies in the organisation of like-minded people, starting up and/or revitalising magazines, radio stations, music venues and record labels.
SST, for example, may have started as a hardcore punk label by Greg Ginn, but later it branched out and began to release music from bands like Sonic Youth, Hüsker Dü and Dinosaur Jr, which I personally find a positive development.
Trashing equipment and dressing rooms, cutting yourself up and pissing on stage, beating up people, none of these are vital (or even unique) aspects of punk rock as far as I'm concerned, while the creation and distribution of high energy music definitely is.
To me, there is a difference between a sideshow artist like GG Allin and musical innovators such as Iggy Pop and John Lydon.

Strange BTW, that most people here seem to be pretending that punk rock is solely an American phenomenon; where are the Sex Pistols, The Clash, Crass, the Stiff Little Fingers, The Saints, The Stranglers, (Charged) GBH, Discharge, Sham 69, The Slits, X-Ray Spex, The Undertones, Wire, Die Toten Hosen, etc.?

[Forge]

X-Vector, on 13 January 2014 - 04:21 AM, said:

Strange BTW, that most people here seem to be pretending that punk rock is solely an American phenomenon; [list of a bunch of tea drinkers]

ah, the beginning of the end

X-Vector, on 13 January 2014 - 04:21 AM, said:

I think there was an element of manufacture and machination from the beginning, see the start of the Sex Pistols in Malcolm McLaren's and Vivienne Westwood's clothing shop for example.
Especially when a music style derives a large amount of its recognition from peripheral phenomena (clothes, attitude, controversy) and is aimed at a young audience, there's bound to be some form of manipulation and image building going on, whether by the bands themselves or by the people in the background.
Perhaps in the very beginning it was just about bands playing music, but the moment you put a label on it, things change.

yep, the people who put a label on it, created a "uniform", and figured out how to turn out a buck at the expense of the kids who were dissatisfied with the meat-and-potatoes 50s and the peace-love-hippie crap of the 60s

thanks, you limey bastards

[Inspector Lagomorf]

[The Commander]

[Jimmy]

X-Vector, on 13 January 2014 - 04:21 AM, said:

I think there was an element of manufacture and machination from the beginning, see the start of the Sex Pistols in Malcolm McLaren's and Vivienne Westwood's clothing shop for example.
Especially when a music style derives a large amount of its recognition from peripheral phenomena (clothes, attitude, controversy) and is aimed at a young audience, there's bound to be some form of manipulation and image building going on, whether by the bands themselves or by the people in the background.
Perhaps in the very beginning it was just about bands playing music, but the moment you put a label on it, things change.

If your whole argument is that it was manufactured from the beginning and then imply that the Sex Pistols was part of the beginning then it's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.

X-Vector, on 13 January 2014 - 04:21 AM, said:

Not surprisingly, the name "punk" seems to have been introduced by a journalist rather than the musicians themselves

That happened to everyone. 7 Seconds was from the Reno scene, so they were far removed from the LA scene and they had been calling themselves new-wave for about a year before they knew that new-wave was now DEVO synth-rock type stuff. Ian MacKaye's band Embrace was playing hardcore punk and then they were suddenly labeled Emotional Hardcore by some reviewer, which they instantly dismissed. Labels pop up when you're doing something new. Your point proves my point more than anything. It was just kids playing music.

X-Vector, on 13 January 2014 - 04:21 AM, said:

It's not necessarily all bad either, because I believe that one of the most valuable contributions of punk rock actually lies in the organisation of like-minded people, starting up and/or revitalising magazines, radio stations, music venues and record labels.
SST, for example, may have started as a hardcore punk label by Greg Ginn, but later it branched out and began to release music from bands like Sonic Youth, Hüsker Dü and Dinosaur Jr, which I personally find a positive development.
Trashing equipment and dressing rooms, cutting yourself up and pissing on stage, beating up people, none of these are vital (or even unique) aspects of punk rock as far as I'm concerned, while the creation and distribution of high energy music definitely is.
To me, there is a difference between a sideshow artist like GG Allin and musical innovators such as Iggy Pop and John Lydon.

Strange BTW, that most people here seem to be pretending that punk rock is solely an American phenomenon; where are the Sex Pistols, The Clash, Crass, the Stiff Little Fingers, The Saints, The Stranglers, (Charged) GBH, Discharge, Sham 69, The Slits, X-Ray Spex, The Undertones, Wire, Die Toten Hosen, etc.?

SST sucks. Greg Ginn is a retard. He's burned more bridges than Artie Lange and Mel Gibson combined. You just sound like a douchebag. I bet you dismiss the Germs because Darby put his microphone in a jar of peanut butter. Calm down. And the Clash were sellouts.

[Person of Color]

Speaking of Embrace, considering X-Vector's attitude, I'm pretty sure this song is the story of his life:

Jimmy, on 13 January 2014 - 02:14 PM, said:

He's burned more bridges than Artie Lange and Mel Gibson combined.

Holy shit LOL

[Jimmy]

Nobody likes Ginn. He's a piece of shit, he acts like a jerk to everyone, and rips everyone on his label off.

[Master Fibbles]

Let's just all agree that the only real music is the Rat Pack.

[Jeff]

No more retail for me. Quit my job today. Start new job next week.

[Lunick]

[CruX]

I'm amazed for all the punk talk, no one's name dropped Flipper yet. I know I'm not the only one that's heard of them. Kinda sad to think I'm the only that likes them.