[Lunick]

But "brace yourself, Forge is coming in dry" wasn't in your display name history.

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[Forge]

it would have been my display name, but i can't spell "dry"

besides, i'm not classy enough to have a cool nickname, so i need to improvise

-Needledick the Mosquito Fucker

[X-Vector]

[Master Fibbles]

So, I hear there is a debate between Bill Nye, the Science Guy, and a dude from Kentucky...They are going to discuss creationism and evolution. I heard some of the commentary in the preshow and...I got a secret..."Christians" are allowed to do science. In fact, the entire foundation of all scientific inquiry was founded by Christians. Now, don't tell any atheist scientist this, they'll explode from the irony.

[Forge]

observed waves collapse and act like a particle and what one would expect a particle to behave like.

whenever there's multiple possible outcomes, they will all happen unless observed

the laws of physics and our universe would collapse/fly apart unless it was being observed

we are being watched

[OpenMaw]

The Real Slim Flibble, on 04 February 2014 - 03:18 PM, said:

So, I hear there is a debate between Bill Nye, the Science Guy, and a dude from Kentucky...They are going to discuss creationism and evolution. I heard some of the commentary in the preshow and...I got a secret..."Christians" are allowed to do science. In fact, the entire foundation of all scientific inquiry was founded by Christians. Now, don't tell any atheist scientist this, they'll explode from the irony.

Uh... Er. No?

Science, as a practice, predates Christianity by, ya know, at least a few minutes.

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Forge, on 04 February 2014 - 04:21 PM, said:

whenever there's multiple possible outcomes, they will all happen unless observed

I have a cat I would like to sell you...

[Forge]

does it come with its own box?

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Who knows?

[Micky C]

Forge, on 04 February 2014 - 04:21 PM, said:

observed waves collapse and act like a particle and what one would expect a particle to behave like.

whenever there's multiple possible outcomes, they will all happen unless observed

the laws of physics and our universe would collapse/fly apart unless it was being observed

we are being watched

In fact I was watching a documentary the other day, and apparently it's possible according to quantum mechanics that back when the universe was started, the laws of physics were all quite loose, and because a set of laws which was favourable to intelligent life was a possible option, it may be the case that some beings, possibly our own descendants, reached back to the big bang and solidified the laws to what they are now, thus completing some temporal loop.

Really messes with your mind. What's the thing that quantum mechanics is based on? That there's only one electron in the entire universe but it exists in every atom in the universe in every point in time simultaneously? Or am I getting completely mixed up and making a fool of myself? (probably)

[Forge]

Comrade Major, on 04 February 2014 - 05:34 PM, said:

Who knows?

Schrodinger

Micky C, on 04 February 2014 - 05:35 PM, said:

In fact I was watching a documentary the other day, and apparently it's possible according to quantum mechanics that back when the universe was started, the laws of physics were all quite loose, and because a set of laws which was favourable to intelligent life was a possible option, it may be the case that some beings, possibly our own descendants, reached back to the big bang and solidified the laws to what they are now, thus completing some temporal loop.

Really messes with your mind. What's the thing that quantum mechanics is based on? That there's only one electron in the entire universe but it exists in every atom in the universe in every point in time simultaneously? Or am I getting completely mixed up and making a fool of myself? (probably)

Young's double-slit interferometer

an electron fired one at a time (to eliminate the possibility that it's being interfered with by other electrons) through a screen with two slots will create a scattered pattern - the particle acts like a wave

if a detector is placed over the two slots of the screen the pattern the electron changes for no other reason than it's being observed - the particle acts like a particle

[Micky C]

I also remember something about some particle of which we cannot know both the position and the velocity at the same time, probably because by observing it you change it like you said Forge.

Also has a kind of destiny implication because if you knew the position, velocity and acceleration of every particle in the universe at any instant, you should be able to calculate everything that's ever going to happen or ever has happened (assuming you had a powerful enough computer with a full working understanding of physics which we'll probably never have). So for the moment we hope that the future isn't fixed and things like our death haven't been predetermined...

[Lunick]

Less science, more funny

[Master Fibbles]

Commando Nukem, on 04 February 2014 - 04:52 PM, said:

Uh... Er. No?

Science, as a practice, predates Christianity by, ya know, at least a few minutes.

Let's play a game. You name the oldest university you know founded by an atheist and I'll name the oldest university founded by a Christian.

I'll save you the trouble, I win.

The Father of Genetics was an Augustinian Monk. Pretty much every bit of ancient science was preserved and passed on by monks in monasteries over the centuries after the German horde destroyed Rome. The Jesuit order has more universities and schools and has made more contributions to science and the world than secular humanism or atheism could claim.

Science as you know it, science as it is today, owes its existence to the Catholic Church and the centuries of work done in monasteries and universities.

[Forge]

Micky C, on 04 February 2014 - 05:57 PM, said:

I also remember something about some particle of which we cannot know both the position and the velocity at the same time, probably because by observing it you change it like you said Forge.

that's a photon: a particle of light. it has zero at rest mass and also falls under the dual wave-particle quantum laws of behavior.

The Real Slim Flibble, on 04 February 2014 - 06:48 PM, said:

Science as you know it, science as it is today, owes its existence to the Catholic Church and the centuries of work done in monasteries and universities.

a large portion of the scientific facilities (quantum, biological, astrological, etc., etc, etc.) are run by universities -ergo- ran by the church. there's quite a few that are ran directly by the church with members of their rank holding masters degrees & doctorates directly in charge of said facilities.

people still are under the impression that the church is trying to make everyone believe that the earth is flat and at the center of the universe. just like everyone else, they stopped believing that around 1550 when Copernicus finally relented and gave his book over to a church bishop to be published.

i can understand if you don't like religion because they believe in invisible boogie-men in the sky, but being under the impression that they're all out to suppress scientific knowledge is incredibly ignorant

[Kyanos]

by the powers of two we have been commanded to obey the law of nines

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Less science, more funny

sorry lunick, back to funny?

[Hendricks266]

Micky C, on 04 February 2014 - 05:57 PM, said:

I also remember something about some particle of which we cannot know both the position and the velocity at the same time, probably because by observing it you change it like you said Forge.

That's the layman phrasing of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, which states that the more accurately you measure the position of an electron, the less accurately you can know its velocity, and vice versa. That's more basic physics than the wave-slit experiment Forge posted.

[Kathy]

Micky C, on 04 February 2014 - 05:57 PM, said:

So for the moment we hope that the future isn't fixed and things like our death haven't been predetermined...

Does it matter if it's predetermined or not? Without knowing of the future there is no difference predetermined it is or not. But thanks for making me think that it really is predetermined in a way that it could be calculated.

[Micky C]

I suppose you're right.

Anyway I haven't done pure physics in over 2 years and even at the end of that we only really touched on this stuff.

[Fox]

I remember this one from when I was a kid

[Mark]

Micky C, on 04 February 2014 - 05:57 PM, said:

I also remember something about some particle of which we cannot know both the position and the velocity at the same time, probably because by observing it you change it like you said Forge.

I always pretend I'm not looking at the particle but I actually am looking at it out of the corner of my eye. That way I fool the particle and I CAN observe the velocity AND position at the same time. Its really rather simple.

[OpenMaw]

The Real Slim Flibble, on 04 February 2014 - 06:48 PM, said:

Let's play a game. You name the oldest university you know founded by an atheist and I'll name the oldest university founded by a Christian.

I'll save you the trouble, I win.

The Father of Genetics was an Augustinian Monk. Pretty much every bit of ancient science was preserved and passed on by monks in monasteries over the centuries after the German horde destroyed Rome. The Jesuit order has more universities and schools and has made more contributions to science and the world than secular humanism or atheism could claim.

Science as you know it, science as it is today, owes its existence to the Catholic Church and the centuries of work done in monasteries and universities.

You have a butt up your stick. A major butt up your stick.


Let's try this. The ENTIRE PANTHEON of classical civilization that predates the very EXISTENCE of Christianity. They were practicing science long before your desert God became so hip.

[X-Vector]

[Forge]

Fox, on 04 February 2014 - 08:17 PM, said:

I remember this one from when I was a kid

it's an optical illusion. the bottom one is bigger

Mark., on 04 February 2014 - 08:39 PM, said:

I always pretend I'm not looking at the particle but I actually am looking at it out of the corner of my eye. That way I fool the particle and I CAN observe the velocity AND position at the same time. Its really rather simple.

S.E.P.
and when that doesn't work, i throw myself at the ground and miss

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Forge, on 05 February 2014 - 05:42 AM, said:

S.E.P.
and when that doesn't work, i throw myself at the ground and miss

Ford: "Eddies in the timestream!"
Arthur: "And this is his couch?"

[Forge]

Commando Nukem, on 04 February 2014 - 09:25 PM, said:

Let's try this. The ENTIRE PANTHEON of classical civilization that predates the very EXISTENCE of Christianity. They were practicing science long before your desert God became so hip.

you're still not getting the point.
all that scientific knowledge prior to the collapse of the Roman empire was lost for centuries. Modern science is based off of what the Catholic church established and preserved during and after the "dark ages".
Just about every great mind during that time frame was influenced and encouraged by the church - Copernicus, da Vinci, Newton, etc., etc.

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Forge, on 05 February 2014 - 05:55 AM, said:

Just about every great mind during that time frame was influenced and encouraged by the church - Copernicus, da Vinci, Newton, etc., etc.

Conveniently left out Galileo.

[Forge]

Comrade Major, on 05 February 2014 - 05:59 AM, said:

Conveniently left out Galileo.

him and Kepler came after Coprenicus. I didn't leave him out intentionally.
Galileo's work was supported except his heliocentrism (at the time) theory - which was rejected by almost every other astronomer at the time and not just the church. Without proof of stellar parallax his theory was rejected scientifically as well as by the religious body of the time.

[Fox]

[The Commander]

I'm not seeing anything odd in the last two?