[MusicallyInspired]

Joe Bryan Turner just locked all Duke Nukem subforums on the 3DR forums and posted this:

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Effective immediately, this forum is closed. It will remain open however for archival purposes, you can still read the msgs here.

No further threads or replies regarding Duke Nukem should be posted on the 3D Realms forums. For future Duke Nukem posts, you should visit the following link on the Gearbox forums:

http://gbxforums.gea....play.php?f=103

Please don't continue to post Duke Nukem related threads anywhere on the 3D Realms forums, they will be mercilessly deleted.

Additionally, no forum accounts from here will be carried over to Gearbox's forums. If you do not have an account over there, you will have to create one.

Thank you.

Bryan Turner
Apogee Software / 3D Realms Entertainment

http://forums.3dreal...ead.php?t=38127

Joe has been hired by Gearbox to be the new Duke Nukem Community Manager on the Gearbox forums.

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Welcome to the new home of Duke Nukem's forums.

I've now been hired by Gearbox to be the new "Duke Nukem Community Manager". You should recognize me from my previous gig.

http://gbxforums.gea...ad.php?t=109875

As far as I'm concerned, 3D Realms had this coming. At least Gearbox only finished off the game and built on what 3DR already did.

[canada4duke]

That clinches it!
This is why GB and 3DR was so quiet
This is why they were trimming negative threads a 3DR forums
The court case was settled - 3DR was either ordered to hand over the IP or take a purchase offer from Take2-Gearbox
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George Broussard - wins the biggest loser award!
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Well time to take 3Drealms, GB-twitter, Apogee off my news feeds, bookmarks
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Good riddance!
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[blackharted]

canada4duke, on Sep 3 2010, 09:32 AM, said:

That clinches it!
This is why GB and 3DR was so quiet
This is why they were trimming negative threads a 3DR forums
The court case was settled - 3DR was either ordered to hand over the IP or take a purchase offer from Take2-Gearbox
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George Broussard - wins the biggest loser award!
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Well time to take 3Drealms, GB-twitter, Apogee or my news feeds, bookmarks
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Good riddance!
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Fuck man, do this mean that 3DR has gone 100% or been brought out by Gearbox? If they just own the IP..... Oh God shit I can't believe this!

[canada4duke]

blackharted, on Sep 3 2010, 01:39 PM, said:

Fuck man, do this mean that 3DR has gone 100% or been brought out by Gearbox? If they just own the IP..... Oh God shit I can't believe this!

All duke related portions of the 3DR forums are closed - DNF, duke3d, Manhat proj, eduke - all of it
Total loss for 3DR

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1st order of business once anyone here gets a copy of DNF - make a mod - where we blow the living #%#$%@# out of the 3DR office

[kaisersoze]

Very bittersweet.

Anyways.... http://www.duke4.net...images/ref1.png

[canada4duke]

I just hope Yatta is able to get the OK to keep this site going.

[blackharted]

canada4duke, on Sep 3 2010, 11:01 AM, said:

I just hope Yatta is able to get the OK to keep this site going.

There's a chance he won't?

[canada4duke]

blackharted, on Sep 3 2010, 02:02 PM, said:

There's a chance he won't?

Ya, if gearbox wants to control all DNF media under the Gearbox/2K/Take 2 banner.
Typically companies don't squash the little guys.
But...
Figuring this is going to become the 'go to' place for old-Duke, eDuke, pre-gearbox DNF threads
What would you do if you were Gearbox, all that $$$ on the IP and now you have a PR monser on your hands.
Most managers will want total control, step1 3DR, step2 facebook/twitter/etc, step3 - ??? duke4.net?
They already had 3DR, GB, Scott and Joe gagged.
Even on launch day 'When its done' 3DR couldn't even update its website
GB couldn't even confirm it himself via twitter
John StJohn - could not comment
smells like media controlling management to me (super smells like Take2)
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[blackharted]

canada4duke, on Sep 3 2010, 11:11 AM, said:

Ya, if gearbox wants to control all DNF media under the Gearbox/2K/Take 2 banner.
Typically companies don't squash the little guys.
But...
Figuring this is going to become the 'go to' place for old-Duke, eDuke, pre-gearbox DNF threads
What would you do if you were Gearbox, all that $$$ on the IP and now you have a PR monser on your hands.
Most managers will want total control, step1 3DR, step2 facebook/twitter/etc, step3 - ??? duke4.net?
They already had 3DR, GB, Scott and Joe gagged.
Even on launch day 'When its done' 3DR couldn't even update its website
GB couldn't even confirm it himself via twitter
John StJohn - could not comment
smells like media controlling management to me (super smells like Take2)
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How do you know that? 3DR will still be able to update its own site right? right?

[ReaperMan]

I'm happy and sad at the same time.

[MusicallyInspired]

The little bit we've heard from the video before they left the screening room with the camera sounded like Duke Nukem but it didn't sound like Jon St John.....

[canada4duke]

blackharted, on Sep 3 2010, 02:19 PM, said:

How do you know that? 3DR will still be able to update its own site right? right?

I suspect anything pre-DNF can stay as is.
DNF page will end up a forwarder to gearbox site
anything Duke on 3DR site will end up static pages.
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Stick a fork in them they are done.

[Mr. Pink]

^^ +1.

imo, they would have already canned these forums, probably this am, if that was in the works.

[MusicallyInspired]

Duke Nukem Forever website is live. And 3D Realms' logo is on the bottom. Maybe they still own the rights? Or maybe they're just acknowledging all the work they put into it before passing it on.

http://dukenukemforever.com

N/M apparently all Duke Nukem related copyrighted material is licensed and trademarked to Gearbox Software now.

From the DukeNukemForever.com website:

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© 1999-2010 -- All rights reserved. Gearbox Software, LLC. Duke Nukem, the Duke Nukem nuclear symbol, Duke Nukem Forever, Gearbox Software and the Gearbox logo are registered trademarks of Gearbox Software, LLC in the U.S. and/or other countries and used here under license. All rights reserved. This Game is published and distributed by 2K Games, a subsidiary of Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. 2K Games, the 2K Games logo and Take-Two Interactive Software are all trademarks and/or registered trademarks of Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. The ratings icon is a trademark of the Entertainment Software Association. All other marks are property of their respective owners.

[Awesomebob]

canada4duke, on Sep 3 2010, 10:01 AM, said:

I just hope Yatta is able to get the OK to keep this site going.

I doubt they'll squash such a well maintained fansite.

[canada4duke]

They better keeps hands off of eduke and HRP

[canada4duke]

http://www.3drealms.com/index.html

Brian Turner updating 3drealms.com website
looks like they have control of the site now
here comes the conversion/trimming
hope you got your downloads!

Never noticed this before but, it appears Scott did cut the cord with GB and 3DR. Betting Scott made a deal to keep selling rights to this one Duke game and let 3DR and GB hang out to dry after GB burned through all that money ant time.
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http://www.apogeesoftware.com/support

Currently the only product that we will be providing technical support for is Duke Nukem: Critical Mass which is due to be released in the Fall of 2009

Apogee Software, LLC does not support any legacy products sold by Apogee Software, Ltd (dba 3D Realms). For support for these products, please visit http://www.3drealms.com/help
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I would stay tuned on the apogee site for any changes, we know now that the entire 3DR entity is toast.

[Danukem]

This is a fan site, it doesn't violate anyone's copyright. Neither does eduke, which is GPL. The HRP is a bit more complicated, but I see no reason for concern. I don't recall Id trying to shut down the legacy Doom community when Doom 3 came out.

[Master Fibbles]

The HRP had permission from 3DR, the then holder of the copyrights on Duke Nukem and various characters in the game, to reproduce those characters so long as they were used exclusively with the DUKE3D.GRP file from Duke Nukem 3D.
So, yes, it is complicated and it would be wise of us to inquire with Gearbox about rights to the HRP.

[MusicallyInspired]

The new Duke Nukem Facebook page was releasing Manhattan Project XBLA codes. Further evidence that 3DR are no longer involved.

[Jimmy]

This thread is full of idiots making assumptions about shit they know nothing about. Namely, you, Canada4Duke.

[MusicallyInspired]

You can safely make assumptions based on black and white fact:

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© 1999-2010 -- All rights reserved. Gearbox Software, LLC. Duke Nukem, the Duke Nukem nuclear symbol, Duke Nukem Forever, Gearbox Software and the Gearbox logo are registered trademarks of Gearbox Software, LLC in the U.S. and/or other countries and used here under license. All rights reserved. This Game is published and distributed by 2K Games, a subsidiary of Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. 2K Games, the 2K Games logo and Take-Two Interactive Software are all trademarks and/or registered trademarks of Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. The ratings icon is a trademark of the Entertainment Software Association. All other marks are property of their respective owners.

[Green]

Perhaps Gearbox has the rights to the Duke Nukem franchise for a limited period of time?
It'd only make sense with them developing Duke Begins and Duke Nukem Forever.
Another possibility could be that since Gearbox and 3D Realms have a close relationship Gearbox bought the Duke IP off 3D Realms and they have an arrangement for 3D Realms to buy it back once they get enough money from the sales of DNF to do so.

[Master Fibbles]

What makes you think that 3DR is getting any money from sales of DNF?

Face it, Gearbox owns Duke Nukem and 3DR is left with less but has money now to start up its publishing gig again.

[Green]

Considering 3D Realms created Duke Nukem and spent 13 or so years developing the game chances are they'll get money out of it.

[TerminX]

Mr.Flibble, on Sep 3 2010, 04:11 PM, said:

What makes you think that 3DR is getting any money from sales of DNF?

Face it, Gearbox owns Duke Nukem and 3DR is left with less but has money now to start up its publishing gig again.

Well, they're either going to get royalties from the sales, or the projected sales were factored into whatever was paid for the rights to the game. Either way, 3DR gets something for the sales of the game.

[Jimmy]

MusicallyInspired, on Sep 3 2010, 06:47 PM, said:

You can safely make assumptions based on black and white fact:

Merely speculation, until word comes from 3DR/Gearbox, it's all just speculation. Sure, it holds water, but you don't know whats behind the scenes. Regardless, I was talking more about people saying "SURELY THEY HAD TO GIVE UP THE IP IN COURT!!11one," or implying that Apogee was just created to fuck over George Broussard.

[ultra tree 85!]

I do think that it's sad that 3D Realms has lost such a large part of its identity, and I wish it hadn't come to that. However, Gearbox was founded by people who worked on Duke 3D at 3DR, and if there's any company that could do justice to the Duke property after 3D Realms, it's them. They've displayed a very strong sense of respect and passion for Duke as well. Brian Martel (one of the Gearbox co-founders who worked on Duke 3D and an early version of DNF) explained in an interview that they quickly took the initiative after the layoffs at 3DR, and even arranged to have some of the people who had been working on the game stay together to help them take DNF to completion. So, it's unfortunate to see 3D Realms lose their creation, but the bright side is that Duke is with people who are familiar with the property, and truly care about making it the best game it can be and finally getting it out to the shelves.

[VinsaneOne]

I have sort of a 'bitter-sweet' feeling about the news today. Feeling great about DNF being announced at PAX. In fact it gave me chills and goosebumps, even though I always knew we'd have the game at some point. But when I visited the forums at 3DRealms, I sank right down in my chair and felt really down. After all these years of watching and waiting at the door of Duke's home, I expected the greatest day in gaming history would be made there. Now, WID has a new meaning: Well It's Done! and it makes me sad to think that 3DRealms as well as its relation to DNF is done as well.

[ultra tree 85!]

VinsaneOne, on Sep 3 2010, 06:02 PM, said:

But when I visited the forums at 3DRealms, I sank right down in my chair and felt really down. After all these years of watching and waiting at the door of Duke's home, I expected the greatest day in gaming history would be made there.

I felt the same way, and it was stunning and disappointing to see that 3DR and Duke Nukem were being dissociated to that degree (not even being allowed to post about Duke on 3DR for some strange reason). But, the thing that really made me feel better was knowing that so many of the people who worked at 3DR are still developing the game.