[Danukem]

Hank, on 19 September 2011 - 04:50 AM, said:

To render trillions of data bits is not possible in Real Time right now, it's that simple

I too find the whole thing to be very fishy, BUT in fairness to the "Unlimited Detail" guys, they never claimed that it could render trillions of data bits, only that it could render the amount of detail needed for the screen resolution.

[Jimmy]

Never believe a claim that is too good to be true. I can tell you exactly one reason these guys are full of shit and not to be trusted: Video games now are all about graphics. Good graphics sell games. You have not seen a single game sold with this because it's too intensive. If they could package this and put it on the shelf, they'd do it in a heartbeat. It'll be years before full on voxel-engines can be used without super-computers. Another thing that shows you that they are more nefarious than they put on is all about all these 'new' things they have 'done.' Even though voxels have been used for years in games. A few of the Delta Force games used them pretty heavily for creation of the environment, if I remember right.

[Plagman]

This is known tech, and arguably the future. Similar things are being done by a lot of different people following theory that has been researched during the past ten years. I don't see a breakthrough when looking at their stuff. However I do see them trying to sugarcoat it; if I had to guess they're just trying to bait an investor for some easy cash. Doesn't mean that what they're doing isn't advanced, but I'd bet this is going to end up like Offset Software (bought and/or sponsored by an investor, then slowly fade into nothingness).

[Hank]

... that shit is done, why did no one tell me?
sandbox for 2
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=PhXIkbaVaj8
sandbox for 3 - now
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=5OKB5cJS3Ec
and no fog at the distance, it gets rendered as polys with very slick tessellation technics.


Ignore my previous posts, I definitely got lot's to learn

+ the Sandbox editor has crashing issues, so it's like Build editor of 1998

[EARTH DEFENCE FORCES]

Captain Awesome, on 19 September 2011 - 07:40 PM, said:

You have not seen a single game sold with this because it's too intensive.

That is just pure speculation though, since none of us know just how intensive their engine is at rendering those graphics.

If the claims made about their tech being able to render only the amount of voxels required at one given moment are true,
then that would obviously cut the resources required to a fraction of what it would take to render every voxel at every possible angle.

My guess would be that it's too hard for graphics artists right now to adapt to this technology,
I'd imagine they would have to relearn pretty much everything to bring it to the same level thay have achieved with polygon graphics.

If they had a smart way of converting polygons to voxels in their own engine, it may help speed up the transition.

There are a lot of other things to consider also, like physics, and mechanics.
Have they even implemented physics in their engine? We have yet to see.

All the videos have boasted so far is rendering technology and nothing else.

Looks like they need to re-invent the wheel to me.

Captain Awesome, on 19 September 2011 - 07:40 PM, said:

Another thing that shows you that they are more nefarious than they put on is all about all these 'new' things they have 'done.' Even though voxels have been used for years in games.

To be honest,
i never once heard the narrator try to claim they are the first to implement 3D voxel technology in a video game.

They claim to be the first to have done it on this scale,
and claim they have an algorithm that allows them to achieve this with hardware that is not out of reach of the average PC gamer.

[EARTH DEFENCE FORCES]

The HardOCP site did a video interview with the CEO, Bruce Dell here:

http://www.hardocp.c...dell_interview/





He gives a demo of the engine on his Asus laptop, and allows the interviewer control the movement within the engine.

He also tackles some claims of the technology being a scam.

Haven't watched the full thing yet, but it seems more plausible so far.


There is also a text interview here on gamespy:

http://pc.gamespy.co.../1187338p1.html

[Tetsuo]

What I dislike is how he goes around dissing other technologies like tessellation like saying tessellation is "just using bumpy maps" (like we've been using in games for a number of years now already). He also always shows the worst examples from traditional games to support his claims. That's probably why a lot of people don't like them as he says.

[Hendricks266]

They also show footage from other games... not on the highest quality setting, but something close to the bottom.