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#1354 Posted 29 September 2019 - 03:49 AM
2001 Spanish game called Theta
This floor texture looks VERY familiar.
This floor texture looks VERY familiar.
#1355 Posted 11 October 2019 - 05:35 PM
Found it on ebay:
Don't remember seeing this cover art posted before. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Don't remember seeing this cover art posted before. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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#1356 Posted 30 October 2019 - 06:11 AM
There are a few clues that in Duke Nukem 64 the Freeway was planned to not be a secret level like Launch Facility in this version, but they changed it back later on during developmnt.
- The more obvious evidence is that the Nukebutton at the end of Freeway is not green
- The secret exit in Hotel Hell is missing the manhole under the Nukebutton
- Stadium doesn't start in the lifting platform, likely because it wouldn't be the level after Hotel Hell
What level would be found in the Hotel Hell secret is up to speculation. But Derelict can be seen in an old screenshot...
- The more obvious evidence is that the Nukebutton at the end of Freeway is not green
- The secret exit in Hotel Hell is missing the manhole under the Nukebutton
- Stadium doesn't start in the lifting platform, likely because it wouldn't be the level after Hotel Hell
What level would be found in the Hotel Hell secret is up to speculation. But Derelict can be seen in an old screenshot...
#1357 Posted 30 October 2019 - 11:41 PM
Fox, on 30 October 2019 - 06:11 AM, said:
There are a few clues that in Duke Nukem 64 the Freeway was planned to not be a secret level like Launch Facility in this version, but they changed it back later on during developmnt.
- The more obvious evidence is that the Nukebutton at the end of Freeway is not green
- The secret exit in Hotel Hell is missing the manhole under the Nukebutton
- Stadium doesn't start in the lifting platform, likely because it wouldn't be the level after Hotel Hell
What level would be found in the Hotel Hell secret is up to speculation. But Derelict can be seen in an old screenshot...
- The more obvious evidence is that the Nukebutton at the end of Freeway is not green
- The secret exit in Hotel Hell is missing the manhole under the Nukebutton
- Stadium doesn't start in the lifting platform, likely because it wouldn't be the level after Hotel Hell
What level would be found in the Hotel Hell secret is up to speculation. But Derelict can be seen in an old screenshot...
was the cycloid emperor map a cut level? Or a community user map?
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This post has been edited by Fox: 31 October 2019 - 12:57 AM
Reason for edit: Big images
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#1358 Posted 31 October 2019 - 01:22 AM
No idea.
The game box says there are 32 levels instead of the actual 30, but these numbers are definitely not reliable.
I suspect it's just a test map. Most time it is seen next to Hollywood Holocaust screenshots, plus that map doesn't seem fit for a boss fight.
Collection of images:
The game box says there are 32 levels instead of the actual 30, but these numbers are definitely not reliable.
I suspect it's just a test map. Most time it is seen next to Hollywood Holocaust screenshots, plus that map doesn't seem fit for a boss fight.
Collection of images:
#1359 Posted 31 October 2019 - 01:41 AM
It's funny that devs made these screenshots just for the magazines, while in reality the maps simply doesn't exist. Yet people have odd nostalgia for the maps that never were, being mesmerized by these images decades after game's release. I remember Gambini said that he was very dissapointed by the absence of police car in E1L1.
I have the odd nostaliga for Witchaven. I have it on a warez cd, and I remember my father played it a couple of times - I never actually played it myself until my late teens. When I was a kid the game seemed so cool and awesome to me, almost on par with Hexen and Heretic, which I actually played back then. Somehow the game's cover image become sort of childhood/nostalgia symbol to me - the image I always remembered. Oh well.
I have the odd nostaliga for Witchaven. I have it on a warez cd, and I remember my father played it a couple of times - I never actually played it myself until my late teens. When I was a kid the game seemed so cool and awesome to me, almost on par with Hexen and Heretic, which I actually played back then. Somehow the game's cover image become sort of childhood/nostalgia symbol to me - the image I always remembered. Oh well.
#1360 Posted 31 October 2019 - 02:35 AM
Fox, on 31 October 2019 - 01:22 AM, said:
No idea.
The game box says there are 32 levels instead of the actual 30, but these numbers are definitely not reliable.
I suspect it's just a test map. Most time it is seen next to Hollywood Holocaust screenshots, plus that map doesn't seem fit for a boss fight.
Collection of images:
The game box says there are 32 levels instead of the actual 30, but these numbers are definitely not reliable.
I suspect it's just a test map. Most time it is seen next to Hollywood Holocaust screenshots, plus that map doesn't seem fit for a boss fight.
Collection of images:
I see,
I would like to replicate this map to prove how it behaves with the boss, it must certainly be very challenging.
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#1361 Posted 31 October 2019 - 01:30 PM
The boss also seems smaller (1/2 of the size, based on the floor texture), and the real thing may not fit there...
#1362 Posted 05 December 2019 - 09:00 AM
Daedolon, on 16 November 2016 - 04:50 AM, said:
Here's everything extracted from the Duke Nukem Mobile game. I didn't realize it'd be this easy when I wanted to take a look at it.
Art included as .PCX with a few .TGA tiles. All audio .WAV except for the music as .XM.
Would be fun to reverse engineer the level file format, too (.xff). I'd love to see a re-creation in EDuke32.
Some examples of files included:
Art included as .PCX with a few .TGA tiles. All audio .WAV except for the music as .XM.
Would be fun to reverse engineer the level file format, too (.xff). I'd love to see a re-creation in EDuke32.
Some examples of files included:
Good works man!
Is there any way to have scripts for the new enemies of this mobile version? The textures are really interesting.
#1363 Posted 07 December 2019 - 03:06 PM
Darkus, on 16 November 2016 - 04:28 AM, said:
Good! Has anyone found the logo "Duke Nukem: Total Meltdown" written in Japanese, as in the trailer?
#1364 Posted 08 December 2019 - 10:40 AM
Firefly Trooper, on 07 December 2019 - 03:06 PM, said:
Good! Has anyone found the logo "Duke Nukem: Total Meltdown" written in Japanese, as in the trailer?
Only this
And CD covers
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#1365 Posted 23 December 2019 - 07:51 AM
Duke Nukem 64 is an atrocious bastardization of the original game that should have never been greenlit.
#1366 Posted 23 December 2019 - 09:09 AM
The Watchtower, on 23 December 2019 - 07:51 AM, said:
Duke Nukem 64 is the best console version of the game, while changing the game to adhere to Nintendo's policies at the time still does so in a way that makes it stand on its own.
FTFY
#1368 Posted 11 January 2020 - 11:13 AM
So, a little-known fact about the Apogee Sound System (the audio library used in ROTT and differing Build Engine games), is that it has audio recording capabilities.
These appear to be used for voice chat in multiplayer ROTT LAN sessions. If you see any DemandFeed-related code in the audio library (e.g., FX_StartDemandFeedPlayback), it seems to be used on the receiving side as follows: First, audio arrives from the network and is added to an internal playback buffer. The DemandFeed code is then used in order to play back the sound data from this buffer. This differs from playing a premade audio segment, say a WAV or VOC file.
The opposite is essentially done for sound which is recorded and then sent over LAN.
Now, as it turns out, the last version of VMware's desktop VM software has improved SB16 support. There might still be enough which is missing, but audio recording is, in fact, covered, at least partially. (I actually don't recall checking if this worked before the update, but it's still been a good chance.)
Other than VMware, and possibly also NTVDM for Windows XP, only other environments which I know to have working audio recording for SB-compatible DOS programs are actual DOS/Win9x setups with compatible sound cards.
As the following step, locating DOS software which supports audio recording with the SB *and* can do so under VMware turned out to be less than "simple".
While not letting me hear the recording as-is, I could at least see the reported volumes, using Cthugha: http://www.afn.org/~...a/archives.html
As for actually hearing whatever is recorded with a microphone: Eventually, I looked at the Apogee Sound System sources, which include the sound playback utility PS, and modified it into RAW PCM sound recorder, shortly named RS.
Source on GitLab: https://gitlab.com/NY00123/audiolib-rs
Last binary and source are currently available from my Duke4.net-hosted site: https://ny.duke4.net/files.html
These appear to be used for voice chat in multiplayer ROTT LAN sessions. If you see any DemandFeed-related code in the audio library (e.g., FX_StartDemandFeedPlayback), it seems to be used on the receiving side as follows: First, audio arrives from the network and is added to an internal playback buffer. The DemandFeed code is then used in order to play back the sound data from this buffer. This differs from playing a premade audio segment, say a WAV or VOC file.
The opposite is essentially done for sound which is recorded and then sent over LAN.
Now, as it turns out, the last version of VMware's desktop VM software has improved SB16 support. There might still be enough which is missing, but audio recording is, in fact, covered, at least partially. (I actually don't recall checking if this worked before the update, but it's still been a good chance.)
Other than VMware, and possibly also NTVDM for Windows XP, only other environments which I know to have working audio recording for SB-compatible DOS programs are actual DOS/Win9x setups with compatible sound cards.
As the following step, locating DOS software which supports audio recording with the SB *and* can do so under VMware turned out to be less than "simple".
While not letting me hear the recording as-is, I could at least see the reported volumes, using Cthugha: http://www.afn.org/~...a/archives.html
As for actually hearing whatever is recorded with a microphone: Eventually, I looked at the Apogee Sound System sources, which include the sound playback utility PS, and modified it into RAW PCM sound recorder, shortly named RS.
Source on GitLab: https://gitlab.com/NY00123/audiolib-rs
Last binary and source are currently available from my Duke4.net-hosted site: https://ny.duke4.net/files.html
This post has been edited by NY00123: 11 January 2020 - 11:40 AM
#1369 Posted 21 February 2020 - 11:55 PM
While browsing through archived versions of Bobby Prince's old site, I came across what seem to be a couple (very scant) unused alternate Duke line recordings. Don't get your hopes up!
Both sounds can be found on this page: https://web.archive..../frame_3dr.html
And this segues into my next interesting discovery on the site. Each image here links to a Duke-related piece of audio, and apart from the aforementioned Duke lines, we can see that Bobby linked to myrtle.mid which we know didn't actually end up in Duke 3D but rather only in Xenophage. But even better than that, the page provides a whole backstory for the track explaining how that all came to be! And there are even more backstories for most of the tracks he made pages for on his site!
With that in mind, I have collected all of the midi pages on Bobby's site that present historical backgrounds (sans the Doom ones which can already be found here and here):
Duke Nukem 3D
Duke Nukem 2
Wolfenstein 3D
Commander Keen
Other Apogee games
Other games
If you want to listen to the midis themselves, go here and either sort type by audio or add ".mid" as a filter.
And a lot of these tidbits are already fairly well known, but I also recommend checking out Bobby's Little Known Facts page.
- One is simply named "ooh.au": https://web.archive....80/sound/ooh.au
Unsurprisingly, it's Duke saying "Ooh!". Not that remarkable, unfortunately, but this is not the same "Ooh!" from him saying "Ooh, I needed that!" or "Ooh! That's gotta hurt!"
- The other is slightly more interesting, "letsrock1.au": https://web.archive....nd/letsrock1.au
It's Duke saying "Let's rock!" with a repeated echo. This is not the same "Let's rock!" used at the skill menu, and the seemingly peculiar echo seems like it was meant for the menu selection sound. You'll note that the filename here is letsrock1, while the line used in the game is LETSRK03, suggesting other takes we've never heard.
Both sounds can be found on this page: https://web.archive..../frame_3dr.html
And this segues into my next interesting discovery on the site. Each image here links to a Duke-related piece of audio, and apart from the aforementioned Duke lines, we can see that Bobby linked to myrtle.mid which we know didn't actually end up in Duke 3D but rather only in Xenophage. But even better than that, the page provides a whole backstory for the track explaining how that all came to be! And there are even more backstories for most of the tracks he made pages for on his site!
With that in mind, I have collected all of the midi pages on Bobby's site that present historical backgrounds (sans the Doom ones which can already be found here and here):
Duke Nukem 3D
Duke Nukem 2
Wolfenstein 3D
Commander Keen
Other Apogee games
- Bio Menace - circles.mid
- Cosmo's Cosmic Adventure - breakdown.mid
- Major Stryker - dizzy.mid
- Realms Of Chaos - badlands.mid
- Blake Stone: Planet Strike (the page says Aliens of Gold, but Bobby is wrong, that hack!) - fortress.mid
- Xenophage - fromhell.mid
- Rise of the Triad - hereboy.mid
Other games
- Pickle Wars - linda.mid
- Pickle Wars - kingdill.mid
- Terrace - joecool.mid
- Terrace - cogitating.mid
- Zorro - fiorini.mid
- Zorro - zorro.mid
- Black Knight - afterburner.mid
- Black Knight - starman.mid
If you want to listen to the midis themselves, go here and either sort type by audio or add ".mid" as a filter.
And a lot of these tidbits are already fairly well known, but I also recommend checking out Bobby's Little Known Facts page.
This post has been edited by Marphy Black: 21 February 2020 - 11:59 PM
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#1370 Posted 09 March 2020 - 07:33 AM
I found out that Lameduke has a suicide function that if you mess with FILE_ID.DIZ, the game.exe will erase itself when it fails integrity checks.
This file can't also be edited, unless you open D3D.EXE and find the text content embedded in the executable and modify it there also.
Based on compiled files the game also internal definitions for some sounds that do not exist, along with copter/elevator movement sounds but these are not correctly defined and some names are garbled. Despite renaming files, I was unable to get these play in-game.References to KSM also exist, so it's likely that the game+engine might still be able to play those back somehow. Actually not, no KSM. Wrong notes to another file.
This file can't also be edited, unless you open D3D.EXE and find the text content embedded in the executable and modify it there also.
Based on compiled files the game also internal definitions for some sounds that do not exist, along with copter/elevator movement sounds but these are not correctly defined and some names are garbled. Despite renaming files, I was unable to get these play in-game.
This post has been edited by oasiz: 09 March 2020 - 12:15 PM
Reason for edit: wrong exe file name
#1371 Posted 09 March 2020 - 07:38 AM
oasiz, on 09 March 2020 - 07:33 AM, said:
I found out that Lameduke has a suicide function that if you mess with FILE_ID.DIZ, the game.exe will erase itself when it fails integrity checks.
This file can't also be edited, unless you open GAME.EXE and find the text content embedded in the executable and modify it there also.
This file can't also be edited, unless you open GAME.EXE and find the text content embedded in the executable and modify it there also.
Didn't Blake Stone also do this?
#1372 Posted 13 March 2020 - 02:17 AM
Phredreeke, on 09 March 2020 - 07:38 AM, said:
Didn't Blake Stone also do this?
I also remember reading about this type of copy protection, maybe even for other Apogee games. The FILE_ID.DIZ of the registered version would say something like "This is the registered version, do not distribute, and notify sysop if found on a public FTP", and the game would not run if the text was altered or removed altogether. Actually a good way of preserving integrity of distributions and discouraging tampering, even if the game is not commercial.
#1373 Posted 15 March 2020 - 03:50 AM
MrFlibble, on 13 March 2020 - 02:17 AM, said:
I also remember reading about this type of copy protection, maybe even for other Apogee games. The FILE_ID.DIZ of the registered version would say something like "This is the registered version, do not distribute, and notify sysop if found on a public FTP", and the game would not run if the text was altered or removed altogether. Actually a good way of preserving integrity of distributions and discouraging tampering, even if the game is not commercial.
I'm quite sure Duke II did this. Interceptor broke the Steam version with one of their updates by "accidentally" removing the file_id.diz.
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#1374 Posted 18 March 2020 - 11:36 AM
Decided to do a video that kind of shows the build engine looking up/down in a nutshell for those who are curious.
#1375 Posted 13 April 2020 - 07:43 PM
Listen from 1:50 here on Mark Knight's Chaingun in My Hands (Total Meltdown E3M1, E4M7):
On a Japan PS1 demo disc, from 2:23:
Is it just a shared sound sample, or?
On a Japan PS1 demo disc, from 2:23:
Is it just a shared sound sample, or?
This post has been edited by nukemania: 13 April 2020 - 07:44 PM
#1378 Posted 18 April 2020 - 04:17 PM
In Warp Factor there's a bunch of porn mags in the really ready room. One is unique in that it has the palette set to 22 (not used elsewhere AFAIK) but the sector's palette overrides it.
In Life's a Beach's The Wavemistress there's a liztroop with the palette set to 10, but the sprite used by the expansion makes it hard to tell.
In Life's a Beach's The Wavemistress there's a liztroop with the palette set to 10, but the sprite used by the expansion makes it hard to tell.
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#1379 Posted 18 April 2020 - 04:35 PM
Odd palettes are quite common. The strangest one is the respawning Newbeasts with pal 14 at the end of Area 51.
#1380 Posted 18 April 2020 - 10:33 PM
Fox, on 18 April 2020 - 04:02 PM, said:
IMHO a bit too generic, probably something made up
Especially as the poster exists in LameDuke already but with different (alien) text. Still, Fright Night was hardly an obscure movie at the time, so who knows.
#1381 Posted 05 May 2020 - 12:23 PM
After seeing the threads 'running EDuke in 320x200' and 'how things have changed' I got the idea to see the differences between DOS and EDuke using 320x200; I taken screenshots of the start from E1L1 with DOS 1.3D, Atomic Edition and the recent EDuke32 and made an animated gif.
The only difference between 1.3D and 1.5 is just the slope texture being shifted to some pixels (I verified both map versions). In EDuke32, the slopes are being more 'wavy' than original version. There's more, see:
The only difference between 1.3D and 1.5 is just the slope texture being shifted to some pixels (I verified both map versions). In EDuke32, the slopes are being more 'wavy' than original version. There's more, see:
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#1382 Posted 05 May 2020 - 12:43 PM
Does anyone know why the viewing angle in EDuke32 is slightly shifted compared to DOS?
#1383 Posted 05 May 2020 - 01:00 PM
Darkus, on 05 May 2020 - 12:23 PM, said:
The only difference between 1.3D and 1.5 is just the slope texture being shifted to some pixels (I verified both map versions). In EDuke32, the slopes are being more 'wavy' than original version. There's more, see:
Interesting I had actually just recently noted that slope textures looked "wobbly" – especially noticeable when crouchwalking – but I assumed it had always looked like that and I just hadn't picked up on it.
