[Fox]

Spoiler

[Lunick]

Oh.

[Forge]

Fox, on 21 March 2014 - 02:44 AM, said:

Shame on you guys for not knowing POMF and A Cat is Fine Too memes.

shame on you for knowing them

POMF: origin: Loli Hentai Manga
source: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/pomf-3

A Cat is Fine Too: origin: doujin involving a pedophile and an underage loli
source: http://knowyourmeme....cat-is-fine-too

[Kathy]

The Commander, you're pathetic.

[Fox]

Forge, on 21 March 2014 - 06:15 AM, said:

shame on you for knowing them

POMF: origin: Loli Hentai Manga
source: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/pomf-3

A Cat is Fine Too: origin: doujin involving a pedophile and an underage loli
source: http://knowyourmeme....cat-is-fine-too

You will pretend not to know pedobear?

[Forge]

Kathy, on 21 March 2014 - 06:51 AM, said:

The Commander, you're pathetic.

yay! let's turn the thread into a fight

1st rule: you don't talk about the fight thread
2nd rule: you don't talk about the fight thread

[Forge]

pedobear is not from a loli/anime/hentai source.

Origin: an ASCII art image posted as a reaction to threads where the original poster would be fishing for attention, as a way to highlight the thread was an obvious troll. Later came to signal moderators and other users that illegal pornographic content had been posted. Due to the widespread nature of its application, Pedobear has been often misinterpreted as a symbol of pedophilia and lolita complex
source:
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/pedobear

pedobear signifies "you are a pervert"

the two you referenced signify "i am a pervert, gimme more pervert stuff to fap to"

[Fox]

Edit: you also knows the memes now, so you are a pervent too.

[Master Fibbles]

Trooper Dan, on 20 March 2014 - 08:28 PM, said:

As for hell, the ethical problem I have with it is this: how could a finite number of offenses justify an infinite amount of punishment? The people who endorse this (not saying you are one of them) I suspect of not really understanding how immense that punishment is. Even if Hitler, for example, had to suffer as much as all of his victims, in a row, he would be done after a few million years, which is still nothing compared with infinity (or make it a billion years, it is still nothing in comparison).

It is bad theology to view hell as punishment put on someone. It is better to view it as punishment one puts on oneself. Humans always have free will. We choose to reject God or embrace God. Those who choose, with full knowledge, to reject heaven and God enter Hell on their own free will.
It is an extremely pre-enlightenment and ignorant view to think of hell as fire and brimstone and some temporal punishment from God. I'm not even sure Aquinas taught that (or Augustine, to go even further back).

Jerry Fallwell was once asked what he would do if, when he died, he discovered that God doesn't hate people like he does. Jerry Fallwell answered that he wouldn't believe that it was God speaking to him. That is a person actively and freely choosing Hell over Heaven. The same applies to Fred Phelps (and Hitler, to be fair). Adolf Hitler may have chosen forgiveness and God over his own perverted view of the world after seeing God face-to-face.

[Kathy]

The Real Slim Flibble, on 21 March 2014 - 07:44 AM, said:

Those who choose, with full knowledge, to reject heaven and God enter Hell on their own free will.

What constitutes "full knowledge"?

[Fox]

The Real Slim Flibble, on 21 March 2014 - 07:44 AM, said:

It is better to view it as punishment one puts on oneself.

Like a bully saying "stop hitting yourself".

[Forge]

Kathy, on 21 March 2014 - 07:49 AM, said:

What constitutes "full knowledge"?

you are made aware that there is a concept of God. It is on you to decide if you want to learn more and accept it.

That's why hell is full of pre-columbian native americans and babies

Fox, on 21 March 2014 - 07:41 AM, said:

Edit: you also knows the memes now, so you are a pervent too.

and just when i thought my level of corruption couldn't sink any lower

[Kathy]

Forge, on 21 March 2014 - 08:07 AM, said:

you are made aware that there is a concept of God. It is on you to decide if you want to learn more and accept it.

Which one?

[Forge]

Kathy, on 21 March 2014 - 08:20 AM, said:

Which one?

doesn't matter.
the three main western religions that have a concept of hell all worship the same God.

[X-Vector]

[Kathy]

Forge, on 21 March 2014 - 08:29 AM, said:

doesn't matter.
the three main western religions that have a concept of hell all worship the same God.

What about other religions?

[Master Fibbles]

"Full knowledge" would imply that you have the answers to your questions. People who are not fully informed cannot make fully free decisions. The basic assumption for what I said is that when you die, you are offered the choices before you (Heaven, Hell; Reincarnation; nothingness; etc) and you make a choice. It isn't something drawn out in time, but more instant since time does not really exists.

[Fox]

That seems't boring. Can't you choose to not exist anymore at some point?

[Forge]

Kathy, on 21 March 2014 - 10:38 AM, said:

What about other religions?

other religions don't have the same concept of a hell as the main western religions. Some have concepts of a place of torment (e.g. Naraka), but they're usually not eternal.

if you're asking me which religion and God are the right one, I can't answer that. I've made my choice, i believe i'm right or at least going the right direction, but i can't say all the others are wrong.
my perception is to believe in God and try the best i can to follow his commandments. the only people that could go to "hell" are those whom have completely forsaken God altogether.
my line of thought is that most modern monotheistic religions are actually paying tribute to the same God, they just had different earthly teachers that were influenced by their environment at the time, thus there are variations in the scriptures and observations.

[Danukem]

The Real Slim Flibble, on 21 March 2014 - 07:44 AM, said:

It is bad theology to view hell as punishment put on someone. It is better to view it as punishment one puts on oneself. Humans always have free will. We choose to reject God or embrace God. Those who choose, with full knowledge, to reject heaven and God enter Hell on their own free will.
It is an extremely pre-enlightenment and ignorant view to think of hell as fire and brimstone and some temporal punishment from God. I'm not even sure Aquinas taught that (or Augustine, to go even further back).

My post was about the irrationality of an infinite punishment for finite crimes. Whether the punishment is brought about by oneself or by some other agency is beside the point. Even if I enter hell of my own free will, it is still absurd to suppose that suffering in hell for eternity could be an appropriate or just consequence for anything that I manged to do in my finite life to other earthly beings. Now, if hell is not eternal but is somehow atemporal, then it becomes more difficult to evaluate. I am familiar with the notion of abstract entities that exist outside of spacetime, but people as I understand them are temporal entities. So, if people (or their "souls") can enter hell that would seem to require that hell is temporal. If not, then please try to enlighten

@Fox: I did not claim, nor do I endorse the view that Hitler is solely responsible for the crimes of his regime. I was simply pointing out that, whatever guilt he has, it is not infinite.

[Forge]

eternal hell is christian doctrine, and not all christian denominations believe in eternal hell. some also follow the judaism and islamic theology of annihilationism - the soul is tormented to "fit the crime" then destroyed.
some don't believe in hell at all, the soul is destroyed if the person is not worthy to be in heaven.
some believe that hell is temporary - souls are tormented to "fit the crime" then ascended into heaven as long as they repent. when hell is empty it's destroyed.

[Kathy]

Forge, on 21 March 2014 - 01:39 PM, said:

if you're asking me which religion and God are the right one, I can't answer that. I've made my choice, i believe i'm right or at least going the right direction, but i can't say all the others are wrong.

But you've made your choice not in "full knowledge", right?

[The Commander]

Kathy, on 21 March 2014 - 06:51 AM, said:

The Commander, you're pathetic.

What's the problem?

[Kathy]

Your revenge downvoting is pathetic. I don't care about my reputation, but I do care about you being petty and pathetic. At least have the courtesy of downvoting based on an actual post and not because I downvoted you.

[The Commander]

You must care about it if you bought it up.
Unlike you I wouldn't care if my reputation was -1000.
Hendricks266 can feel free to change it if he wishes.

Also, I will down vote something I do not agree with or quality.

[Kathy]

I care about you, not the reputation. And you're being rather silly.

[The Commander]

You bought it up.

[Forge]

Kathy, on 21 March 2014 - 09:42 PM, said:

But you've made your choice not in "full knowledge", right?

your definition of full knowledge is extreme. the only entity that has that kind of full knowledge would be God.

my full knowledge is comprised of having certain experiences, determining that those experiences are attributed to God, researching the monotheistic religions, choosing the one that felt right for me.

to me "full knowledge" is basically a person made aware that there is a god, either by spiritual enlightenment or by word of mouth. what they chose to do with that information is entirely on them (free will).
continue seeking for more information or just throw it out as bunk.

[Fox]

[Hendricks266]

The Commander, on 22 March 2014 - 04:36 AM, said:

Hendricks266 can feel free to change it if he wishes.

I'm a moderator, not an admin.

I can't change display names.
I can't edit reputation.
I can't edit member groups.
I can't set an avatar (only remove).

Frankly, 99.9999999% of the time these things are unnecessary anyway.