[Mr. Tibbs]

Fantastic stuff. Thanks Yatta!

[Hank]

Hey Yatta! I'm honored, thanks. I did not wait for fourteen years, but at the old 3D Realms forums and now at Gearbox, you can sense the passions of the fans, they deserve something. I'll get a cool game, they should get something as unique as they are.

cheers

[randir14]

Nice! I had almost forgotten about these questions, lol.

[DI-MeisterM]

Great questions, bad answers. Anyway, thanks for your effort Yatta.

[Buke]

The one question that I'm curious about is "Will there be co-op?"
I can only assume that the lack of any mention of it means a resounding "No".

[Mr.Deviance]

Oh wow, nice stuff they actually responded. I was almost certain they didn't care.
Nice answers but what still bothers me is how they keep saying mod tools are not included.
I will play dnf in it's vanilla form like eveybody but after that I want heavy Duke3Dification in lots of areas of the game and without mod tools that will not be achieved...

Buke, on 11 April 2011 - 09:25 PM, said:

The one question that I'm curious about is "Will there be co-op?"
I can only assume that the lack of any mention of it means a resounding "No".

Dude, duke nukem 3d was a relatively linear game that offered lots of different routes along the way but in the end just one route took you to the end of the level.
So I don't think we could call duke nukem 3d an open world game but more likely a linear game.
I am sure co-op would not go that well in a linear game such as that and if I'm correct, then DNF will also follow the same linear concept of DN3D.

[Psyrgery]

DI-MeisterM, on 11 April 2011 - 09:13 PM, said:

Great questions, bad answers. Anyway, thanks for your effort Yatta.

This.

No modding tools? Fuck them.

[themaniacboy]

Mr.Deviance, on 11 April 2011 - 09:42 PM, said:

Oh wow, nice stuff they actually responded. I was almost certain they didn't care.
Nice answers but what still bothers me is how they keep saying mod tools are not included.
I will play dnf in it's vanilla form like eveybody but after that I want heavy Duke3Dification in lots of areas of the game and without mod tools that will not be achieved...




Dude, duke nukem 3d was a relatively linear game that offered lots of different routes along the way but in the end just one route took you to the end of the level.
So I don't think we could call duke nukem 3d an open world game but more likely a linear game.
I am sure co-op would not go that well in a linear game such as that and if I'm correct, then DNF will also follow the same linear concept of DN3D.

Are you kidding me ?
Co-op was awesome in Duke 3D.
I loved it.

[Micky C]

Buke, on 11 April 2011 - 09:25 PM, said:

The one question that I'm curious about is "Will there be co-op?"
I can only assume that the lack of any mention of it means a resounding "No".

themaniacboy, on 12 April 2011 - 02:09 AM, said:

Are you kidding me ?
Co-op was awesome in Duke 3D.
I loved it.

We've known for quite a while that there wouldn't be co-op. George said it himself IIRC. They said that Duke's the centre of the universe and it wouldn't make sense having two centres of the universe. (Sounds like something Randy said but nevertheless there was never going to be co-op.)

[zwieback]

can we have one more complaint about not including modtools with the game?
anyone?

i say chances are skyrocket high that they will release modtools at a later point. just think reasonable. for once.

EDIT: what is that reputation system on the left? are the nazis back?

[X-Vector]

zwieback, on 12 April 2011 - 03:13 AM, said:

i say chances are skyrocket high that they will release modtools at a later point.

What makes you think so?

As for Tobey's answers, I would have liked her to be a bit more specific about their plans concerning the old assets; what's included in the art book, will there be video footage of previous builds?

[Sinisterambo]

I knew the old versions existed still. All this time and on the 3DR forums Joe said they no longer existed. Gearbox now have them and a planning a LameDuke Forever of some sort! XD

[X-Vector]

I wouldn't count on any playable builds being released at all.

[zwieback]

x-vector: i think gearbox will do everything in their power to asure that they can keep the community strong as they bought the ip and need to make a lot of money with the brand (also after dnf). Releasing DLC's and especially moddingtools are catalysators for a growing and happy duke supporting community.

For the earlier builds: i think it is possible that they will release some videos in form of a documentary of the earlier builds or something like that.

[X-Vector]

So where are the mod tools for Borderlands?

[LkMax]

Some questions were unnecessary... like "what is from 3D Realms and what is from Gearbox?", I already knew their answer.
That's sad I didn't asked when I had the opportunity if there will be more vehicles in the game. We only saw a monster truck all this time.

Mr.Deviance, on 11 April 2011 - 09:42 PM, said:

Dude, duke nukem 3d was a relatively linear game that offered lots of different routes along the way but in the end just one route took you to the end of the level.
So I don't think we could call duke nukem 3d an open world game but more likely a linear game.
I am sure co-op would not go that well in a linear game such as that and if I'm correct, then DNF will also follow the same linear concept of DN3D.

Of course it can be fun! I loved to play Sven Coop (Half-Life linear coop mod). Why wouldn't it work for duke?

Micky C, on 12 April 2011 - 02:55 AM, said:

We've known for quite a while that there wouldn't be co-op. George said it himself IIRC. They said that Duke's the centre of the universe and it wouldn't make sense having two centres of the universe. (Sounds like something Randy said but nevertheless there was never going to be co-op.)

So the players could play as EDF soldiers, right?
And who scores more points or whatever could earn the 'right' to play as Duke.

[OpenMaw]

zwieback, on 12 April 2011 - 03:13 AM, said:

can we have one more complaint about not including modtools with the game?
anyone?

Here it is. Another legitamite complaint. Gearbox is being run round by 2K Games, and Randy is trying to play damage control by offering a "maybe hopefully" option.

zwieback, on 12 April 2011 - 03:13 AM, said:

i say chances are skyrocket high that they will release modtools at a later point. just think reasonable. for once.

No offense intended, but that is very naive. Modern games, save for anything done by Valve, don't generally get the mod tools put out because it generates a form of competition for DLC. Why give the tools away for free when you can make excuses now and release it later as something people have to buy? If they were gonna give the tools to the community, they would not have their CM's giving excuses against it, and they wouldn't have to "think about" "consider" or say "we've done that in the past." They'd just say "Yeah, we're going to do that."


Anyway, I'm glad they finally got around to answering the questions. I was afraid they were just going to blow off their biggest community base for Duke Forever.

[zwieback]

yeah i agree - let us just be glad that they answered the questions (even they ignored the interesting parts of the questions)

[z0mb1e]

Glad to see we at least finally got our questions answered, even though not the way we wanted to hear for some of them. (No comment on dedicated servers, only 8 players for PC even, etc)

[themaniacboy]

Micky C, on 12 April 2011 - 02:55 AM, said:

We've known for quite a while that there wouldn't be co-op. George said it himself IIRC. They said that Duke's the centre of the universe and it wouldn't make sense having two centres of the universe. (Sounds like something Randy said but nevertheless there was never going to be co-op.)

I know, but did you read what mr. deviance said ?
He said that co-op doesn't go well in a linear game like Duke.
But i don't agree with him, co-op worked very well in Duke 3D and i know it.

[Hank]

zwieback, on 12 April 2011 - 03:13 AM, said:

can we have one more complaint about not including modtools with the game?
anyone?

i say chances are skyrocket high that they will release modtools at a later point. just think reasonable. for once.

EDIT: what is that reputation system on the left? are the nazis back?

No complains here. They (Randi) said this before, none now maybe some in future. Worse case scenario, we are stuck with Eduke32, Unity, Unreal etc. Ain't too bad from where I'm standing.

off-topic
Ratings are present in most forums, it's not Nazism is Communism, especially the red one's should give you the hint. So wash you mouth and mind, the collective can judge you.

[Person of Color]

themaniacboy, on 12 April 2011 - 11:51 AM, said:

I know, but did you read what mr. deviance said ?
He said that co-op doesn't go well in a linear game like Duke.
But i don't agree with him, co-op worked very well in Duke 3D and i know it.

Duke3D was very linear. What are you talking about?

[TerminX]

He's not saying Duke 3D wasn't linear, he's saying co-op worked well in it, which it did.

[Shawneth]

Been gone for a long time, but this is quite exciting. It's rare when a fan-made site gets so much recognition from a game company!

[LeoD]

oporix, on 12 April 2011 - 03:20 PM, said:

Been gone for a long time, but this is quite exciting. It's rare when a fan-made site gets so much recognition from a game company!

Besides inviting Yatta it feels the other way round IMO. They've completely ignored our mostly simple questions for a ridiculously long time.

[bullerbullerseven]

And what were those questions?

[Person of Color]

LeoD, on 12 April 2011 - 03:44 PM, said:

Besides inviting Yatta it feels the other way round IMO. They've completely ignored our mostly simple questions for a ridiculously long time.

I think they are doing an excellent job. How often do big name developers take questions from unofficial fan forums these days?

[Yatta]

Thanks for all your kind words, loovs!

[MrBlackCat]

Descent, on 12 April 2011 - 07:29 PM, said:

I think they are doing an excellent job. How often do big name developers take questions from unofficial fan forums these days?

This is a point I keep trying to make as well... 3D Realms never treated us like this in my opinion.
Maybe GearBox is a greed monster like "all companies", but I will go with Smart Greed over Dumb Greed any day.
To expand on what I mean by that...
I worked for "greedy bastard" as some often called him. Yep, he was very confident and most interpreted that as arrogance, he was also greedy. Loved money. The way he got "us" to work harder or motivate us was by taking very good care of us as employees. He was never abusive to the employees. He got us the tools, training, whatever we asked for... gave insurance, on and on. Positive reinforcements only.
He did not do one single thing for us because he liked us... he liked that we made him money. We were just like equipment to him really... and he took good care of his equipment. (us)

GearBox might be greedy too, but I like their greed a lot better than 3D Realms.

I think the line between arrogance and confidence got blurry with 3D Realms Management maybe around 2001... (W.I.D.) and GearBox who seems to be confident, not arrogant is here picking up the pieces... and putting them on the shelf as Duke Nukem Forever.

I am not knocking the team at 3D Realms as they were all just employees... and there is no such thing as a bad employee, for more than one day... cause after that, it is bad management.

MrBlackCat

[Micky C]

They also said the First Access Club is going to continue getting exclusive stuff even after DNF is released, so there's still a long while to go before we can properly judge how worthwhile the club is.